Yale has an initial culling of applications; does anyone know the SAT/ACT cutoff?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yale admits 1600 students from this year. About 50% go to athletes, international (they want 15% or so), legacies, development cases, arts/drama/musicians/etc.

You are left with 800 seats for non-hooked US students.

There are 30,000 high schools in USA including 18000 public that are ranked by US news and 5000 private.

Take out 2/3 of the high schools as not competitive.

You are still left with 10,000 HS. If you say on average about 5 students are going to have the rigor and grades and scores, that is 50,000 students who think they have a shot at HYPSM.

Say 50% of these apply to Yale. That is 25,000 students who have the GPA, rigor and very high test scores.

You can make whatever adjustments you think are reasonable, but you end up with 10+ students for every available spot.

AO's are not lying when they say they can fill out the class 5x times with qualified students.

So 2/3 of students are unqualified according to you simply because of their zoned high school. Wowsers. This is tragic, no?

I am not saying that. Just that, even if you assume very conservatively if that is the case, you get so many qualified students. This gives us a minimum number of highly qualified students and the real number is going to be much higher because we know there are going to be many highly qualified students in these other 20,000 HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yale admits 1600 students from this year. About 50% go to athletes, international (they want 15% or so), legacies, development cases, arts/drama/musicians/etc.

You are left with 800 seats for non-hooked US students.

There are 30,000 high schools in USA including 18000 public that are ranked by US news and 5000 private.

Take out 2/3 of the high schools as not competitive.

You are still left with 10,000 HS. If you say on average about 5 students are going to have the rigor and grades and scores, that is 50,000 students who think they have a shot at HYPSM.

Say 50% of these apply to Yale. That is 25,000 students who have the GPA, rigor and very high test scores.

You can make whatever adjustments you think are reasonable, but you end up with 10+ students for every available spot.

AO's are not lying when they say they can fill out the class 5x times with qualified students.

So 2/3 of students are unqualified according to you simply because of their zoned high school. Wowsers. This is tragic, no?

There was nothing tragic about not getting into Yale University. They have limited spots and they actually did increase the class size about a decade ago. There are also thousands of other institutions of higher learning and its tragic that someone would complain going to another one of them instead of yale.

There are very real reasons the selective schools don't accept kids from high schools they don't have experience with/knowledge of- they can't assess. Look at the great results when they do, Yale admitted a con artist from "North Dakota". . .

[Anonymous]

T10 has like 17000 spots and we have only 9000 that are open to non-hooked US students.

So you have more than 10x highly qualified students (near perfect GPA, max rigor and nearly perfect scores) than spots. That is what makes culling easy for AO's.

If you can get near perfect GPA AND max rigor AND nearly perfect score, and you have to cull 9 of them to get 1. Why even bother looking at anyone who does not meet these criteria.

AO's are humans and this is one way to make their life easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yale admits 1600 students from this year. About 50% go to athletes, international (they want 15% or so), legacies, development cases, arts/drama/musicians/etc.

You are left with 800 seats for non-hooked US students.

There are 30,000 high schools in USA including 18000 public that are ranked by US news and 5000 private.

Take out 2/3 of the high schools as not competitive.

You are still left with 10,000 HS. If you say on average about 5 students are going to have the rigor and grades and scores, that is 50,000 students who think they have a shot at HYPSM.

Say 50% of these apply to Yale. That is 25,000 students who have the GPA, rigor and very high test scores.

You can make whatever adjustments you think are reasonable, but you end up with 10+ students for every available spot.

AO's are not lying when they say they can fill out the class 5x times with qualified students.

Those are the applicants who need a 1550+ on the SAT. Yale's 75%i is 1560. There are not that many scorers, so your math is off a bit. Legacies have slightly lower SAT's, athletes definitely have lower SATs, arts/drama/developmental cases also have on balance lower SAT scores.

So the unhooked, white/Asian applicant needs to come in with a 1550 or more on the SAT. There are fewer than 25,000 of those in the US. Even if half of all scorers submit to Yale, that is only 12,500 applicants with an SAT above 1550.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yale admits 1600 students from this year. About 50% go to athletes, international (they want 15% or so), legacies, development cases, arts/drama/musicians/etc.

You are left with 800 seats for non-hooked US students.

There are 30,000 high schools in USA including 18000 public that are ranked by US news and 5000 private.

Take out 2/3 of the high schools as not competitive.

You are still left with 10,000 HS. If you say on average about 5 students are going to have the rigor and grades and scores, that is 50,000 students who think they have a shot at HYPSM.

Say 50% of these apply to Yale. That is 25,000 students who have the GPA, rigor and very high test scores.

You can make whatever adjustments you think are reasonable, but you end up with 10+ students for every available spot.

AO's are not lying when they say they can fill out the class 5x times with qualified students.

So 2/3 of students are unqualified according to you simply because of their zoned high school. Wowsers. This is tragic, no?

There was nothing tragic about not getting into Yale University. They have limited spots and they actually did increase the class size about a decade ago. There are also thousands of other institutions of higher learning and its tragic that someone would complain going to another one of them instead of yale.

There are very real reasons the selective schools don't accept kids from high schools they don't have experience with/knowledge of- they can't assess. Look at the great results when they do, Yale admitted a con artist from "North Dakota". . .

Which was a highly unusual failure which is why it got publicity. If it happened all the time it would not be notable.

In any case there's many thousands of bright students and there's many places for them to go get a higher education. Obviously Yale or any other institution of higher learning and not take on the education of every bright high school student that graduates every year.

[Anonymous]

Princeton admitted a student from deep south. He was supposed to be the best student ever from that county in decades.

The student ended up in rehab as he could not keep up with the rigor that other classmates who are used to that in HS. You can look this up.

[Anonymous]

Yale admits 2100 students per year, not 1600.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yale admits 1600 students from this year. About 50% go to athletes, international (they want 15% or so), legacies, development cases, arts/drama/musicians/etc.

You are left with 800 seats for non-hooked US students.

There are 30,000 high schools in USA including 18000 public that are ranked by US news and 5000 private.

Take out 2/3 of the high schools as not competitive.

You are still left with 10,000 HS. If you say on average about 5 students are going to have the rigor and grades and scores, that is 50,000 students who think they have a shot at HYPSM.

Say 50% of these apply to Yale. That is 25,000 students who have the GPA, rigor and very high test scores.

You can make whatever adjustments you think are reasonable, but you end up with 10+ students for every available spot.

AO's are not lying when they say they can fill out the class 5x times with qualified students.

Those are the applicants who need a 1550+ on the SAT. Yale's 75%i is 1560. There are not that many scorers, so your math is off a bit. Legacies have slightly lower SAT's, athletes definitely have lower SATs, arts/drama/developmental cases also have on balance lower SAT scores.

So the unhooked, white/Asian applicant needs to come in with a 1550 or more on the SAT. There are fewer than 25,000 of those in the US. Even if half of all scorers submit to Yale, that is only 12,500 applicants with an SAT above 1550.

You cannot look at superscorers in a particular year. When you take superscored students over multiple years (they could have taken in 10th, 11th or 12th grade), the number of superscores over 1550 is going to be much larger than 1550.

Just TJ has a mean SAT score of 1530 among 500 students.

We do not have the numbers but I would guess it is way more than 25000 students who have 1550 or more. And then you need to take into account ACT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yale admits 2100 students per year, not 1600.

No. 1610 undergrads this year including transfers. This is what yale president, Maurie McInnis, said in her speech welcoming incoming students. This is also the newsletter mentioned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yale admits 2100 students per year, not 1600.

No. 1610 undergrads this year including transfers. This is what yale president, Maurie McInnis, said in her speech welcoming incoming students. This is also the newsletter mentioned.

That’s how many attend. Not how many are admitted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pre-pandemic, I was an alum interviewer for Penn, back when they tried to guarantee an interview for every applicant. One of my interviewees was a young man who I met at a Starbucks in a neighboring town. He told me his Dad was tired of him doing nothing with his life, and had forced him to apply to a bunch of Ivy league schools. He worked part-time at a warehouse distribution center, his primary activity outside of work was playing video games and partying with his friends, and he had graduated from high school two years earlier with a 2.5 GPA and bare minimum state-required classes. He volunteered all this info, as an interviewer I didn't see grades or any application detail. He was very nice, but I left the meeting wondering why my Alma mater wasted an hour or 2 of my time. With Yale's name recognition, I am sure they have way more applicants like this than Penn. Probably very easy to make a first cut.

Uh, because Yale runs alumni interviews to get YOU, the alum, involved so you will feel empowered and give more money. All Ivies do this for this reason. The interviews mean nothing. Your report back to Yale means nothing (they say it does, but it doesn't). Everyone knows this. I did it for Harvard. It's all about marketing you.

The point was that I met a wildly unprepared applicant, who had a 0% chance of getting into the school. I am sure there are a great many of these applicants that Yale is now dispensing with right away.

I would have been annoyed about this as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Princeton admitted a student from deep south. He was supposed to be the best student ever from that county in decades.

The student ended up in rehab as he could not keep up with the rigor that other classmates who are used to that in HS. You can look this up.

Ok that's one student. I can think of several similar students off the top of my head who did great at HYP. They were my classmates so I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Princeton admitted a student from deep south. He was supposed to be the best student ever from that county in decades.

The student ended up in rehab as he could not keep up with the rigor that other classmates who are used to that in HS. You can look this up.

Ok that's one student. I can think of several similar students off the top of my head who did great at HYP. They were my classmates so I know.

The point is from a relatively unknown HS, AO's tend to be a lot more hesitant to avoid these kinds of issues. If a HS is very familiar like say the top 50 HS's then this is not even a factor if they have all the right metrics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yale admits 2100 students per year, not 1600.

No. 1610 undergrads this year including transfers. This is what yale president, Maurie McInnis, said in her speech welcoming incoming students. This is also the newsletter mentioned.

That’s how many attend. Not how many are admitted.

You are right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pre-pandemic, I was an alum interviewer for Penn, back when they tried to guarantee an interview for every applicant. One of my interviewees was a young man who I met at a Starbucks in a neighboring town. He told me his Dad was tired of him doing nothing with his life, and had forced him to apply to a bunch of Ivy league schools. He worked part-time at a warehouse distribution center, his primary activity outside of work was playing video games and partying with his friends, and he had graduated from high school two years earlier with a 2.5 GPA and bare minimum state-required classes. He volunteered all this info, as an interviewer I didn't see grades or any application detail. He was very nice, but I left the meeting wondering why my Alma mater wasted an hour or 2 of my time. With Yale's name recognition, I am sure they have way more applicants like this than Penn. Probably very easy to make a first cut.

Uh, because Yale runs alumni interviews to get YOU, the alum, involved so you will feel empowered and give more money. All Ivies do this for this reason. The interviews mean nothing. Your report back to Yale means nothing (they say it does, but it doesn't). Everyone knows this. I did it for Harvard. It's all about marketing you.

The point was that I met a wildly unprepared applicant, who had a 0% chance of getting into the school. I am sure there are a great many of these applicants that Yale is now dispensing with right away.

I would have been annoyed about this as well.

Be annoyed with the parents. I don't know what percentage of applications go into elite colleges that are there because the parents tell the kids to send it in but it has to be a decent percentage.