South Arlington and North Arlington Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Well, unless there is a major change in the school board and the board none of this is going to happen. The CARD group tried to tackle some of these issues and the Voz group came out swinging with their sob stories and "diversity." Much of this comes not from the Latino community but from the churches we all go to that lead the VOICE efforts. Perhaps the changes need to come from parishoners who are members of the churches that lead much of this.

Don't blame Mi Voz Cuenta. They were misled to believe that the CARD group were a bunch of Donald Trump-loving Tea Partiers, when really I think CARD were liberals pointing out the hypocrisy of other liberals. Think about who would do that, and why.

Segregation is a subject that makes many people uncomfortable; nobody wants to admit that they are comfortable with it, and that they tacitly accept it as the price of admission to a "good school."

But the thing is, in this case, the Latino community mentioned wants to be segregated! They want all their kids together at the same school(s)! They want to be in the majority and make zero efforts to integrate. It is not politically incorrect for them apparently.

No, in fact there is a strong "'liberal" contingent that is helping them accomplish this. I used to think it was the wealthy in north Arlington, who want to feel good about supporting the less fortunate, while keeping it at arms length. I don't think that's the case any more. I think much of this activism comes from south Arlington home owners.

Not me!
I'm absolutely flabbergasted by this "movement ".
Also the PP describing "white haired retirees" leading Latino families by hand into the meeting!? WTH? Who are these people?

These are older people who have lived here for 30+ years. They spent 175,000 on their home and they hate the new builds and popped up second floors around them. They think you speed around the neighborhood in your fancy car, and they think the schools are just fine- even though they don't have kids In them, and if you ask - you'll discover they sent their kids to private school back in the day. They feel the old Arlington is slipping away and don't want it changed. They are ultra liberal, to the point that they can't be reasoned with in regards to fiscal realities. They don't care that you spent 609k on a fixer upper, spend 2000 a month on childcare and are working your ass off to live close enough to work to try and have a home life. They don't care that the metro region has exploded since 1981, when they were a GS 13 and were able to afford a parent to stay home. They don't care that your kid is in a trailer, has lunch at 10am, and nowhere for recess. If you are so fancy and can afford to live here- you can afford private school as far as they are concerned. They don't understand why the kids need iPads- even though the point of that program is close the gap for less advantaged kids they are championing.
To sum up- they don't like you. They don't like your yuppie lifestyle. They don't like your entitlement. They don't like that you tore down/ renovated a perfectly good house. They don't like that you are demanding more from perfectly good schools.
They would rather move half of El Salvador and Ethiopia into all of Barcroft than see anymore people like you.

*CLAP CLAP CLAP*

I was on a civic association for one of the northern South Arlington neighborhoods and this is such an incredible description of the underlying dynamics of every meeting.

1) "Northern" South Arlington? I'm laughing inside, but I know that you are trying to give a general idea of where you live.
2) I wish those older folks got it. We've just pretend that we live the tiny house lifestyle.

yes, exactly. don't want to implicate anyone. IME you see PP's kind of person more in the north of the pike, east of 4 mile run S Arl neighborhoods than the rest...

IDK, there are some of those types just south of 50, west of Glebe, and east of Mason...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Well, unless there is a major change in the school board and the board none of this is going to happen. The CARD group tried to tackle some of these issues and the Voz group came out swinging with their sob stories and "diversity." Much of this comes not from the Latino community but from the churches we all go to that lead the VOICE efforts. Perhaps the changes need to come from parishoners who are members of the churches that lead much of this.

Don't blame Mi Voz Cuenta. They were misled to believe that the CARD group were a bunch of Donald Trump-loving Tea Partiers, when really I think CARD were liberals pointing out the hypocrisy of other liberals. Think about who would do that, and why.

Segregation is a subject that makes many people uncomfortable; nobody wants to admit that they are comfortable with it, and that they tacitly accept it as the price of admission to a "good school."

But the thing is, in this case, the Latino community mentioned wants to be segregated! They want all their kids together at the same school(s)! They want to be in the majority and make zero efforts to integrate. It is not politically incorrect for them apparently.

No, in fact there is a strong "'liberal" contingent that is helping them accomplish this. I used to think it was the wealthy in north Arlington, who want to feel good about supporting the less fortunate, while keeping it at arms length. I don't think that's the case any more. I think much of this activism comes from south Arlington home owners.

Not me!
I'm absolutely flabbergasted by this "movement ".
Also the PP describing "white haired retirees" leading Latino families by hand into the meeting!? WTH? Who are these people?

These are older people who have lived here for 30+ years. They spent 175,000 on their home and they hate the new builds and popped up second floors around them. They think you speed around the neighborhood in your fancy car, and they think the schools are just fine- even though they don't have kids In them, and if you ask - you'll discover they sent their kids to private school back in the day. They feel the old Arlington is slipping away and don't want it changed. They are ultra liberal, to the point that they can't be reasoned with in regards to fiscal realities. They don't care that you spent 609k on a fixer upper, spend 2000 a month on childcare and are working your ass off to live close enough to work to try and have a home life. They don't care that the metro region has exploded since 1981, when they were a GS 13 and were able to afford a parent to stay home. They don't care that your kid is in a trailer, has lunch at 10am, and nowhere for recess. If you are so fancy and can afford to live here- you can afford private school as far as they are concerned. They don't understand why the kids need iPads- even though the point of that program is close the gap for less advantaged kids they are championing.
To sum up- they don't like you. They don't like your yuppie lifestyle. They don't like your entitlement. They don't like that you tore down/ renovated a perfectly good house. They don't like that you are demanding more from perfectly good schools.
They would rather move half of El Salvador and Ethiopia into all of Barcroft than see anymore people like you.

*CLAP CLAP CLAP*

I was on a civic association for one of the northern South Arlington neighborhoods and this is such an incredible description of the underlying dynamics of every meeting.

YES. I wrote earlier in this thread, but I am on a neighborhood association in north Arlington, and this is it. I don't mean to overstate it- many of my older neighbors are delightful and welcoming, but the ones who really feel like this are the ones who are most politically active.

I said it before, and I'll say it again- make time to get involved with your neighborhood association. The system needs more younger folks getting involved, and not just when there's a specific, contentious school-related issue on the table.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, unless there is a major change in the school board and the board none of this is going to happen. The CARD group tried to tackle some of these issues and the Voz group came out swinging with their sob stories and "diversity." Much of this comes not from the Latino community but from the churches we all go to that lead the VOICE efforts. Perhaps the changes need to come from parishoners who are members of the churches that lead much of this.

Don't blame Mi Voz Cuenta. They were misled to believe that the CARD group were a bunch of Donald Trump-loving Tea Partiers, when really I think CARD were liberals pointing out the hypocrisy of other liberals. Think about who would do that, and why.

Segregation is a subject that makes many people uncomfortable; nobody wants to admit that they are comfortable with it, and that they tacitly accept it as the price of admission to a "good school."

But the thing is, in this case, the Latino community mentioned wants to be segregated! They want all their kids together at the same school(s)! They want to be in the majority and make zero efforts to integrate. It is not politically incorrect for them apparently.

No, in fact there is a strong "'liberal" contingent that is helping them accomplish this. I used to think it was the wealthy in north Arlington, who want to feel good about supporting the less fortunate, while keeping it at arms length. I don't think that's the case any more. I think much of this activism comes from south Arlington home owners.

Not me!
I'm absolutely flabbergasted by this "movement ".
Also the PP describing "white haired retirees" leading Latino families by hand into the meeting!? WTH? Who are these people?

These are older people who have lived here for 30+ years. They spent 175,000 on their home and they hate the new builds and popped up second floors around them. They think you speed around the neighborhood in your fancy car, and they think the schools are just fine- even though they don't have kids In them, and if you ask - you'll discover they sent their kids to private school back in the day. They feel the old Arlington is slipping away and don't want it changed. They are ultra liberal, to the point that they can't be reasoned with in regards to fiscal realities. They don't care that you spent 609k on a fixer upper, spend 2000 a month on childcare and are working your ass off to live close enough to work to try and have a home life. They don't care that the metro region has exploded since 1981, when they were a GS 13 and were able to afford a parent to stay home. They don't care that your kid is in a trailer, has lunch at 10am, and nowhere for recess. If you are so fancy and can afford to live here- you can afford private school as far as they are concerned. They don't understand why the kids need iPads- even though the point of that program is close the gap for less advantaged kids they are championing.
To sum up- they don't like you. They don't like your yuppie lifestyle. They don't like your entitlement. They don't like that you tore down/ renovated a perfectly good house. They don't like that you are demanding more from perfectly good schools.
They would rather move half of El Salvador and Ethiopia into all of Barcroft than see anymore people like you.

*CLAP CLAP CLAP*

I was on a civic association for one of the northern South Arlington neighborhoods and this is such an incredible description of the underlying dynamics of every meeting.

1) "Northern" South Arlington? I'm laughing inside, but I know that you are trying to give a general idea of where you live.
2) I wish those older folks got it. We've just pretend that we live the tiny house lifestyle.

yes, exactly. don't want to implicate anyone. IME you see PP's kind of person more in the north of the pike, east of 4 mile run S Arl neighborhoods than the rest...

IDK, there are some of those types just south of 50, west of Glebe, and east of Mason...

name starting with k?

[Anonymous]

I live on the Pike and this thread is inspiring me to get involved with my civic association. I like my neighborhood school quite a lot, diversity and all, but it's way too crowded (like them all). We're a two-WOHP home so it's hard to find time for the civic association--but it's important so I'm going to try. All my civic association seems to care about is getting cute streetlights installed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live on the Pike and this thread is inspiring me to get involved with my civic association. I like my neighborhood school quite a lot, diversity and all, but it's way too crowded (like them all). We're a two-WOHP home so it's hard to find time for the civic association--but it's important so I'm going to try. All my civic association seems to care about is getting cute streetlights installed.

Also, consider CARD. We need a louder voice - so to speak.

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Anonymous wrote:I live on the Pike and this thread is inspiring me to get involved with my civic association. I like my neighborhood school quite a lot, diversity and all, but it's way too crowded (like them all). We're a two-WOHP home so it's hard to find time for the civic association--but it's important so I'm going to try. All my civic association seems to care about is getting cute streetlights installed.

I'm in Nauck and getting similarly inspired. Especially the post way back in this thread about the single-slide "playground" on 19th. Pffft.

[Anonymous]

pp who was on a S Arl civic association here. I found it frustrating, to be honest, as the CA scope is pretty narrow and I never really found an issue I could make mine. But the main advantage was being known to involved people as a Fellow Involved Person and getting word of other opportunities for involvement. So don't think that because you go to a meeting every other month your schools will improve, but it is a good gateway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:pp who was on a S Arl civic association here. I found it frustrating, to be honest, as the CA scope is pretty narrow and I never really found an issue I could make mine. But the main advantage was being known to involved people as a Fellow Involved Person and getting word of other opportunities for involvement. So don't think that because you go to a meeting every other month your schools will improve, but it is a good gateway.

That's also part of the problem. All of the " consensus" building at the county level. You have to peel so many layers away! So many meetings. It's very discouraging to younger families. There has to be a slightly more efficient way.

[Anonymous]

Why isn't anyone talking about Audrey Clement, the other independent candidate? I was looking through all the candidates websites trying to figure out their positions (they're all linked on the county page, here: https://vote.arlingtonva.us/elections/ ) and she is also against the newly proposed affordable housing plan and supports distributing affordable housing amidst other newly built middle class housing buildings, like the McM guy, but nobody is pushing her like everyone here is pushing McM. Why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't anyone talking about Audrey Clement, the other independent candidate? I was looking through all the candidates websites trying to figure out their positions (they're all linked on the county page, here: https://vote.arlingtonva.us/elections/ ) and she is also against the newly proposed affordable housing plan and supports distributing affordable housing amidst other newly built middle class housing buildings, like the McM guy, but nobody is pushing her like everyone here is pushing McM. Why not?

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She's run a bunch of times. I think it's like a real estate listing that goes cold...

Also, she has spoken at board meetings on different occasions and just doesn't connect her thoughts very well. I heard her speak in general conversation and she seems pretty together, but I always feel like she falls apart at the podium.

But might be worth a second look and your second vote. At least she's for preserving our park land. It's insane to think Dorsey and Cristol would be cool with projects on/ in our parks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't anyone talking about Audrey Clement, the other independent candidate? I was looking through all the candidates websites trying to figure out their positions (they're all linked on the county page, here: https://vote.arlingtonva.us/elections/ ) and she is also against the newly proposed affordable housing plan and supports distributing affordable housing amidst other newly built middle class housing buildings, like the McM guy, but nobody is pushing her like everyone here is pushing McM. Why not?

Because she thinks we should stop spending so much on school buildings, which would naturally affect any new construction in the South -- and we'd be screwed again with sub-par schools when compared with Discovery in the north. Her supporters have been fighting the Abingdon renovation every step of the way. She's cuckoo for cocoa puffs. IMHO. I may vote for McMenamin but I'd rather not vote at all if I had to pick Clement.

[Anonymous]

What is CARD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't anyone talking about Audrey Clement, the other independent candidate? I was looking through all the candidates websites trying to figure out their positions (they're all linked on the county page, here: https://vote.arlingtonva.us/elections/ ) and she is also against the newly proposed affordable housing plan and supports distributing affordable housing amidst other newly built middle class housing buildings, like the McM guy, but nobody is pushing her like everyone here is pushing McM. Why not?

Because she thinks we should stop spending so much on school buildings, which would naturally affect any new construction in the South -- and we'd be screwed again with sub-par schools when compared with Discovery in the north. Her supporters have been fighting the Abingdon renovation every step of the way. She's cuckoo for cocoa puffs. IMHO. I may vote for McMenamin but I'd rather not vote at all if I had to pick Clement.

Seriously, EVERY building is going to be sub-par when compared to Discovery. APS built is smaller than 725 (the new standard) and didn't bat an eye at the bells and whistles. Now, they are all about cutting costs. You can put the pieces together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why isn't anyone talking about Audrey Clement, the other independent candidate? I was looking through all the candidates websites trying to figure out their positions (they're all linked on the county page, here: https://vote.arlingtonva.us/elections/ ) and she is also against the newly proposed affordable housing plan and supports distributing affordable housing amidst other newly built middle class housing buildings, like the McM guy, but nobody is pushing her like everyone here is pushing McM. Why not?

Because she thinks we should stop spending so much on school buildings, which would naturally affect any new construction in the South -- and we'd be screwed again with sub-par schools when compared with Discovery in the north. Her supporters have been fighting the Abingdon renovation every step of the way. She's cuckoo for cocoa puffs. IMHO. I may vote for McMenamin but I'd rather not vote at all if I had to pick Clement.

Yikes- didn't realize that. One vote for Mike it is!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is CARD?

Ok.... Coalition of Arlingtonians for responsible development.


Basically, they would like the county to think things through before they give money for or get bought off for more density of any sort.


Fun fact: Mary Hynes thinks the name is offensive, because she thought it in some way referenced green cards....
That's who has been running our county ladies and gentleman. Smh...