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My SIL is a dress-up-for-thanksgiving gal, too. Sequined dress and tights, she made BIL wear a suit and tie and dress shoes. These are people who work blue collar jobs, think pharmacy tech and landscaper. She actually had the audacity to ask DH "why are you dressed so sloppy? It's thanksgiving!" DH was wearing a nice flannel shirt and jeans and moccasins, at thanksgiving, in his own mother's house, where nobody dresses up. DH said, "well I wear a tie to work, so I'd rather be comfortable at home." |
You know you’re coming off as really snobbish, right? Maybe people with more casual jobs like the idea of dressing up for the holidays. Some families do. I mean, she was rude to chastise your DH for being “sloppy,” but you sound classist. |
NP. It made sense to me. Missing door knob means door can’t be locked, so anyone can walk in at any time. Assuming the door opens in, a door stop on the inside would prevent someone from walking in on you while you’re using the bathroom. |
DP here. It’s rude to comment on another’s appearance. Just like it’s rude to comment on what someone takes on their plate or does/does not eat. (Looking at you MIL.) |
Better to be classist than to be classless enough to badger someone in their own home about their sartorial choices. DH didn't say that to be mean. She asked him why he was dressed "so sloppy" and he answered honestly. Throughout the dinner, SIL made a ton of comments about how MIL was doing everything wrong and needed to do things like "use a classier tablecloth" (she meant buy a shiny paper one from party store vs heirloom tablecloth) and how she should have just used all disposable paper products for serving/eating instead of the fancy family china plates, and how MIL should just pick up all the food from a caterer next time instead of "wasting all day cooking" (MIL takes a lot of pride in her cooking and it's good.) I don't know if it's a social class issue or a SIL issue--I cannot imagine showing up as a guest in someone's home and criticizing the heck out over everything in a super concern-trolling kind of way. |
My husband does this wherever he is; I give him a 30 minute window before the crankiness sets in! |
I think it’s probably just awkwardness and a weird class thing. I grew up poor but our family was of the background and era where you could and did save for beautiful linens, cooked really well from scratch, and spent the little money you did have on holidays and hosting- so things like serving ware, silver, and china were used and considered a way of sharing what nice things you had with everyone who came through your door. My grandparents’ goal was always to save for the nicest thing that could last the longest. But so much of their leisure time and now ours is spent on upkeep, maintenance, caretaking, and the extra effort needed to use and clean special things. My SIL grew up with much less and was poor in a different way. Her family really aspires to conveniences after a hardscrabble life. Disposable things, new pretty things every year from wal-mart and Amazon, and not having to do dishes is considered a worthy and aspirational goal. They’ve had to move a lot and had some houses wrecked by various disasters and crises, so having nice things to pass down isn’t really a positive- it’s more of an overwhelming burden. Both perspectives are just a different way of looking at having more money and leisure, but it’s jarring if you’re coming from one background or the other and experiencing it for the first time. I don’t think either side can see eye to eye on this because it’s so personal and complicated. |
I don’t care if someone is doctor who works at a hospital or cashier working in pharmacy or if works fast food, as an Amazon driver or works in an office building. What I do care is if any of the above take a haughty, condescending tone when they come to the table and lecture the rest of us about our life choices. I am SO glad extended family time is now over. |
Its textbook insecurity/self-loathing and/or envy, depending on the context. |
I get that. Bittersweet. |
thank you for this really thoughtful response and the PP below who mentioned envy. I had not thought of it that way, but it makes a lot of sense. |
Another NP. I’m astonished that anyone is confused about the need for a door stopper in this scenario. That PP has zero business calling anyone else a dolt. |
MIl insisted on hosting (we alternate years celebrating with DH’s family and mine, we always host when it’s my family, but MIL or SIL like to host on their years). MIL insisted no one show up until an exact set time (like a PP’s mother).
Upon arrival, we were immediately hustled to the dining room for dinner. Dinner was - salmon and roasted potatoes and asparagus. When asked what happened to all of the/our traditional Thanksgiving dishes, she said she “just doesn’t feel like cooking Thanksgiving foods any longer.” SIL (MIL’s 42 year old daughter) pitched a screaming and crying fit that she would have hosted had she known we wouldn’t be served Thanksgiving dishes, and went into her childhood bedroom to sulk. The rest of SIL’s family, my family and FIL sat at the table, partly dumbfounded at the food on the table and partly frozen in place listening to MIL and SIL scream at each other through the bedroom door. On a bright note, the apple and pumpkin pies I brought were a hit! |
Team SIL. WTF was MIL thinking? Very selfish on her part. |