Lochte Robbery Story: True or False

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to Teaching Rednecks the Law and Basic Common Decency! Today's guest believes that every time a foreigner points a gun at him it is robbery. Listen closely as our host explains over and over again why this is wrong.

Partly depends on how much money changes hands, now, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Armed robbery would be someone who did not belong on the premises walking up with a gun demanding cash while they were doing who knows what out back of that gas station. They had no business being there as long as they were simply to use the restroom. They made no purchases while there.

This is a security guard who belonged on the premises asking for payment for damages .. Now how much this payment should have been is up for discussion and borders on extortion. But it ain't armed robbery. Stores stop shoplifters on a regular basis and demand that they wait for cops to arrive, do not leave the premises with stolen merchandise, etc... Again, even if it's an armed guard stopping you at Kohls and demanding you pay for what you were stealing, it is not armed robbery.

So if you stray off the sideway onto my grass I can pull a gun on you and demand money without it being an armed robbery, simple because I belong here and you don't? That doesn't make any sense.

If I damaged your property in my straying from the path, it isn't robbery if you are pulling a gun demanding payment for damages. You aren't demanding money for shits and giggles but for damages, get the difference?

You don't seem to understand what robbery is. What you are describing is a robbery. Do you not get that having a justification doesn't make it not a robbery?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No way was this an "armed robbery" and the swimmers were not in the right at any point.

Nowhere in America can you to a bar or convenience store, cause damage and then demand to be allowed to leave without making restitution or waiting for the police.

No where in America can an owner demand restitution with a gun.

*certain exceptions made in Florida.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to Teaching Rednecks the Law and Basic Common Decency! Today's guest believes that every time a foreigner points a gun at him it is robbery. Listen closely as our host explains over and over again why this is wrong.

Lol wow you are slow. No one said that. Pointing a gun at someone and telling them to leave? Not a robbery. Demanding money at gun point? Always a robbery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to Teaching Rednecks the Law and Basic Common Decency! Today's guest believes that every time a foreigner points a gun at him it is robbery. Listen closely as our host explains over and over again why this is wrong.

Partly depends on how much money changes hands, now, doesn't it?

If you keep this up we'll have to put you in restraints like last time, remember?

[Anonymous]

*all law and common decency suspended in the state of Florida

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to Teaching Rednecks the Law and Basic Common Decency! Today's guest believes that every time a foreigner points a gun at him it is robbery. Listen closely as our host explains over and over again why this is wrong.

Lol wow you are slow. No one said that. Pointing a gun at someone and telling them to leave? Not a robbery. Demanding money at gun point? Always a robbery.

Please tell us about your experience in the legal system....OF BRASIL. Because it is a different country and when foreigners are there, even big dopey swimming ones, it is relate to what the Brazilian legal system has to say, not you. And as an aside, even if the security guard is in huge legal trouble it in no way takes away from the precipitating buffoonery.

[Anonymous]

FWIW, I agree with the posters who are saying that while they did do something stupid and wrong in vandalizing the bathrooom, it was equally stupid and wrong for the security guard to point a gun at them and demand money.

Supposedly the security guard had called the police (which I don't believe)....if they had, why not just hold the guys there until the police arrived? Instead, the guard forced them to pay for the damages and let them go before the police got there. That doesn't make any sense!


It makes no sense in America. It makes perfect sense in Brazil and in most other places in the developing world. Clearly you -- and these swim bros -- don't leave the country often and when you do, you make sure you don't stray too far from high end resorts or American hotel chains.

+1000 Think of it as security guards who are deputized. That's how it works when you are in a crime ridden third world country. They cannot wait for the police for every little thing (and they get pretty sick of every little thing) and they would not be able to run a business without this kind of security operation. There are many countries where every single business has an armed guard (or two). Yeah, it's a bit scary, but only for those people who are up to no good. We are seeing more of this in the United States (Florida) as well.

Some Americans might think this is a robbery, but most likely only those who have never ventured very far. In most of the world this is "stand your ground". This is the response when you cannot depend on others for your security. It works in high crime areas where people cannot trust the police.

[Anonymous]

There is literally zero evidence that they demanded money--why do you keep repeating that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to Teaching Rednecks the Law and Basic Common Decency! Today's guest believes that every time a foreigner points a gun at him it is robbery. Listen closely as our host explains over and over again why this is wrong.

Lol wow you are slow. No one said that. Pointing a gun at someone and telling them to leave? Not a robbery. Demanding money at gun point? Always a robbery.

Please tell us about your experience in the legal system....OF BRASIL. Because it is a different country and when foreigners are there, even big dopey swimming ones, it is relate to what the Brazilian legal system has to say, not you. And as an aside, even if the security guard is in huge legal trouble it in no way takes away from the precipitating buffoonery.

Even in Brazil, pointing guns at tourists is a bit of a no-no. And it looks a bit extortion-y.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is literally zero evidence that they demanded money--why do you keep repeating that?

The Brazilian police confirmed that the security guard insisted they pay for the damages. The guys did give him money and were allowed to leave after they gave the cash.

I find it very interesting that they supposedly called the police but didn't hold the guys there until the police arrived - this says a lot about how not on the level the security guard's behavior was....

[Anonymous]

They pulled guns on them to detain them, yes. Lochte offered the guards money $50 to be let go and they took it. No proof that anyone demanded money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is literally zero evidence that they demanded money--why do you keep repeating that?

The Brazilian police confirmed that the security guard insisted they pay for the damages. The guys did give him money and were allowed to leave after they gave the cash.

I find it very interesting that they supposedly called the police but didn't hold the guys there until the police arrived - this says a lot about how not on the level the security guard's behavior was....

*sigh*

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to Teaching Rednecks the Law and Basic Common Decency! Today's guest believes that every time a foreigner points a gun at him it is robbery. Listen closely as our host explains over and over again why this is wrong.

Lol wow you are slow. No one said that. Pointing a gun at someone and telling them to leave? Not a robbery. Demanding money at gun point? Always a robbery.

Please tell us about your experience in the legal system....OF BRASIL. Because it is a different country and when foreigners are there, even big dopey swimming ones, it is relate to what the Brazilian legal system has to say, not you. And as an aside, even if the security guard is in huge legal trouble it in no way takes away from the precipitating buffoonery.

Even in Brazil, pointing guns at tourists is a bit of a no-no. And it looks a bit extortion-y.

Tourist warranty null and void once they started running amok in the men's room. I have an idea-lets imagine what would happen if the Kenyan runners spoke no English, got super drunk and ripped the bathroom door off at the local Panera in the US. Do you think we'd laugh off their tourist hijinks with them. I don't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to Teaching Rednecks the Law and Basic Common Decency! Today's guest believes that every time a foreigner points a gun at him it is robbery. Listen closely as our host explains over and over again why this is wrong.

Lol wow you are slow. No one said that. Pointing a gun at someone and telling them to leave? Not a robbery. Demanding money at gun point? Always a robbery.

Please tell us about your experience in the legal system....OF BRASIL. Because it is a different country and when foreigners are there, even big dopey swimming ones, it is relate to what the Brazilian legal system has to say, not you. And as an aside, even if the security guard is in huge legal trouble it in no way takes away from the precipitating buffoonery.

Even in Brazil, pointing guns at tourists is a bit of a no-no. And it looks a bit extortion-y.

Tourist warranty null and void once they started running amok in the men's room. I have an idea-lets imagine what would happen if the Kenyan runners spoke no English, got super drunk and ripped the bathroom door off at the local Panera in the US. Do you think we'd laugh off their tourist hijinks with them. I don't.

In this country? We'd bill them, not extort payment at gunpoint.in Brazil, shakedowns are extremely common, so the authorities aren't going to get too excited about it. And, as we all can see, the authorities didn't get too excited about the shakedown, beyond wanting their own payment.