Fed Government Shutdown 2025: non-political thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From WH pool:
“I haven’t said it probably as bluntly as I just said it. So we’re going to be closing up Democrat programs that we think, that we disagree with. And they’re never going to open again.”

Apparently Friday will be another day of RIFs. Read for yourself.

Source:
https://www.forth.news/whpool/CU7kQ34Q7rAr1P1fZXpTk

I don't think Trump understands what is actually happening.

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Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

What do you not understand about how fabulous the ACA is?

Go back to your hole MAGA

LOL, it's so fabulous people can't even afford the most basic plans. Maybe it needs to be less fabulous and more affordable.

When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up. How do you not understand that?
When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up IE PROJECT 2025 not like they didn't write it down.

How did healthcare work before aca? Should go back to that people would have to work .

Yeah, being denied coverage because of preexisting conditions was so great ...

Do you think people came up with the ACA because what we had before was working?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

What do you not understand about how fabulous the ACA is?

Go back to your hole MAGA

LOL, it's so fabulous people can't even afford the most basic plans. Maybe it needs to be less fabulous and more affordable.

When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up. How do you not understand that?
When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up IE PROJECT 2025 not like they didn't write it down.

How did healthcare work before aca? Should go back to that people would have to work .

Yeah, being denied coverage because of preexisting conditions was so great ...

Do you think people came up with the ACA because what we had before was working?

that was the safe guard to avoid people getting insurance last minute when they didn't pay into it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

What do you not understand about how fabulous the ACA is?

Go back to your hole MAGA

LOL, it's so fabulous people can't even afford the most basic plans. Maybe it needs to be less fabulous and more affordable.

When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up. How do you not understand that?
When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up IE PROJECT 2025 not like they didn't write it down.

How did healthcare work before aca? Should go back to that people would have to work .

Yeah, being denied coverage because of preexisting conditions was so great ...

Do you think people came up with the ACA because what we had before was working?

that was the safe guard to avoid people getting insurance last minute when they didn't pay into it.

No it was just a way to let insurance companies deny claims to people who paid for insurance (remember most people get insurance through their job so they aren’t getting jobs “last
minute”).

Remember another part of ACA was a requirement that insurers actually have to pay 80% of premiums collected for medical care because pre-ACA they weren’t even doing that.

[Anonymous]

I remember two things that were prevalent pre-ACA: Large numbers of uninsured people showing up at ERs for routine medical care (because they couldn’t be turned away for inability to pay) and working class people with “pre-existing conditions” going bankrupt and losing their homes to pay for life saving care.

[Anonymous]

Pre-ACA, my brother-in-law with rheumatoid arthritis had a lapse in heath insurance after the restaurant he worked at suddenly closed. He is disease was never once again covered by insurance even as he worked. Eventually his family went bankrupt from medical debt, and he died in his 50s with painful gnarled hands from substandard care.

This is what you want to go back to?? This man wanted to work and be productive!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I remember two things that were prevalent pre-ACA: Large numbers of uninsured people showing up at ERs for routine medical care (because they couldn’t be turned away for inability to pay) and working class people with “pre-existing conditions” going bankrupt and losing their homes to pay for life saving care.

Or just dying. It was not uncommon to hide a cancer diagnosis because treatment would bankrupt your family. This particularly hit people in their fifties and sixties when lay offs would happen.

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Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

What do you not understand about how fabulous the ACA is?

Go back to your hole MAGA

LOL, it's so fabulous people can't even afford the most basic plans. Maybe it needs to be less fabulous and more affordable.

When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up. How do you not understand that?
When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up IE PROJECT 2025 not like they didn't write it down.

How did healthcare work before aca? Should go back to that people would have to work .

Yeah, being denied coverage because of preexisting conditions was so great ...

Do you think people came up with the ACA because what we had before was working?

that was the safe guard to avoid people getting insurance last minute when they didn't pay into it.

That could all be avoided by having a universal plan available for everyone. We must be the stupidest country in the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

What do you not understand about how fabulous the ACA is?

Go back to your hole MAGA

LOL, it's so fabulous people can't even afford the most basic plans. Maybe it needs to be less fabulous and more affordable.

When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up. How do you not understand that?
When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up IE PROJECT 2025 not like they didn't write it down.

How did healthcare work before aca? Should go back to that people would have to work .

Yeah, being denied coverage because of preexisting conditions was so great ...

Do you think people came up with the ACA because what we had before was working?

that was the safe guard to avoid people getting insurance last minute when they didn't pay into it.

That could all be avoided by having a universal plan available for everyone. We must be the stupidest country in the world.

We have let greed take over- ruining our health, our safety, and our food. All of these temporarily embarrassed millionaires have voted us into oblivion.

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Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

Can we say the same thing for Space X? It can only survive with government subsidies?

What subsidies is Space X specifically receiving? Payment for services rendered are not subsidies.

Now if you were talking about ULA... That was basically the Government paying for nothing.

There’s an implicit subsidy… the federal government is the anchor tenant that has allowed SpaceX to survive.

LOL, payment for services rendered is not a subsidy. Keep trying.

Do you own stock in one of Musk’s companies? You sound very protective of them.

Nah, just find liberal derangement over Space X and Musk to be amusing.

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Most Americans don’t care whether SpaceX and Tesla exist. Let the market decide. If they fail, they fail. 🤷‍♀️

NASA invested in commercializing space via the SpaceX company, which provided it with capital and authorization for various contracts that wouldn’t have been possible otherwise.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/09/nasa-spacex-elon-musk-ambitions/683559/

I'd like to see a referendum on spending tax money on going to Mars. I can't imagine most U.S. citizens are interested in paying more for healthcare for the sake of getting to Mars. Like sure, I'll pay higher premiums so we can send a few spaceships to Mars in a few decades. So worth it to the average citizen wanting to retire by 65.

This is unbelievably obtuse. Federal spending on healthcare is about $2,000B per year. Federal spending on human space flight is roughly $10B per year. Are you seriously suggesting asking to compare things that are imbalanced by a factor of 200? Which would you rather have, a Ferrari or a Hot Wheels?

The salaries of federal workers are a drop in the bucket next to the total national debt. But alas, we have to start somewhere, correct, even if it’s a drop in the bucket?

Let’s start by not sending billions to Argentina, Israel and Egypt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

What do you not understand about how fabulous the ACA is?

Go back to your hole MAGA

LOL, it's so fabulous people can't even afford the most basic plans. Maybe it needs to be less fabulous and more affordable.

When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up. How do you not understand that?
When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up IE PROJECT 2025 not like they didn't write it down.

How did healthcare work before aca? Should go back to that people would have to work .

People were dying because they couldn’t get a basic physical, or dental cleaning. Others were tethered to a job because many jobs did not provide health insurance coverage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

What do you not understand about how fabulous the ACA is?

Go back to your hole MAGA

LOL, it's so fabulous people can't even afford the most basic plans. Maybe it needs to be less fabulous and more affordable.

When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up. How do you not understand that?
When the ACA goes away Healthcare costs go up IE PROJECT 2025 not like they didn't write it down.

How did healthcare work before aca? Should go back to that people would have to work .

Yeah, being denied coverage because of preexisting conditions was so great ...

Do you think people came up with the ACA because what we had before was working?

that was the safe guard to avoid people getting insurance last minute when they didn't pay into it.

That could all be avoided by having a universal plan available for everyone. We must be the stupidest country in the world.

The ACA was designed to hopefully lead to universal healthcare, but republicans blocked it in every way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:at this point i think the dems should cut their losses and pass the cr and enable the legislative branch of govt function again, however terribly it may be. it's better than zero.

Absolutely not. Once the populous actually sees how much their ACA premiums go up on Nov 1 they’ll understand what the Dems are fighting for and how corrupt the GOP is

So the only way ACA can survive is through massive subsidies? Sounds like it needs to be reformed or killed.

Can we say the same thing for Space X? It can only survive with government subsidies?

What subsidies is Space X specifically receiving? Payment for services rendered are not subsidies.

Now if you were talking about ULA... That was basically the Government paying for nothing.

There’s an implicit subsidy… the federal government is the anchor tenant that has allowed SpaceX to survive.

LOL, payment for services rendered is not a subsidy. Keep trying.

Do you own stock in one of Musk’s companies? You sound very protective of them.

Nah, just find liberal derangement over Space X and Musk to be amusing.

m

Most Americans don’t care whether SpaceX and Tesla exist. Let the market decide. If they fail, they fail. 🤷‍♀️

NASA invested in commercializing space via the SpaceX company, which provided it with capital and authorization for various contracts that wouldn’t have been possible otherwise.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/09/nasa-spacex-elon-musk-ambitions/683559/

I'd like to see a referendum on spending tax money on going to Mars. I can't imagine most U.S. citizens are interested in paying more for healthcare for the sake of getting to Mars. Like sure, I'll pay higher premiums so we can send a few spaceships to Mars in a few decades. So worth it to the average citizen wanting to retire by 65.

This is unbelievably obtuse. Federal spending on healthcare is about $2,000B per year. Federal spending on human space flight is roughly $10B per year. Are you seriously suggesting asking to compare things that are imbalanced by a factor of 200? Which would you rather have, a Ferrari or a Hot Wheels?

The salaries of federal workers are a drop in the bucket next to the total national debt. But alas, we have to start somewhere, correct, even if it’s a drop in the bucket?

Let’s start by not sending billions to Argentina, Israel and Egypt.

+1 There are so many pieces of low-hanging fruit such as those three.

[Anonymous]

We are also granting millions of dollars to healthcare systems all across Africa - just like we did before. The difference is that the money will now go to Trump friends to do the work.

[Anonymous]

working class people with “pre-existing conditions” going bankrupt and losing their homes to pay for life saving care.

And preexisting conditions were not just chronic, ongoing conditions like diabetes; it was things like pregnancy that companies would use to deny you coverage altogether.