What do you *REALLY* think of Atheists?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a number of relatives on my side and in-laws on my husband's side, plus colleagues and friends who are religious (Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, mostly). Sometimes we talk about religion and I'm comfortable saying that I am Atheist, sometimes I'm not comfortable so I talk about them but don't share my view (I never share with work colleagues).

If you consider yourself religious, what do you think of Atheists? My father-in-law won't say it but I'm pretty sure he thinks I worship the Devil and I know he thinks I'm going to hell. There is more to this story but it sometimes gets me thinking that those who practice their faith openly may have some strong opinions they're not saying.

Hoping for some honest replies but if you feel inclined to tell me how wrong my choice is I promise you I've already heard it so I probably won't read more than the first few words of what you post. I respect others' choices and just want the same.

An atheist who tries to engage colleagues in religious conversations? I think I know you. Your coworkers also don't invite you to lunch, but it's not because you're an atheist.

dp- people don’t care for atheists, but it’s not because they are atheists.

It’s their personality.

People don’t avoid engaging other people because of their religious beliefs or because they are atheists or vegans or crossfitters or whatever…it’s that the person behind the belief is insufferable or hard to relate to on a level that’s needed to have actual connection.

It’s humorous to me that atheists stomp about this thread claiming they are silenced and the man (Christian) is keeping them down because they are atheists. Haha, no- you don’t have personal-people skills and are extremely off-putting. People as a whole don’t engage with you because your personality is insufferable.

I don’t worry about atheists or atheism because who with any choice would choose to hang out with people who don’t have degrees but claim to know more than scholars and academics, to talk about gish galloping and strawmen and Santa and God are twin flames and
the stuff repeated here 24/7/365? NOBODY.

Let the atheists “have” the dcum religion forum and enjoy it. It’s their life, so they better enjoy it.

I know insufferable religious people who are insular, sometimes a few friends or family members tolerate them- atheists can be the flip side of that coin.

Except the atheists misconstrue their social situation as “I am an atheist. I know the truth and these sheeple won’t listen! These ignorant idiots idiotically believe a Sky daddy gave them a book and if they are good they get to go to heaven, what a steaming load.”

I am shocked atheists can’t see this.

LOL. Speaking of insufferable.

I hate to break it to you, but no one here gives AF what you believe. We enjoy discussing/debating various topics. If you feel personally offended by discussion, then these are not the threads for you. You can go copy & paste irrelevant blog posts somewhere else.

The moderator even said this thread blows.

Actually he said:
"The bottom line is that if you enjoy debates between atheists and those who are religious, you will enjoy this thread. For the rest of us, this is one that can be skipped."

Ha Ha Ha

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Anonymous wrote:With all the biblical stories for which they find evidence,wonder how they cannot deny the existence of God.

The Bible discusses the Judeo-Christian God. Are you implying that other religions can/should be denied?

Can we not use "Judeo-Christian" please? It's not a thing.

Isn't it?

What do you call the god who is in the old and the new testament?

"Judeo-Christian" assumes a lot more shared theology than there really is between Judaism and Christianity. Christians deciding to base their religion on the Tanakh doesn't mean that Jewish and Christian interpretations of those texts align or could really be coherently joined together into a "Judeo-Christian" worldview.

Not to me it doesn't. It simply means they acknowledge the same God - Jehovah. Lots of evangelical Christians read the "Old Testament" very literally.

You can't read the Tanakh "very literally" and also read Jesus into it.

Who said anything about reading Jesus into it? Think Noah's ark and Jonah and the Whale, etc.

Maybe you didn't realize that the Catholic Church has a reading from the Old Testament in every mass. It's called The Epistle. The reading from the New Testament is called The Gospel.

I have Catholic and Lutheran grandparents, so, yes, I'm familiar with the OT and Gospel readings at those services.
Christians see signs of Jesus in the Old Testament. They point to lines from the prophets and use Greek mistranslations of Hebrew and then say Jesus fulfilled all the signs of Messiah. A reading from the Old Testament doesn't mean they are reading it the way Jews read it.

You're speaking very generally about what Christians do. Maybe some of them do these things. Most Christians I know don't talk or care much about the OT.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a number of relatives on my side and in-laws on my husband's side, plus colleagues and friends who are religious (Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, mostly). Sometimes we talk about religion and I'm comfortable saying that I am Atheist, sometimes I'm not comfortable so I talk about them but don't share my view (I never share with work colleagues).

If you consider yourself religious, what do you think of Atheists? My father-in-law won't say it but I'm pretty sure he thinks I worship the Devil and I know he thinks I'm going to hell. There is more to this story but it sometimes gets me thinking that those who practice their faith openly may have some strong opinions they're not saying.

Hoping for some honest replies but if you feel inclined to tell me how wrong my choice is I promise you I've already heard it so I probably won't read more than the first few words of what you post. I respect others' choices and just want the same.

An atheist who tries to engage colleagues in religious conversations? I think I know you. Your coworkers also don't invite you to lunch, but it's not because you're an atheist.

dp- people don’t care for atheists, but it’s not because they are atheists.

It’s their personality.

People don’t avoid engaging other people because of their religious beliefs or because they are atheists or vegans or crossfitters or whatever…it’s that the person behind the belief is insufferable or hard to relate to on a level that’s needed to have actual connection.

It’s humorous to me that atheists stomp about this thread claiming they are silenced and the man (Christian) is keeping them down because they are atheists. Haha, no- you don’t have personal-people skills and are extremely off-putting. People as a whole don’t engage with you because your personality is insufferable.

I don’t worry about atheists or atheism because who with any choice would choose to hang out with people who don’t have degrees but claim to know more than scholars and academics, to talk about gish galloping and strawmen and Santa and God are twin flames and
the stuff repeated here 24/7/365? NOBODY.

Let the atheists “have” the dcum religion forum and enjoy it. It’s their life, so they better enjoy it.

I know insufferable religious people who are insular, sometimes a few friends or family members tolerate them- atheists can be the flip side of that coin.

Except the atheists misconstrue their social situation as “I am an atheist. I know the truth and these sheeple won’t listen! These ignorant idiots idiotically believe a Sky daddy gave them a book and if they are good they get to go to heaven, what a steaming load.”

I am shocked atheists can’t see this.

LOL. Speaking of insufferable.

I hate to break it to you, but no one here gives AF what you believe. We enjoy discussing/debating various topics. If you feel personally offended by discussion, then these are not the threads for you. You can go copy & paste irrelevant blog posts somewhere else.

The moderator even said this thread blows.

Actually he said:
"The bottom line is that if you enjoy debates between atheists and those who are religious, you will enjoy this thread. For the rest of us, this is one that can be skipped."

The moderator also said this:
"Members of both groups involve themselves in threads in which they really are not welcome and have no beneficial role to play. This thread itself is an example of a thread in which atheists really have nothing to offer and probably should just skip the thread. After all the original poster requested answers from religious people."

[Anonymous]

Alrighty. OP here one last time. It seems like any portion of this conversation that addressed my original question has run its course so those still engaged are welcome to carry on but I’m going to bow out from here.

Thanks to those who offered constructive and honest replies. I appreciate the insight.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a number of relatives on my side and in-laws on my husband's side, plus colleagues and friends who are religious (Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, mostly). Sometimes we talk about religion and I'm comfortable saying that I am Atheist, sometimes I'm not comfortable so I talk about them but don't share my view (I never share with work colleagues).

If you consider yourself religious, what do you think of Atheists? My father-in-law won't say it but I'm pretty sure he thinks I worship the Devil and I know he thinks I'm going to hell. There is more to this story but it sometimes gets me thinking that those who practice their faith openly may have some strong opinions they're not saying.

Hoping for some honest replies but if you feel inclined to tell me how wrong my choice is I promise you I've already heard it so I probably won't read more than the first few words of what you post. I respect others' choices and just want the same.

An atheist who tries to engage colleagues in religious conversations? I think I know you. Your coworkers also don't invite you to lunch, but it's not because you're an atheist.

dp- people don’t care for atheists, but it’s not because they are atheists.

It’s their personality.

People don’t avoid engaging other people because of their religious beliefs or because they are atheists or vegans or crossfitters or whatever…it’s that the person behind the belief is insufferable or hard to relate to on a level that’s needed to have actual connection.

It’s humorous to me that atheists stomp about this thread claiming they are silenced and the man (Christian) is keeping them down because they are atheists. Haha, no- you don’t have personal-people skills and are extremely off-putting. People as a whole don’t engage with you because your personality is insufferable.

I don’t worry about atheists or atheism because who with any choice would choose to hang out with people who don’t have degrees but claim to know more than scholars and academics, to talk about gish galloping and strawmen and Santa and God are twin flames and
the stuff repeated here 24/7/365? NOBODY.

Let the atheists “have” the dcum religion forum and enjoy it. It’s their life, so they better enjoy it.

I know insufferable religious people who are insular, sometimes a few friends or family members tolerate them- atheists can be the flip side of that coin.

Except the atheists misconstrue their social situation as “I am an atheist. I know the truth and these sheeple won’t listen! These ignorant idiots idiotically believe a Sky daddy gave them a book and if they are good they get to go to heaven, what a steaming load.”

I am shocked atheists can’t see this.

LOL. Speaking of insufferable.

I hate to break it to you, but no one here gives AF what you believe. We enjoy discussing/debating various topics. If you feel personally offended by discussion, then these are not the threads for you. You can go copy & paste irrelevant blog posts somewhere else.

The moderator even said this thread blows.

Actually he said:
"The bottom line is that if you enjoy debates between atheists and those who are religious, you will enjoy this thread. For the rest of us, this is one that can be skipped."

The moderator also said this:
"Members of both groups involve themselves in threads in which they really are not welcome and have no beneficial role to play. This thread itself is an example of a thread in which atheists really have nothing to offer and probably should just skip the thread. After all the original poster requested answers from religious people."

After pp posted this, op left the thread.

My question is: why have atheist folks involved themselves in this thread, when op specifically asked for comments from non-atheists?

Did op just create a thread to facilitate (for lack of a better term but also accurate) fighting between atheists and religious people?

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I think they are close minded.
I wasn't raised in a particular religion, and would consider myself "spiritual," So I don't have a dog in this fight.
Agnostic is totally fine.
But to be convinced that there isn't something just because you can't prove it exists seems dumb

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Anonymous wrote:I have a number of relatives on my side and in-laws on my husband's side, plus colleagues and friends who are religious (Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, mostly). Sometimes we talk about religion and I'm comfortable saying that I am Atheist, sometimes I'm not comfortable so I talk about them but don't share my view (I never share with work colleagues).

If you consider yourself religious, what do you think of Atheists? My father-in-law won't say it but I'm pretty sure he thinks I worship the Devil and I know he thinks I'm going to hell. There is more to this story but it sometimes gets me thinking that those who practice their faith openly may have some strong opinions they're not saying.

Hoping for some honest replies but if you feel inclined to tell me how wrong my choice is I promise you I've already heard it so I probably won't read more than the first few words of what you post. I respect others' choices and just want the same.

An atheist who tries to engage colleagues in religious conversations? I think I know you. Your coworkers also don't invite you to lunch, but it's not because you're an atheist.

dp- people don’t care for atheists, but it’s not because they are atheists.

It’s their personality.

People don’t avoid engaging other people because of their religious beliefs or because they are atheists or vegans or crossfitters or whatever…it’s that the person behind the belief is insufferable or hard to relate to on a level that’s needed to have actual connection.

It’s humorous to me that atheists stomp about this thread claiming they are silenced and the man (Christian) is keeping them down because they are atheists. Haha, no- you don’t have personal-people skills and are extremely off-putting. People as a whole don’t engage with you because your personality is insufferable.

I don’t worry about atheists or atheism because who with any choice would choose to hang out with people who don’t have degrees but claim to know more than scholars and academics, to talk about gish galloping and strawmen and Santa and God are twin flames and
the stuff repeated here 24/7/365? NOBODY.

Let the atheists “have” the dcum religion forum and enjoy it. It’s their life, so they better enjoy it.

I know insufferable religious people who are insular, sometimes a few friends or family members tolerate them- atheists can be the flip side of that coin.

Except the atheists misconstrue their social situation as “I am an atheist. I know the truth and these sheeple won’t listen! These ignorant idiots idiotically believe a Sky daddy gave them a book and if they are good they get to go to heaven, what a steaming load.”

I am shocked atheists can’t see this.

LOL. Speaking of insufferable.

I hate to break it to you, but no one here gives AF what you believe. We enjoy discussing/debating various topics. If you feel personally offended by discussion, then these are not the threads for you. You can go copy & paste irrelevant blog posts somewhere else.

The moderator even said this thread blows.

Actually he said:
"The bottom line is that if you enjoy debates between atheists and those who are religious, you will enjoy this thread. For the rest of us, this is one that can be skipped."

The moderator also said this:
"Members of both groups involve themselves in threads in which they really are not welcome and have no beneficial role to play. This thread itself is an example of a thread in which atheists really have nothing to offer and probably should just skip the thread. After all the original poster requested answers from religious people."

After pp posted this, op left the thread.

My question is: why have atheist folks involved themselves in this thread, when op specifically asked for comments from non-atheists?

Did op just create a thread to facilitate (for lack of a better term but also accurate) fighting between atheists and religious people?

I'm the pp who posted the moderator's recommendation that atheists stay away, and I really don't think so. As you say, OP specifically asked for comments from non-atheists.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really have a general opinion of atheists beyond thinking they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe. Some are good people, some aren't, some have well developed intellectual underpinnings for their beliefs, some don't. All groups are like that though.

What basic facts about the universe do you think that atheists are wrong about?

Whether God exists. Whether God became man in the person of Jesus Christ. That kind of thing.

Again, these are not facts. They are beliefs. In fact they are set out in the creed as such: "I believe in God, etc..."

You're splitting hairs in the dumbest possible way. Atheists and I have different beliefs about the answers to certain questions, like does God exist, and I think their beliefs are untrue. That's what I was saying.

....so you don't know the difference between creed, belief, and fact?

Atheists BELIEVE God doesn't exist; religious folks BELEIEVE God does exist - both are beliefs, neither are facts. God has not been made into a Thermodynamic or Physical law.

Facts can be proven - i.e., if an apple falls from a tree gravity will pull it down. We don't BELIEVE it will fall down, we know it by Newton's law.

Now you may think you know these things about religion, but if your beliefs were law this particular forum would not exist. We are not still debating Newton's Law or the Laws of Thermodynamics. These are accepted and applied to demonstrate other principles that are not yet Laws.

The FACT that you don't understand these differences demonstrate our shortcomings in the educational system.

.... and I'm religious and BELIEVE in God but know the difference between fact and belief.

This is a really confusing post because you're mixing up the word "fact" with the scientific concept of a "law." They're not the same.

Here's a few definitions of the word fact for you:

1) something that has actual existence
2) an actual occurrence
3) a piece of information presented as having objective reality
4)the quality of being actual : ACTUALITY
(Those are all from Merriam Webster)

American Heritage gives us:
Something believed to be true or real

American Heritage also adds: "fact has a long history of use in the sense of "an allegation of fact" or "something that is believed to be true." Collins states that "When you refer to something as a fact or as fact, you mean that you think it is true or correct." Both include statements that speaker believes to be true be cannot prove as things that the speaker is free to describe as a "fact." It's not synonymous with a physical law.

When I say that "God exists" is a fact about the universe, I'm using the word "fact" in the sense 3 or 4 described above; as in "the objective reality of the question is that God exists" and I'm stating my belief about that objective reality in line with the American Heritage discussion of using "fact" to mean "something that is believed to be true." This is also pretty clear if you read more than the word "fact" because my statement begins with describing what I "think" about atheists. The normal usage there signals that what follows is an opinion or belief not a scientific law.

This is, of course, all pointless since my statement can easily be understood to mean "I think atheists are incorrect, as a matter of truth, about the answers to certain questions about the universe." You were never confused about what I meant.

NP. This is the Republican thinking on fact. The “objective reality” is fact, when it’s really, truly subjective and not proven at all.

I really don’t care if you think I’m wrong on the “basic facts of the universe,” because I think you’re wrong in how you interpret “fact.”

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Anonymous wrote:I have a number of relatives on my side and in-laws on my husband's side, plus colleagues and friends who are religious (Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, mostly). Sometimes we talk about religion and I'm comfortable saying that I am Atheist, sometimes I'm not comfortable so I talk about them but don't share my view (I never share with work colleagues).

If you consider yourself religious, what do you think of Atheists? My father-in-law won't say it but I'm pretty sure he thinks I worship the Devil and I know he thinks I'm going to hell. There is more to this story but it sometimes gets me thinking that those who practice their faith openly may have some strong opinions they're not saying.

Hoping for some honest replies but if you feel inclined to tell me how wrong my choice is I promise you I've already heard it so I probably won't read more than the first few words of what you post. I respect others' choices and just want the same.

An atheist who tries to engage colleagues in religious conversations? I think I know you. Your coworkers also don't invite you to lunch, but it's not because you're an atheist.

dp- people don’t care for atheists, but it’s not because they are atheists.

It’s their personality.

People don’t avoid engaging other people because of their religious beliefs or because they are atheists or vegans or crossfitters or whatever…it’s that the person behind the belief is insufferable or hard to relate to on a level that’s needed to have actual connection.

It’s humorous to me that atheists stomp about this thread claiming they are silenced and the man (Christian) is keeping them down because they are atheists. Haha, no- you don’t have personal-people skills and are extremely off-putting. People as a whole don’t engage with you because your personality is insufferable.

I don’t worry about atheists or atheism because who with any choice would choose to hang out with people who don’t have degrees but claim to know more than scholars and academics, to talk about gish galloping and strawmen and Santa and God are twin flames and
the stuff repeated here 24/7/365? NOBODY.

Let the atheists “have” the dcum religion forum and enjoy it. It’s their life, so they better enjoy it.

I know insufferable religious people who are insular, sometimes a few friends or family members tolerate them- atheists can be the flip side of that coin.

Except the atheists misconstrue their social situation as “I am an atheist. I know the truth and these sheeple won’t listen! These ignorant idiots idiotically believe a Sky daddy gave them a book and if they are good they get to go to heaven, what a steaming load.”

I am shocked atheists can’t see this.

LOL. Speaking of insufferable.

I hate to break it to you, but no one here gives AF what you believe. We enjoy discussing/debating various topics. If you feel personally offended by discussion, then these are not the threads for you. You can go copy & paste irrelevant blog posts somewhere else.

The moderator even said this thread blows.

Actually he said:
"The bottom line is that if you enjoy debates between atheists and those who are religious, you will enjoy this thread. For the rest of us, this is one that can be skipped."

The moderator also said this:
"Members of both groups involve themselves in threads in which they really are not welcome and have no beneficial role to play. This thread itself is an example of a thread in which atheists really have nothing to offer and probably should just skip the thread. After all the original poster requested answers from religious people."

After pp posted this, op left the thread.

My question is: why have atheist folks involved themselves in this thread, when op specifically asked for comments from non-atheists?

Did op just create a thread to facilitate (for lack of a better term but also accurate) fighting between atheists and religious people?

I'm the pp who posted the moderator's recommendation that atheists stay away, and I really don't think so. As you say, OP specifically asked for comments from non-atheists.

As the moderator said: this forum is basically unusable. Op asked for a specific demographic to comment. Atheists brigaded the thread because (and I quote) “they needed to defend atheism/themselves.”

So an atheist asks believers their opinion, and atheists posting here had to defend themselves in the thread, which was started by an atheist?

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Anonymous wrote:I think they are close minded.
I wasn't raised in a particular religion, and would consider myself "spiritual," So I don't have a dog in this fight.
Agnostic is totally fine.
But to be convinced that there isn't something just because you can't prove it exists seems dumb

Most atheists are also agnostic. Few atheists claim they are 100% certain there isn't a god of any type because that is a claim you would have to prove - so in that case you are correct that it is "dumb".

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Seems like a lot of people here have never had a conversation, which evolves as points are made and get responded to.

For instance, the seventh post in this thread said "I don't really have a general opinion of atheists beyond thinking they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe. "

The next post asks "What basic facts about the universe do you think that atheists are wrong about?"

And it went from there.

Was post 7 not supposed to add "they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe"?

Was post 8 not allowed to ask what was meant by that?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a lot of people here have never had a conversation, which evolves as points are made and get responded to.

For instance, the seventh post in this thread said "I don't really have a general opinion of atheists beyond thinking they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe. "

The next post asks "What basic facts about the universe do you think that atheists are wrong about?"

And it went from there.

Was post 7 not supposed to add "they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe"?

Was post 8 not allowed to ask what was meant by that?

DP. Yes, post 8 was wrong because they were hijacking. Post 7 was simply a vague "no opinion" with a sidebar about vague facts they disagreed on. It was wrong to try to take the thread in a totally new direction that debates religion itself. If you can't see that, I wonder about your own conversational abilities.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they are close minded.
I wasn't raised in a particular religion, and would consider myself "spiritual," So I don't have a dog in this fight.
Agnostic is totally fine.
But to be convinced that there isn't something just because you can't prove it exists seems dumb

Most atheists are also agnostic. Few atheists claim they are 100% certain there isn't a god of any type because that is a claim you would have to prove - so in that case you are correct that it is "dumb".

Correct- I never heard an atheist say they were "sure". Atheist means not being a theist and agnostic means not knowing. Other definitions are simply incorrect and, I suspect, are believed by people who prefer that atheists look unreasonable.

Right now, it's somewhat of an act of bravery for a person who doesn't believe in God to call themselves an atheist, because the term is so misunderstood.

Hopefully, readers here will help change that.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a lot of people here have never had a conversation, which evolves as points are made and get responded to.

For instance, the seventh post in this thread said "I don't really have a general opinion of atheists beyond thinking they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe. "

The next post asks "What basic facts about the universe do you think that atheists are wrong about?"

And it went from there.

Was post 7 not supposed to add "they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe"?

Was post 8 not allowed to ask what was meant by that?

DP. Yes, post 8 was wrong because they were hijacking. Post 7 was simply a vague "no opinion" with a sidebar about vague facts they disagreed on. It was wrong to try to take the thread in a totally new direction that debates religion itself. If you can't see that, I wonder about your own conversational abilities.

That is a transparently hypocritical point.

"I get to say whatever I want about your position but you can't question it or respond in any way".

Post 8 was not a threadjack - totally relevant to what people think about atheists. Totally reasonable to want to offer information that might change that opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a lot of people here have never had a conversation, which evolves as points are made and get responded to.

For instance, the seventh post in this thread said "I don't really have a general opinion of atheists beyond thinking they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe. "

The next post asks "What basic facts about the universe do you think that atheists are wrong about?"

And it went from there.

Was post 7 not supposed to add "they're wrong on some basic facts about the universe"?

Was post 8 not allowed to ask what was meant by that?

DP. Yes, post 8 was wrong because they were hijacking. Post 7 was simply a vague "no opinion" with a sidebar about vague facts they disagreed on. It was wrong to try to take the thread in a totally new direction that debates religion itself. If you can't see that, I wonder about your own conversational abilities.

This isn’t just a conversation; it is a forum that has rules to govern discussion. That’s why it’s for the best to confine threads to the topic of the thread.

op is an atheist who asked for the opinion of religious people. The thread was swiftly consumed by atheists who were “defending” themselves and then evolved into another thread of why God doesn’t exist, why Christianity is wrong, and multiple posts on Christians being evil, taking rights away from the general populace, and being the most abusive people in America.

It became so egregious the mod commented on it.