ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Very good chance MLSN will be merging/absorbing ECNL boys and GA girls.

On the contrary.

Very good chance ECNL will be absorbing MLSN2 boys and GA girls.

Agree. As a dad of a Q4 kid I believe it will be better for my kid's development and exposure ECNL rather than MLSN2.

"believe" being the operative word

If you don't "believe" the guy, then what exposure is his player getting in MLSN2 that is so great? They added so many clubs in that league this past year - 1/3 of them were not even playing in a regional league before - basically a punch of state premier and NAL clubs. without that MSLN badge on the sleeve you would laugh at any poster on here claiming their kid was getting exposure at state premier or NAL. So, if your saying that badge is worth that much, then explain why? I'm not seeing it - not at the MLSN2 level; especially with a split BY and SY for next season making MLSN2 a dead end for promotion.

How are ECNL coaches, coaching and development of players better than MLSN2?

How is the level of competition in ECNL better than MLSN2?

Most MLS2 is B team and we all know what level of B team is. You can call it MLS#, like you put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

ECNL is a B Team League behind MLS Next

People here keep putting layers of lipstick on that pig though

Obviously has no real knowledge about p2p MLS clubs. They are at best sthe ame as ECNL. Check the Surf College Cup last weekend: MLS teams are mostly at the bottom of each group, and some got beaten by RL teams.

In SURF College Cup 2011 age group for example there were ECNL teams and MLS AD teams (Academy division - MLS 2). No actual MLS Next HG (top division teams). In one half of the bracket the MLS2 teams prevailed, and on the other half the ECNL teams prevailed. Same thing with 2010. Big deal - these are not MLS Next 1 teams losing to ECNL. https://public.totalglobalsports.com/public/event/4014/standings/33985 AND https://public.totalglobalsports.com/public/event/4014/standings/33980

MLS Next HG lost to ECNL RL teams in Copa Rayados Internacional:https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/44447/schedules?group=387879

MLSN teams in Texas are not even close to ECNL teams. Texas and California, ECNL is king. We know boys playing on MLSN HG teams in Houston that couldn't even make an HTX RL team, but they're having fun! Enjoying playing soccer, developing as players. So really who cares? Personally I think playing on a MLSN HG team as opposed to an ECNL RL team and because of that missing ourt on the joy and camaraderie that is texas high school soccer is silly but to each other own!

The only thing thats laughable is the idea that MLS P2P clubs in Texas is somehow a better path to a professional academy. We see kids every year go from all kinds of teams into the professional academies, as well as get cut form those same academies and come back to ECNL teams. No age group change is going to change any of that.

Totally agree. My kid’s back up (ECNL RL) moved to MLSN HG recently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From US Club

Additional Note - Players “trapped down”

Due to the 8/1 cutoff for soccer and 9/1 school cutoff in California, many players with an August birthday will be eligible to play in the age group younger than most players of their school grade. This could put those players at the very disadvantage that the age group change was designed to avoid. The bright side, however, is that the solution to this problem is entirely in the hands of clubs.

Remember, US Club and NorCal place no restrictions on players playing in an older age group.
It is (and always has been) entirely up to clubs to decide if they want to:
Allow all players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team if they choose
Allow no players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team
Allow players that meet certain criteria to be primarily rostered to an older team
Possible solution:
Continue to have whatever rules and restrictions you currently have (or want to have) for players who want to play up into a different school grade.
Remove any restrictions for players playing up into their school grade.

Can someone provide a link to this updated information?

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Anonymous wrote:From US Club

Additional Note - Players “trapped down”

Due to the 8/1 cutoff for soccer and 9/1 school cutoff in California, many players with an August birthday will be eligible to play in the age group younger than most players of their school grade. This could put those players at the very disadvantage that the age group change was designed to avoid. The bright side, however, is that the solution to this problem is entirely in the hands of clubs.

Remember, US Club and NorCal place no restrictions on players playing in an older age group.
It is (and always has been) entirely up to clubs to decide if they want to:
Allow all players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team if they choose
Allow no players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team
Allow players that meet certain criteria to be primarily rostered to an older team
Possible solution:
Continue to have whatever rules and restrictions you currently have (or want to have) for players who want to play up into a different school grade.
Remove any restrictions for players playing up into their school grade.

Well this puts an end to the Aug kids will be forced up if trapped down argument. Where’d that guy at?

Seems pretty clear that if a player wants to get recruited in college they need to play on the team thats their grade in school.

Most the top elite performers play up.
Majority playing with and against kids in higher school grades

They get recruited to college

That says, your team age group is irrelevant to school grade with college recruiters

That’s just the most made up garbage ever. Yes some elite kids play up but most 97% of ECNL kids play their age group. The top ECNL girls club in my area which every team is top 25 nationally rarely has kids play up.

PP is referring to true elite players

Not ECNL players who thinks the E actually makes them Elite

I would argue that a top 15 nationally ranked team is full of elite youth players?
I guess it depends on the definition of elite? Most national team players also play their age group as well?

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Anonymous wrote:From US Club

Additional Note - Players “trapped down”

Due to the 8/1 cutoff for soccer and 9/1 school cutoff in California, many players with an August birthday will be eligible to play in the age group younger than most players of their school grade. This could put those players at the very disadvantage that the age group change was designed to avoid. The bright side, however, is that the solution to this problem is entirely in the hands of clubs.

Remember, US Club and NorCal place no restrictions on players playing in an older age group.
It is (and always has been) entirely up to clubs to decide if they want to:
Allow all players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team if they choose
Allow no players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team
Allow players that meet certain criteria to be primarily rostered to an older team
Possible solution:
Continue to have whatever rules and restrictions you currently have (or want to have) for players who want to play up into a different school grade.
Remove any restrictions for players playing up into their school grade.

Well this puts an end to the Aug kids will be forced up if trapped down argument. Where’d that guy at?

Seems pretty clear that if a player wants to get recruited in college they need to play on the team thats their grade in school.

Most the top elite performers play up.
Majority playing with and against kids in higher school grades

They get recruited to college

That says, your team age group is irrelevant to school grade with college recruiters

That’s just the most made up garbage ever. Yes some elite kids play up but most 97% of ECNL kids play their age group. The top ECNL girls club in my area which every team is top 25 nationally rarely has kids play up.

PP is referring to true elite players

Not ECNL players who thinks the E actually makes them Elite

I would argue that a top 15 nationally ranked team is full of elite youth players?
I guess it depends on the definition of elite? Most national team players also play their age group as well?

They are obviously talking about boys
Not girls

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Anonymous wrote:From US Club

Additional Note - Players “trapped down”

Due to the 8/1 cutoff for soccer and 9/1 school cutoff in California, many players with an August birthday will be eligible to play in the age group younger than most players of their school grade. This could put those players at the very disadvantage that the age group change was designed to avoid. The bright side, however, is that the solution to this problem is entirely in the hands of clubs.

Remember, US Club and NorCal place no restrictions on players playing in an older age group.
It is (and always has been) entirely up to clubs to decide if they want to:
Allow all players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team if they choose
Allow no players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team
Allow players that meet certain criteria to be primarily rostered to an older team
Possible solution:
Continue to have whatever rules and restrictions you currently have (or want to have) for players who want to play up into a different school grade.
Remove any restrictions for players playing up into their school grade.

Well this puts an end to the Aug kids will be forced up if trapped down argument. Where’d that guy at?

Seems pretty clear that if a player wants to get recruited in college they need to play on the team thats their grade in school.

Most the top elite performers play up.
Majority playing with and against kids in higher school grades

They get recruited to college

That says, your team age group is irrelevant to school grade with college recruiters

That’s just the most made up garbage ever. Yes some elite kids play up but most 97% of ECNL kids play their age group. The top ECNL girls club in my area which every team is top 25 nationally rarely has kids play up.

PP is referring to true elite players

Not ECNL players who thinks the E actually makes them Elite

I would argue that a top 15 nationally ranked team is full of elite youth players?
I guess it depends on the definition of elite? Most national team players also play their age group as well?

Your argument would be pretty ignorant

Most top teams mainly have 1 or 2 Elite players

Top winning teams have a compliment of several good (or early developers) players to go with the 1 or 2 elite

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From US Club

Additional Note - Players “trapped down”

Due to the 8/1 cutoff for soccer and 9/1 school cutoff in California, many players with an August birthday will be eligible to play in the age group younger than most players of their school grade. This could put those players at the very disadvantage that the age group change was designed to avoid. The bright side, however, is that the solution to this problem is entirely in the hands of clubs.

Remember, US Club and NorCal place no restrictions on players playing in an older age group.
It is (and always has been) entirely up to clubs to decide if they want to:
Allow all players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team if they choose
Allow no players to be selected and primarily rostered to an older team
Allow players that meet certain criteria to be primarily rostered to an older team
Possible solution:
Continue to have whatever rules and restrictions you currently have (or want to have) for players who want to play up into a different school grade.
Remove any restrictions for players playing up into their school grade.

Well this puts an end to the Aug kids will be forced up if trapped down argument. Where’d that guy at?

Remember the guy who said soccer in the United States would be destroyed if there were two different registration years?

Well, it's happening. Must be tough being him now.

[Anonymous]

I just realized that homegrown is waaay longer distance travel than academy. That makes it easier. I don’t care how good my kid is, at 12 or 13 , even 15, that amount of travel is effing nuts. P2P really is a cluster. Our country is so big yes but the bulk of the season should be very regional to find the best teams in that area. What a scam this all is.

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Anonymous wrote:I just realized that homegrown is waaay longer distance travel than academy. That makes it easier. I don’t care how good my kid is, at 12 or 13 , even 15, that amount of travel is effing nuts. P2P really is a cluster. Our country is so big yes but the bulk of the season should be very regional to find the best teams in that area. What a scam this all is.

I thought they traveled to the same clubs but played different teams

[Anonymous]

Some clubs are the same, but some are not even neighboring states

[Anonymous]

How does the travel compare between MLSN1, MLSN2, and ECNL?

[Anonymous]

Rumors that MLS Next Academy won’t allow to play 1 year up by 2026/27.

Any news about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just realized that homegrown is waaay longer distance travel than academy. That makes it easier. I don’t care how good my kid is, at 12 or 13 , even 15, that amount of travel is effing nuts. P2P really is a cluster. Our country is so big yes but the bulk of the season should be very regional to find the best teams in that area. What a scam this all is.

My kid recently spent some time training and playing in friendlies against regional Catalan teams, including one that plays in the same group as Barcelona A team for his age.

95%+ of the matches those teams play are within the region. They compete in national and international tournaments, but those are the exception rather than the rule.

When a kid needs to travel from Houston to Denver to play a league match… that’s when you know insanity has hit an all time high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rumors that MLS Next Academy won’t allow to play 1 year up by 2026/27.

Any news about it?

One token game a year, no difference. We will switch to ECNL, so as not to miss HS soccer. It is so much fun for my older.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rumors that MLS Next Academy won’t allow to play 1 year up by 2026/27.

Wait what! So at u13 aug+ birthdays are forced to make mlsn1 or forced to repeat pre-Mlsn? They can’t play up on u13 homegrown? Or is that u14 HG? This is all so confusing!!!

Any news about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rumors that MLS Next Academy won’t allow to play 1 year up by 2026/27.

Any news about it?

Wait what! So at u13 aug+ birthdays are forced to make mlsn1 or forced to repeat pre-Mlsn? They can’t play up on u13 homegrown? Or is that u14 HG? This is all so confusing!!!