ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one would ever swith over if it ment reverting their roster to include trapped players and the BY debacle.

F that.

I agree + I dont think MLS has considered this.

Just keep the top tier MLSN BY + group everyone else in a 2nd tier SY league. Top clubs would have one BY team and one SY team thats a level down + allows playing in HS.

You cant be everything to everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a FACT is that MLSN has moved from a) BY for sure, to b) rethink about it.

According to our club, it has been p2p clubs push what is making MLSN reconsidering the situation.

Let’s remember that MLS academies are vastly outnumbered by p2p clubs in the MLSN ecosystem.

We assume they wanted 'BY for sure' (and that is likely) but I do not know anyone who actually has ever heard, one way or the other, anything from MLSN on this. No clubs know anything (anything you have heard from a club is just that, 2nd hand at best), and the MLSN2 clubs (who this would really impact) are completely in the dark.

Let's not forget, they basically doubled in size with these new MLSN2 clubs and have now just left them completely out to dry. WTF.

There are some MLSN clubs who have decided to go SY for all their teams next year regardless of what MLSN announces.

This is why it will be so so hard for MLSN to stay BY right now. Maybe these clubs stay a year because it is too late to change. But if MLSN stays BY, they will soon be gone. Yeah some of these may be smaller clubs who cant create their own feeder league. And yeah, these might not be the top clubs. But there will be a lot of them. And that would be a whole lot of $$ gone

NOPE

The only reason MLSN might want to run a SY league in whatever from it might happen. Is so ECNL and other leagues have an easy way to switch to MLSN/GA. MLS needs to make on boarding as easy as possible. Once clubs are under the umbrella they can create a BY team.

You make no sense. Is this MLSN guy again

I mean, he is partially right. The P2P clubs know that staying BY will make conquests from other leagues not as direct as they are now. And they rely on that. Heck, my kids MLSN team and most of the ones I am familiar with are made up of kids who are from other clubs non-MLSN (only a very few were with the club at U11/12). So anything that disrupts that player flow is a problem for them.

But hey, at least he is now admitting that MLSN will likely have a considerable SY league or component. That's a long way!

Just to be clear the only reason I think MLSN + SY makes sense is to accommodate ECNL clubs switching over to MLSN/GA.

Yeah I think we got it since you won’t shut up about it. Lemme guess your son rides the bench at an MLSN academy in Cali? And he was born in July.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a FACT is that MLSN has moved from a) BY for sure, to b) rethink about it.

According to our club, it has been p2p clubs push what is making MLSN reconsidering the situation.

Let’s remember that MLS academies are vastly outnumbered by p2p clubs in the MLSN ecosystem.

We assume they wanted 'BY for sure' (and that is likely) but I do not know anyone who actually has ever heard, one way or the other, anything from MLSN on this. No clubs know anything (anything you have heard from a club is just that, 2nd hand at best), and the MLSN2 clubs (who this would really impact) are completely in the dark.

Let's not forget, they basically doubled in size with these new MLSN2 clubs and have now just left them completely out to dry. WTF.

There are some MLSN clubs who have decided to go SY for all their teams next year regardless of what MLSN announces.

This is why it will be so so hard for MLSN to stay BY right now. Maybe these clubs stay a year because it is too late to change. But if MLSN stays BY, they will soon be gone. Yeah some of these may be smaller clubs who cant create their own feeder league. And yeah, these might not be the top clubs. But there will be a lot of them. And that would be a whole lot of $$ gone

NOPE

The only reason MLSN might want to run a SY league in whatever from it might happen. Is so ECNL and other leagues have an easy way to switch to MLSN/GA. MLS needs to make on boarding as easy as possible. Once clubs are under the umbrella they can create a BY team.

You make no sense. Is this MLSN guy again

I mean, he is partially right. The P2P clubs know that staying BY will make conquests from other leagues not as direct as they are now. And they rely on that. Heck, my kids MLSN team and most of the ones I am familiar with are made up of kids who are from other clubs non-MLSN (only a very few were with the club at U11/12). So anything that disrupts that player flow is a problem for them.

But hey, at least he is now admitting that MLSN will likely have a considerable SY league or component. That's a long way!

Just to be clear the only reason I think MLSN + SY makes sense is to accommodate ECNL clubs switching over to MLSN/GA.

Yeah I think we got it since you won’t shut up about it. Lemme guess your son rides the bench at an MLSN academy in Cali? And he was born in July.

July 31st to be exact great guess.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a FACT is that MLSN has moved from a) BY for sure, to b) rethink about it.

According to our club, it has been p2p clubs push what is making MLSN reconsidering the situation.

Let’s remember that MLS academies are vastly outnumbered by p2p clubs in the MLSN ecosystem.

We assume they wanted 'BY for sure' (and that is likely) but I do not know anyone who actually has ever heard, one way or the other, anything from MLSN on this. No clubs know anything (anything you have heard from a club is just that, 2nd hand at best), and the MLSN2 clubs (who this would really impact) are completely in the dark.

Let's not forget, they basically doubled in size with these new MLSN2 clubs and have now just left them completely out to dry. WTF.

There are some MLSN clubs who have decided to go SY for all their teams next year regardless of what MLSN announces.

This is why it will be so so hard for MLSN to stay BY right now. Maybe these clubs stay a year because it is too late to change. But if MLSN stays BY, they will soon be gone. Yeah some of these may be smaller clubs who cant create their own feeder league. And yeah, these might not be the top clubs. But there will be a lot of them. And that would be a whole lot of $$ gone

NOPE

The only reason MLSN might want to run a SY league in whatever from it might happen. Is so ECNL and other leagues have an easy way to switch to MLSN/GA. MLS needs to make on boarding as easy as possible. Once clubs are under the umbrella they can create a BY team.

You make no sense. Is this MLSN guy again

No, it’s the guy who doesn’t know how mlsnext is structured.

I know how MLS Next is structured

What needs to happen is for MLS to create a seperate 2nd Tier league that is SY that basically mirrors ECNL. Thhis is what clubs want. They want the to be associated with MLS but they dont want all the hassle of fielding a highly competitive team.

Fine, split the league into a 1st tier thats BY and a 2nd tier thats SY. The different leagues can still play each other at events. Its just that one or the other will need to play up 6 months. But with biobanding whats the difference?

They already have two tiers. Biobanding does not address this and that’s been discussed before. The league does not want to go SY, it is the clubs that want to go SY. Have you looked at a map of the location of mlsnext clubs? Are you aware of the travel involved? There won’t be enough clubs who want to stay BY to make your idea work, staying BY is a headache the majority of clubs don’t want to deal with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one would ever swith over if it ment reverting their roster to include trapped players and the BY debacle.

F that.

I agree + I dont think MLS has considered this.

Just keep the top tier MLSN BY + group everyone else in a 2nd tier SY league. Top clubs would have one BY team and one SY team thats a level down + allows playing in HS.

You cant be everything to everyone.

And mlsnext 1/mlsn2 clubs have a different cutoff between their first and second teams?

Mlsn1 p2p is barely a pro pathway. Mlsn2 even less so. People sign up for mlsn2 teams because they believe they will play mlsn1 teams, get promoted to mlsn1, etc. Having different cutoffs kills that dream. At least an enrl team has the possibility (however small) of getting promoted to ecnl. Won’t exist with mlsn2 so why do it?

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Anonymous wrote:What is a FACT is that MLSN has moved from a) BY for sure, to b) rethink about it.

According to our club, it has been p2p clubs push what is making MLSN reconsidering the situation.

Let’s remember that MLS academies are vastly outnumbered by p2p clubs in the MLSN ecosystem.

We assume they wanted 'BY for sure' (and that is likely) but I do not know anyone who actually has ever heard, one way or the other, anything from MLSN on this. No clubs know anything (anything you have heard from a club is just that, 2nd hand at best), and the MLSN2 clubs (who this would really impact) are completely in the dark.

Let's not forget, they basically doubled in size with these new MLSN2 clubs and have now just left them completely out to dry. WTF.

There are some MLSN clubs who have decided to go SY for all their teams next year regardless of what MLSN announces.

This is why it will be so so hard for MLSN to stay BY right now. Maybe these clubs stay a year because it is too late to change. But if MLSN stays BY, they will soon be gone. Yeah some of these may be smaller clubs who cant create their own feeder league. And yeah, these might not be the top clubs. But there will be a lot of them. And that would be a whole lot of $$ gone

NOPE

The only reason MLSN might want to run a SY league in whatever from it might happen. Is so ECNL and other leagues have an easy way to switch to MLSN/GA. MLS needs to make on boarding as easy as possible. Once clubs are under the umbrella they can create a BY team.

You make no sense. Is this MLSN guy again

I mean, he is partially right. The P2P clubs know that staying BY will make conquests from other leagues not as direct as they are now. And they rely on that. Heck, my kids MLSN team and most of the ones I am familiar with are made up of kids who are from other clubs non-MLSN (only a very few were with the club at U11/12). So anything that disrupts that player flow is a problem for them.

But hey, at least he is now admitting that MLSN will likely have a considerable SY league or component. That's a long way!

Just to be clear the only reason I think MLSN + SY makes sense is to accommodate ECNL clubs switching over to MLSN/GA.

Yeah I think we got it since you won’t shut up about it. Lemme guess your son rides the bench at an MLSN academy in Cali? And he was born in July.

This legit cracked me up.

It is nice how gracious he is now to allow MLSN to 'accommodate ECNL clubs'. Pretty funny turnaround.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a FACT is that MLSN has moved from a) BY for sure, to b) rethink about it.

According to our club, it has been p2p clubs push what is making MLSN reconsidering the situation.

Let’s remember that MLS academies are vastly outnumbered by p2p clubs in the MLSN ecosystem.

We assume they wanted 'BY for sure' (and that is likely) but I do not know anyone who actually has ever heard, one way or the other, anything from MLSN on this. No clubs know anything (anything you have heard from a club is just that, 2nd hand at best), and the MLSN2 clubs (who this would really impact) are completely in the dark.

Let's not forget, they basically doubled in size with these new MLSN2 clubs and have now just left them completely out to dry. WTF.

There are some MLSN clubs who have decided to go SY for all their teams next year regardless of what MLSN announces.

This is why it will be so so hard for MLSN to stay BY right now. Maybe these clubs stay a year because it is too late to change. But if MLSN stays BY, they will soon be gone. Yeah some of these may be smaller clubs who cant create their own feeder league. And yeah, these might not be the top clubs. But there will be a lot of them. And that would be a whole lot of $$ gone

NOPE

The only reason MLSN might want to run a SY league in whatever from it might happen. Is so ECNL and other leagues have an easy way to switch to MLSN/GA. MLS needs to make on boarding as easy as possible. Once clubs are under the umbrella they can create a BY team.

You make no sense. Is this MLSN guy again

I mean, he is partially right. The P2P clubs know that staying BY will make conquests from other leagues not as direct as they are now. And they rely on that. Heck, my kids MLSN team and most of the ones I am familiar with are made up of kids who are from other clubs non-MLSN (only a very few were with the club at U11/12). So anything that disrupts that player flow is a problem for them.

But hey, at least he is now admitting that MLSN will likely have a considerable SY league or component. That's a long way!

Just to be clear the only reason I think MLSN + SY makes sense is to accommodate ECNL clubs switching over to MLSN/GA.

Yeah I think we got it since you won’t shut up about it. Lemme guess your son rides the bench at an MLSN academy in Cali? And he was born in July.

This legit cracked me up.

It is nice how gracious he is now to allow MLSN to 'accommodate ECNL clubs'. Pretty funny turnaround.

Should I say SY clubs instead? Does it matter?

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Anonymous wrote:What is a FACT is that MLSN has moved from a) BY for sure, to b) rethink about it.

According to our club, it has been p2p clubs push what is making MLSN reconsidering the situation.

Let’s remember that MLS academies are vastly outnumbered by p2p clubs in the MLSN ecosystem.

We assume they wanted 'BY for sure' (and that is likely) but I do not know anyone who actually has ever heard, one way or the other, anything from MLSN on this. No clubs know anything (anything you have heard from a club is just that, 2nd hand at best), and the MLSN2 clubs (who this would really impact) are completely in the dark.

Let's not forget, they basically doubled in size with these new MLSN2 clubs and have now just left them completely out to dry. WTF.

There are some MLSN clubs who have decided to go SY for all their teams next year regardless of what MLSN announces.

This is why it will be so so hard for MLSN to stay BY right now. Maybe these clubs stay a year because it is too late to change. But if MLSN stays BY, they will soon be gone. Yeah some of these may be smaller clubs who cant create their own feeder league. And yeah, these might not be the top clubs. But there will be a lot of them. And that would be a whole lot of $$ gone

NOPE

The only reason MLSN might want to run a SY league in whatever from it might happen. Is so ECNL and other leagues have an easy way to switch to MLSN/GA. MLS needs to make on boarding as easy as possible. Once clubs are under the umbrella they can create a BY team.

You make no sense. Is this MLSN guy again

I mean, he is partially right. The P2P clubs know that staying BY will make conquests from other leagues not as direct as they are now. And they rely on that. Heck, my kids MLSN team and most of the ones I am familiar with are made up of kids who are from other clubs non-MLSN (only a very few were with the club at U11/12). So anything that disrupts that player flow is a problem for them.

But hey, at least he is now admitting that MLSN will likely have a considerable SY league or component. That's a long way!

Just to be clear the only reason I think MLSN + SY makes sense is to accommodate ECNL clubs switching over to MLSN/GA.

Yeah I think we got it since you won’t shut up about it. Lemme guess your son rides the bench at an MLSN academy in Cali? And he was born in July.

This legit cracked me up.

It is nice how gracious he is now to allow MLSN to 'accommodate ECNL clubs'. Pretty funny turnaround.

That may be the dream but someone with a kid at an mls academy knows the structure of mlsnext.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a FACT is that MLSN has moved from a) BY for sure, to b) rethink about it.

According to our club, it has been p2p clubs push what is making MLSN reconsidering the situation.

Let’s remember that MLS academies are vastly outnumbered by p2p clubs in the MLSN ecosystem.

We assume they wanted 'BY for sure' (and that is likely) but I do not know anyone who actually has ever heard, one way or the other, anything from MLSN on this. No clubs know anything (anything you have heard from a club is just that, 2nd hand at best), and the MLSN2 clubs (who this would really impact) are completely in the dark.

Let's not forget, they basically doubled in size with these new MLSN2 clubs and have now just left them completely out to dry. WTF.

There are some MLSN clubs who have decided to go SY for all their teams next year regardless of what MLSN announces.

This is why it will be so so hard for MLSN to stay BY right now. Maybe these clubs stay a year because it is too late to change. But if MLSN stays BY, they will soon be gone. Yeah some of these may be smaller clubs who cant create their own feeder league. And yeah, these might not be the top clubs. But there will be a lot of them. And that would be a whole lot of $$ gone

NOPE

The only reason MLSN might want to run a SY league in whatever from it might happen. Is so ECNL and other leagues have an easy way to switch to MLSN/GA. MLS needs to make on boarding as easy as possible. Once clubs are under the umbrella they can create a BY team.

You make no sense. Is this MLSN guy again

No, it’s the guy who doesn’t know how mlsnext is structured.

I know how MLS Next is structured

What needs to happen is for MLS to create a seperate 2nd Tier league that is SY that basically mirrors ECNL. Thhis is what clubs want. They want the to be associated with MLS but they dont want all the hassle of fielding a highly competitive team.

Fine, split the league into a 1st tier thats BY and a 2nd tier thats SY. The different leagues can still play each other at events. Its just that one or the other will need to play up 6 months. But with biobanding whats the difference?

How competitive a team is has nothing to do with the age cutoff used. There is nothing magical about 1/1 vs 8/1. There is no age cutoff that is more likely to develop pro players.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a FACT is that MLSN has moved from a) BY for sure, to b) rethink about it.

According to our club, it has been p2p clubs push what is making MLSN reconsidering the situation.

Let’s remember that MLS academies are vastly outnumbered by p2p clubs in the MLSN ecosystem.

We assume they wanted 'BY for sure' (and that is likely) but I do not know anyone who actually has ever heard, one way or the other, anything from MLSN on this. No clubs know anything (anything you have heard from a club is just that, 2nd hand at best), and the MLSN2 clubs (who this would really impact) are completely in the dark.

Let's not forget, they basically doubled in size with these new MLSN2 clubs and have now just left them completely out to dry. WTF.

There are some MLSN clubs who have decided to go SY for all their teams next year regardless of what MLSN announces.

This is why it will be so so hard for MLSN to stay BY right now. Maybe these clubs stay a year because it is too late to change. But if MLSN stays BY, they will soon be gone. Yeah some of these may be smaller clubs who cant create their own feeder league. And yeah, these might not be the top clubs. But there will be a lot of them. And that would be a whole lot of $$ gone

NOPE

The only reason MLSN might want to run a SY league in whatever from it might happen. Is so ECNL and other leagues have an easy way to switch to MLSN/GA. MLS needs to make on boarding as easy as possible. Once clubs are under the umbrella they can create a BY team.

You make no sense. Is this MLSN guy again

No, it’s the guy who doesn’t know how mlsnext is structured.

I know how MLS Next is structured

What needs to happen is for MLS to create a seperate 2nd Tier league that is SY that basically mirrors ECNL. Thhis is what clubs want. They want the to be associated with MLS but they dont want all the hassle of fielding a highly competitive team.

Fine, split the league into a 1st tier thats BY and a 2nd tier thats SY. The different leagues can still play each other at events. Its just that one or the other will need to play up 6 months. But with biobanding whats the difference?

They already have two tiers. Biobanding does not address this and that’s been discussed before. The league does not want to go SY, it is the clubs that want to go SY. Have you looked at a map of the location of mlsnext clubs? Are you aware of the travel involved? There won’t be enough clubs who want to stay BY to make your idea work, staying BY is a headache the majority of clubs don’t want to deal with.

No good player wants to do biobanding. Our team has a biobanding player. He switched to ECNL team after 8 league games. So to stay in BY, but make SY team by pushing Q3/Q4 down to biobanding will not work.

[Anonymous]

Why would any kid want to skip a year. It’s developmental suicide.

Every country in the world does SY some just start happen to start their SY on Jan 1.

For whatever reason we are the only country in the Fing world who cut their SY in half and used Jan 1 thinking we were doing the same thing…..

We did something really stupid and our stupid prize was having the worst senior teams we have fielded in 30 years!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would any kid want to skip a year. It’s developmental suicide.

Every country in the world does SY some just start happen to start their SY on Jan 1.

For whatever reason we are the only country in the Fing world who cut their SY in half and used Jan 1 thinking we were doing the same thing…..

We did something really stupid and our stupid prize was having the worst senior teams we have fielded in 30 years!

BY is used by ALL European countries other than England.

Many countries in Europe define grade in school by BY even though the school year might start in Aug or Sept.

[Anonymous]

Most don’t. Name 3 that do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would any kid want to skip a year. It’s developmental suicide.

Every country in the world does SY some just start happen to start their SY on Jan 1.

For whatever reason we are the only country in the Fing world who cut their SY in half and used Jan 1 thinking we were doing the same thing…..

We did something really stupid and our stupid prize was having the worst senior teams we have fielded in 30 years!

Doing pretty good tonight, at least.

[Anonymous]

In Belgium, all children in a classroom are born in the same year (for instance, 2010). So the youngest child is born in December (2010) and the oldest is born in January (2010).