Is Gonzaga the it school this year for boys?

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Anonymous wrote:Considering Gonzaga for our DS, but are concerned about the commute time since we are in Chevy Chase, MD. I was looking at their college decisions instagram page (which is pretty impressive btw) and noticed a fair number of students are listed as coming from CC or Bethesda. Do most take the metro? Plugging it into GoogleMaps it shows almost an hour one way. Wondering if someone with experience with this commute could speak to this.

We drive from West McLean, about 35 minutes each way, although the Metro is a great option as well. Hopefully others report about the MD commute. I do know a lot of boys form carpools and by junior year many are driving every day (for better or worse!).

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Anonymous wrote:Considering Gonzaga for our DS, but are concerned about the commute time since we are in Chevy Chase, MD. I was looking at their college decisions instagram page (which is pretty impressive btw) and noticed a fair number of students are listed as coming from CC or Bethesda. Do most take the metro? Plugging it into GoogleMaps it shows almost an hour one way. Wondering if someone with experience with this commute could speak to this.

Could you post the link to the college decisions page? Apparently I stink at finding it.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

Nah, we’re “Catholic for the in-parish tuition” level Catholics and think Jesuit schools (I’ll speak to Gonzaga/BC) really teach the idea of looking out for and learning about others in a way you probably don’t get at your grassy knoll privates. I’m sure no one misses us at Princeton, etc., but people look for different things.

I work at Georgetown’s med school and “the idea of looking out for and learning about others” is very important. I deeply admire what I have learned about Jesuit education since working there and believe that one of the things the Jesuits do best is preparing students to be good people and to prioritize caring for others in a difficult world.

Mileage may vary… I.e. Ken Cuccinelli

Yeah, well, he didn't attend the med school. So.

You were talking about Jesuit education not med school.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Umm it’s private…I think what you mean is it’s not an independent school (like SR and GP) but rather is a parish school/ associated with a church.

It is not a parish school.

It’s literally connected to a church…

The church is only active for the school. It is not a church with a parish community beyond the school. So it is not supported by a parish community.

Cool. It's still a Catholic Church school.

I'm not knocking it, I'd send my kids there, but it's not the same as an independent private school.

Gonzaga, St. John’s and Good counsel are all independent. Damatha might be also I can’t remember.

That is their legal starting.

Perhaps you have a different definition.

The legal starting is four members of the Jesuit order on the board of trustees and a Jesuit priest as the headmaster. It's a Catholic school... not sure where you're going with this. It's a great education, unreal sports and I'd be happy to let my kids go there because, despite it being a catholic school, many non-catholics choose to go there and have a great experience.

Board of Trustees

https://www.gonzaga.org/about/board-of-trustees

Headmaster

https://www.gonzaga.org/academics/headmasters-welcome

I’m not going anywhere with it. I’m explaining the definition of private school versus independent school to you because you clearly don’t understand it.

Well, this subtle distinction between a private school and an independent school has to do with the legal structure of each, how they are governed, and how they are funded. An independent school has a truly independent board of trustees that oversees the school's operation, while a private school can theoretically be part of another entity, such as a for profit corporation or a not for profit organization such as a church or synagogue

You just proved that Gonzaga is independent. The fact it has a specific board of trustees dedicated only to this school means it is independent. You are confusing schools that are governed by the Archdiocese of Washington. Those tend to be the "parish" schools, and the curriculum and all the regulations are managed at the Archdiocese level. Gonzaga is independent.

The cool thing about the Catholic church is that it's, well, the Catholic church. It has parishes, it has orders, etc but at the end of the day, it's the Catholic church. People have very exhaustively proven that Gonzaga isn't connected to any parish. Cool.

Four members of the board are required to be from the Jesuit order. The headmaster is a Jesuit. Guess what the Jesuit order is part of... (hint: it's not a local parish, so you don't need to guess that!)

Even better, when the school was accused of discriminating against a former teacher in 2017, the school used (in part) the "ministerial exception", and the school's lawyers argued that the ex-teacher couldn't sue because:

"Moreover, as a teacher, it is clear that Plaintiff was a representative of the Catholic school,
was required to convey the Church’s message and carry out its mission. It would be absurd to
determine that a teacher of a Catholic school, tasked with the job duties of educating its students
of the Church’s teachings and beliefs, is not a “minister” for the purposes of the “ministerial
exception.” Therefore, because Plaintiff qualifies as a “minister” of the Catholic faith, his claims
alleging racial discrimination and retaliation are barred by the “ministerial exception,” and must
be dismissed with prejudice. "

So... yeah, it's part of the Catholic church. (They won that case, though not on the ministerial exception grounds—the appeals court declined to settle that one, but I think if the school SAYS its part of the Catholic church, we should believe them.)

And it’s independent

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Anonymous wrote:Considering Gonzaga for our DS, but are concerned about the commute time since we are in Chevy Chase, MD. I was looking at their college decisions instagram page (which is pretty impressive btw) and noticed a fair number of students are listed as coming from CC or Bethesda. Do most take the metro? Plugging it into GoogleMaps it shows almost an hour one way. Wondering if someone with experience with this commute could speak to this.

Could you post the link to the college decisions page? Apparently I stink at finding it.

DS is graduating from Gonzaga this year and going to one of the private “new ivies” 😉 I can say that many of his friends will decide Wednesday which true ivy they will attend. And many of them will not submit their info to the ig page.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Umm it’s private…I think what you mean is it’s not an independent school (like SR and GP) but rather is a parish school/ associated with a church.

It is not a parish school.

It’s literally connected to a church…

The church is only active for the school. It is not a church with a parish community beyond the school. So it is not supported by a parish community.

Cool. It's still a Catholic Church school.

I'm not knocking it, I'd send my kids there, but it's not the same as an independent private school.

Gonzaga, St. John’s and Good counsel are all independent. Damatha might be also I can’t remember.

That is their legal starting.

Perhaps you have a different definition.

The legal starting is four members of the Jesuit order on the board of trustees and a Jesuit priest as the headmaster. It's a Catholic school... not sure where you're going with this. It's a great education, unreal sports and I'd be happy to let my kids go there because, despite it being a catholic school, many non-catholics choose to go there and have a great experience.

Board of Trustees

https://www.gonzaga.org/about/board-of-trustees

Headmaster

https://www.gonzaga.org/academics/headmasters-welcome

I’m not going anywhere with it. I’m explaining the definition of private school versus independent school to you because you clearly don’t understand it.

Well, this subtle distinction between a private school and an independent school has to do with the legal structure of each, how they are governed, and how they are funded. An independent school has a truly independent board of trustees that oversees the school's operation, while a private school can theoretically be part of another entity, such as a for profit corporation or a not for profit organization such as a church or synagogue

You just proved that Gonzaga is independent. The fact it has a specific board of trustees dedicated only to this school means it is independent. You are confusing schools that are governed by the Archdiocese of Washington. Those tend to be the "parish" schools, and the curriculum and all the regulations are managed at the Archdiocese level. Gonzaga is independent.

The cool thing about the Catholic church is that it's, well, the Catholic church. It has parishes, it has orders, etc but at the end of the day, it's the Catholic church. People have very exhaustively proven that Gonzaga isn't connected to any parish. Cool.

Four members of the board are required to be from the Jesuit order. The headmaster is a Jesuit. Guess what the Jesuit order is part of... (hint: it's not a local parish, so you don't need to guess that!)

Even better, when the school was accused of discriminating against a former teacher in 2017, the school used (in part) the "ministerial exception", and the school's lawyers argued that the ex-teacher couldn't sue because:

"Moreover, as a teacher, it is clear that Plaintiff was a representative of the Catholic school,
was required to convey the Church’s message and carry out its mission. It would be absurd to
determine that a teacher of a Catholic school, tasked with the job duties of educating its students
of the Church’s teachings and beliefs, is not a “minister” for the purposes of the “ministerial
exception.” Therefore, because Plaintiff qualifies as a “minister” of the Catholic faith, his claims
alleging racial discrimination and retaliation are barred by the “ministerial exception,” and must
be dismissed with prejudice. "

So... yeah, it's part of the Catholic church. (They won that case, though not on the ministerial exception grounds—the appeals court declined to settle that one, but I think if the school SAYS its part of the Catholic church, we should believe them.)

LOL you went to a lot of trouble to tell me Gonzaga is part of the Catholic church?

There are lots of independent schools that are associated with the Catholic faith. They are independent because they have their own curriculum which is not dictated by any the archdiocese. Being a Catholic school means you include teachings of the Catholic faith, have Masses, and operate in a manner that instills morals of the Catholic faith. That can be achieved in any number of ways that the independent school is free to decide.

Schools that operate under the ADW are not independent and have to conform to their curriculum and rules. There are only two high schools in the ADW. The rest in the DC/MD area are all independent.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems everyone I speak to is going there next year or applying. Is it that great?

What’s a Gonzaga?

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Umm it’s private…I think what you mean is it’s not an independent school (like SR and GP) but rather is a parish school/ associated with a church.

It is not a parish school.

It’s literally connected to a church…

The church is only active for the school. It is not a church with a parish community beyond the school. So it is not supported by a parish community.

Cool. It's still a Catholic Church school.

I'm not knocking it, I'd send my kids there, but it's not the same as an independent private school.

Gonzaga, St. John’s and Good counsel are all independent. Damatha might be also I can’t remember.

That is their legal starting.

Perhaps you have a different definition.

The legal starting is four members of the Jesuit order on the board of trustees and a Jesuit priest as the headmaster. It's a Catholic school... not sure where you're going with this. It's a great education, unreal sports and I'd be happy to let my kids go there because, despite it being a catholic school, many non-catholics choose to go there and have a great experience.

Board of Trustees

https://www.gonzaga.org/about/board-of-trustees

Headmaster

https://www.gonzaga.org/academics/headmasters-welcome

I’m not going anywhere with it. I’m explaining the definition of private school versus independent school to you because you clearly don’t understand it.

Well, this subtle distinction between a private school and an independent school has to do with the legal structure of each, how they are governed, and how they are funded. An independent school has a truly independent board of trustees that oversees the school's operation, while a private school can theoretically be part of another entity, such as a for profit corporation or a not for profit organization such as a church or synagogue

You just proved that Gonzaga is independent. The fact it has a specific board of trustees dedicated only to this school means it is independent. You are confusing schools that are governed by the Archdiocese of Washington. Those tend to be the "parish" schools, and the curriculum and all the regulations are managed at the Archdiocese level. Gonzaga is independent.

The cool thing about the Catholic church is that it's, well, the Catholic church. It has parishes, it has orders, etc but at the end of the day, it's the Catholic church. People have very exhaustively proven that Gonzaga isn't connected to any parish. Cool.

Four members of the board are required to be from the Jesuit order. The headmaster is a Jesuit. Guess what the Jesuit order is part of... (hint: it's not a local parish, so you don't need to guess that!)

Even better, when the school was accused of discriminating against a former teacher in 2017, the school used (in part) the "ministerial exception", and the school's lawyers argued that the ex-teacher couldn't sue because:

"Moreover, as a teacher, it is clear that Plaintiff was a representative of the Catholic school,
was required to convey the Church’s message and carry out its mission. It would be absurd to
determine that a teacher of a Catholic school, tasked with the job duties of educating its students
of the Church’s teachings and beliefs, is not a “minister” for the purposes of the “ministerial
exception.” Therefore, because Plaintiff qualifies as a “minister” of the Catholic faith, his claims
alleging racial discrimination and retaliation are barred by the “ministerial exception,” and must
be dismissed with prejudice. "

So... yeah, it's part of the Catholic church. (They won that case, though not on the ministerial exception grounds—the appeals court declined to settle that one, but I think if the school SAYS its part of the Catholic church, we should believe them.)

LOL you went to a lot of trouble to tell me Gonzaga is part of the Catholic church?

There are lots of independent schools that are associated with the Catholic faith. They are independent because they have their own curriculum which is not dictated by any the archdiocese. Being a Catholic school means you include teachings of the Catholic faith, have Masses, and operate in a manner that instills morals of the Catholic faith. That can be achieved in any number of ways that the independent school is free to decide.

Schools that operate under the ADW are not independent and have to conform to their curriculum and rules. There are only two high schools in the ADW. The rest in the DC/MD area are all independent.

It's a Catholic school! Glad we agree!

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Umm it’s private…I think what you mean is it’s not an independent school (like SR and GP) but rather is a parish school/ associated with a church.

It is not a parish school.

It’s literally connected to a church…

The church is only active for the school. It is not a church with a parish community beyond the school. So it is not supported by a parish community.

Cool. It's still a Catholic Church school.

I'm not knocking it, I'd send my kids there, but it's not the same as an independent private school.

Gonzaga, St. John’s and Good counsel are all independent. Damatha might be also I can’t remember.

That is their legal starting.

Perhaps you have a different definition.

The legal starting is four members of the Jesuit order on the board of trustees and a Jesuit priest as the headmaster. It's a Catholic school... not sure where you're going with this. It's a great education, unreal sports and I'd be happy to let my kids go there because, despite it being a catholic school, many non-catholics choose to go there and have a great experience.

Board of Trustees

https://www.gonzaga.org/about/board-of-trustees

Headmaster

https://www.gonzaga.org/academics/headmasters-welcome

I’m not going anywhere with it. I’m explaining the definition of private school versus independent school to you because you clearly don’t understand it.

Well, this subtle distinction between a private school and an independent school has to do with the legal structure of each, how they are governed, and how they are funded. An independent school has a truly independent board of trustees that oversees the school's operation, while a private school can theoretically be part of another entity, such as a for profit corporation or a not for profit organization such as a church or synagogue

You just proved that Gonzaga is independent. The fact it has a specific board of trustees dedicated only to this school means it is independent. You are confusing schools that are governed by the Archdiocese of Washington. Those tend to be the "parish" schools, and the curriculum and all the regulations are managed at the Archdiocese level. Gonzaga is independent.

The cool thing about the Catholic church is that it's, well, the Catholic church. It has parishes, it has orders, etc but at the end of the day, it's the Catholic church. People have very exhaustively proven that Gonzaga isn't connected to any parish. Cool.

Four members of the board are required to be from the Jesuit order. The headmaster is a Jesuit. Guess what the Jesuit order is part of... (hint: it's not a local parish, so you don't need to guess that!)

Even better, when the school was accused of discriminating against a former teacher in 2017, the school used (in part) the "ministerial exception", and the school's lawyers argued that the ex-teacher couldn't sue because:

"Moreover, as a teacher, it is clear that Plaintiff was a representative of the Catholic school,
was required to convey the Church’s message and carry out its mission. It would be absurd to
determine that a teacher of a Catholic school, tasked with the job duties of educating its students
of the Church’s teachings and beliefs, is not a “minister” for the purposes of the “ministerial
exception.” Therefore, because Plaintiff qualifies as a “minister” of the Catholic faith, his claims
alleging racial discrimination and retaliation are barred by the “ministerial exception,” and must
be dismissed with prejudice. "

So... yeah, it's part of the Catholic church. (They won that case, though not on the ministerial exception grounds—the appeals court declined to settle that one, but I think if the school SAYS its part of the Catholic church, we should believe them.)

LOL you went to a lot of trouble to tell me Gonzaga is part of the Catholic church?

There are lots of independent schools that are associated with the Catholic faith. They are independent because they have their own curriculum which is not dictated by any the archdiocese. Being a Catholic school means you include teachings of the Catholic faith, have Masses, and operate in a manner that instills morals of the Catholic faith. That can be achieved in any number of ways that the independent school is free to decide.

Schools that operate under the ADW are not independent and have to conform to their curriculum and rules. There are only two high schools in the ADW. The rest in the DC/MD area are all independent.

It's a Catholic school! Glad we agree!

And StA is episcopal.

[Anonymous]

Obviously not all kids have posted yet (and many won’t post at all), but here’s the link to the 2024 decisions page:

https://www.instagram.com/gonzagaseniors_2024?igsh=ZXE4Zjc4bHp0dDR1

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Umm it’s private…I think what you mean is it’s not an independent school (like SR and GP) but rather is a parish school/ associated with a church.

It is not a parish school.

It’s literally connected to a church…

The church is only active for the school. It is not a church with a parish community beyond the school. So it is not supported by a parish community.

Cool. It's still a Catholic Church school.

I'm not knocking it, I'd send my kids there, but it's not the same as an independent private school.

Gonzaga, St. John’s and Good counsel are all independent. Damatha might be also I can’t remember.

That is their legal starting.

Perhaps you have a different definition.

The legal starting is four members of the Jesuit order on the board of trustees and a Jesuit priest as the headmaster. It's a Catholic school... not sure where you're going with this. It's a great education, unreal sports and I'd be happy to let my kids go there because, despite it being a catholic school, many non-catholics choose to go there and have a great experience.

Board of Trustees

https://www.gonzaga.org/about/board-of-trustees

Headmaster

https://www.gonzaga.org/academics/headmasters-welcome

I’m not going anywhere with it. I’m explaining the definition of private school versus independent school to you because you clearly don’t understand it.

Well, this subtle distinction between a private school and an independent school has to do with the legal structure of each, how they are governed, and how they are funded. An independent school has a truly independent board of trustees that oversees the school's operation, while a private school can theoretically be part of another entity, such as a for profit corporation or a not for profit organization such as a church or synagogue

You just proved that Gonzaga is independent. The fact it has a specific board of trustees dedicated only to this school means it is independent. You are confusing schools that are governed by the Archdiocese of Washington. Those tend to be the "parish" schools, and the curriculum and all the regulations are managed at the Archdiocese level. Gonzaga is independent.

The cool thing about the Catholic church is that it's, well, the Catholic church. It has parishes, it has orders, etc but at the end of the day, it's the Catholic church. People have very exhaustively proven that Gonzaga isn't connected to any parish. Cool.

Four members of the board are required to be from the Jesuit order. The headmaster is a Jesuit. Guess what the Jesuit order is part of... (hint: it's not a local parish, so you don't need to guess that!)

Even better, when the school was accused of discriminating against a former teacher in 2017, the school used (in part) the "ministerial exception", and the school's lawyers argued that the ex-teacher couldn't sue because:

"Moreover, as a teacher, it is clear that Plaintiff was a representative of the Catholic school,
was required to convey the Church’s message and carry out its mission. It would be absurd to
determine that a teacher of a Catholic school, tasked with the job duties of educating its students
of the Church’s teachings and beliefs, is not a “minister” for the purposes of the “ministerial
exception.” Therefore, because Plaintiff qualifies as a “minister” of the Catholic faith, his claims
alleging racial discrimination and retaliation are barred by the “ministerial exception,” and must
be dismissed with prejudice. "

So... yeah, it's part of the Catholic church. (They won that case, though not on the ministerial exception grounds—the appeals court declined to settle that one, but I think if the school SAYS its part of the Catholic church, we should believe them.)

LOL you went to a lot of trouble to tell me Gonzaga is part of the Catholic church?

There are lots of independent schools that are associated with the Catholic faith. They are independent because they have their own curriculum which is not dictated by any the archdiocese. Being a Catholic school means you include teachings of the Catholic faith, have Masses, and operate in a manner that instills morals of the Catholic faith. That can be achieved in any number of ways that the independent school is free to decide.

Schools that operate under the ADW are not independent and have to conform to their curriculum and rules. There are only two high schools in the ADW. The rest in the DC/MD area are all independent.

It's a Catholic school! Glad we agree!

And it's independent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Considering Gonzaga for our DS, but are concerned about the commute time since we are in Chevy Chase, MD. I was looking at their college decisions instagram page (which is pretty impressive btw) and noticed a fair number of students are listed as coming from CC or Bethesda. Do most take the metro? Plugging it into GoogleMaps it shows almost an hour one way. Wondering if someone with experience with this commute could speak to this.

My DS graduated from Gonzaga a couple of years ago and we are in Virginia. Most of his friends were in carpools for the morning commute. There were 5 families in our carpool and we each drove in one day a week. We met in a parking lot that was centrally located for all of us and not too far from our homes. The boys took metro home because they all had different schedules: sports, volunteering after school, meeting with a teacher, clubs, etc. My DS started driving himself and one other person his junior year. I really enjoyed the two years I did carpool - it was fun to listen to the boys chatter/banter in the morning.

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Anonymous wrote:Considering Gonzaga for our DS, but are concerned about the commute time since we are in Chevy Chase, MD. I was looking at their college decisions instagram page (which is pretty impressive btw) and noticed a fair number of students are listed as coming from CC or Bethesda. Do most take the metro? Plugging it into GoogleMaps it shows almost an hour one way. Wondering if someone with experience with this commute could speak to this.

Could you post the link to the college decisions page? Apparently I stink at finding it.

DS is graduating from Gonzaga this year and going to one of the private “new ivies” 😉 I can say that many of his friends will decide Wednesday which true ivy they will attend. And many of them will not submit their info to the ig page.

The ig is self-reported. Of DS’s friend group, the kids going to the highest rated colleges have not/ will not post. And many are deciding on the May 1 deadline.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

I really dislike the “it” tag. Gonzaga has been around 200 years — it’s as in/out as it’s always been. For us, 3rd kid will graduate next month and he’s loved his experience and landed well in college placement. Similar experience to his uncle 40 years ago and his cousins scattered over the last 5-20 years. Boys should shadow and see if it feels right for them.