Are you against having students attend to your birth alongside the doctor?

[Anonymous]

I like students because I want good doctors but they can only watch and learn. For birth and for other visits. I’ll indulge conversation but no touching or treating. Each time I’m very clear about this - I also had the attending do my epidurals. A student held my hand and that was nice but an exception. They have to learn and observe and understand how to deal with things. These people will treat me and my grown children when it’s their turn. But no touching haha that’s just my rule.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're not OK with med students, interns, or residents at births, I can only assume you're OK with your OB having no experience when they deliver your baby

No. That’s not a reasonable assumption, but you already knew that.

np but why not?

Because thats not how consent works.

It's how medical training works. It's how teacher training works, too.

"But you already knew that" poster also knows this but is somehow special, I guess?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I found by the end of labor I generally dgaf about anything anymore because I was just over it.

Same. I'm pretty modest (change in stalls instead of out in the open at the gym, for example) but at the hospital for both my kids I truly didn't care. No modesty in childbirth. I had complicated everything and there were a bazillion people in the room. I didn't ask for their diplomas.

I probably wouldn't love the idea of someone using me as their first test case for an epidural but that's about it. I had a resident (May birth and I think she was pretty late in residency too so basically fully-cooked) do my forceps delivery and the kid came out without a scratch on him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I found by the end of labor I generally dgaf about anything anymore because I was just over it.

Same. I'm pretty modest (change in stalls instead of out in the open at the gym, for example) but at the hospital for both my kids I truly didn't care. No modesty in childbirth. I had complicated everything and there were a bazillion people in the room. I didn't ask for their diplomas.

I probably wouldn't love the idea of someone using me as their first test case for an epidural but that's about it. I had a resident (May birth and I think she was pretty late in residency too so basically fully-cooked) do my forceps delivery and the kid came out without a scratch on him.

100%

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My siblings are physicians, they have to learn somehow. You can ask for them to observe and not participate if you're not comfortable with them being hands on, but please allow them in the room.

Exactly. Why would anyone be against students being present?

Privacy, preference, not being uncompensated teaching materials, students attitudes as referenced elsewhere in the thread, disliking crowded rooms, and candidly because someone being in the delivery room who’s interests are wholly selfish — not the mother or the child — is pretty gross anyway.

Is it gross if they are present for poor people's deliveries instead of yours, or is that not gross because that's where they should be doing the learning instead of with you?

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Anonymous wrote:My siblings are physicians, they have to learn somehow. You can ask for them to observe and not participate if you're not comfortable with them being hands on, but please allow them in the room.

If your siblings are physicians I hope they’re more respectful of patients than you are. “Have to learn somehow” doesn’t mean women are obliged to be their teaching materials.

NP— you’re really looking to be offended, aren’t you?
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NP
Agree

- Mom of future OB/GYN 🩷

Tell your future OB/GYN child that their predecessors have abused women to the point that med students are no longer trusted. Even medical students were whistleblowers.

One of the many reasons our child wants to become an OB/GYN.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My siblings are physicians, they have to learn somehow. You can ask for them to observe and not participate if you're not comfortable with them being hands on, but please allow them in the room.

Exactly. Why would anyone be against students being present?

Privacy, preference, not being uncompensated teaching materials, students attitudes as referenced elsewhere in the thread, disliking crowded rooms, and candidly because someone being in the delivery room who’s interests are wholly selfish — not the mother or the child — is pretty gross anyway.

Is it gross if they are present for poor people's deliveries instead of yours, or is that not gross because that's where they should be doing the learning instead of with you?

They should be learning on people who are being compensated— either with free medical care or with money. My insurance doesn’t shell out $50,000 for me to be instructional material for someone in the room hoping something “cool” (i.e dangerous to me or my child) happens so they can see it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're not OK with med students, interns, or residents at births, I can only assume you're OK with your OB having no experience when they deliver your baby

No. That’s not a reasonable assumption, but you already knew that.

np but why not?

Because thats not how consent works.

It's how medical training works. It's how teacher training works, too.

"But you already knew that" poster also knows this but is somehow special, I guess?

If you’ve done medical training you know informed consent is a not insignificant part of the practice of medicine. Hearing “no” is an important part of their training. Glad to help them learn this critical lesson early.