Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Anonymous wrote:I’m OP. Thanks, atheist pp, for repeatedly bumping this thread that demonstrates that the atheist mantra about why people attend religious services is completely wrong.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
I’m OP. I said very clearly that you guys make a false assertion about motivation for attending services all the time, and I wanted to put it to rest. Stop twisting what I said and go back and read my OP. Your obsession with a few words in just one of those threads is causing you to miss the big picture.
Also, 20:49 addresses the issue of cultural Christianity and shows you’re wrong about that, too. Do you have any rebuttals to that, or do you just want to keep arguing about where people read about Dawkins?
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
I’m OP. I said very clearly that you guys make a false assertion about motivation for attending services all the time, and I wanted to put it to rest. Stop twisting what I said and go back and read my OP. Your obsession with a few words in just one of those threads is causing you to miss the big picture.
Also, 20:49 addresses the issue of cultural Christianity and shows you’re wrong about that, too. Do you have any rebuttals to that, or do you just want to keep arguing about where people read about Dawkins?
Were you C?
A was sharing an opinion and B (me) agreed; nothing more. And I still do think that most people just go along with the routine without thinking about it. People are lemmings, haven’t you noticed? And polls are crap. Who even answers their phone these days?
Seems like DCUM reads about Dawkins on “Focus on the Family” newsletters and far right news sources. But they don’t want to admit it.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
I’m OP. I said very clearly that you guys make a false assertion about motivation for attending services all the time, and I wanted to put it to rest. Stop twisting what I said and go back and read my OP. Your obsession with a few words in just one of those threads is causing you to miss the big picture.
Also, 20:49 addresses the issue of cultural Christianity and shows you’re wrong about that, too. Do you have any rebuttals to that, or do you just want to keep arguing about where people read about Dawkins?
Were you C?
A was sharing an opinion and B (me) agreed; nothing more. And I still do think that most people just go along with the routine without thinking about it. People are lemmings, haven’t you noticed? And polls are crap. Who even answers their phone these days?
Seems like DCUM reads about Dawkins on “Focus on the Family” newsletters and far right news sources. But they don’t want to admit it.
And I have never commented on people going to services.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
I’m OP. I said very clearly that you guys make a false assertion about motivation for attending services all the time, and I wanted to put it to rest. Stop twisting what I said and go back and read my OP. Your obsession with a few words in just one of those threads is causing you to miss the big picture.
Also, 20:49 addresses the issue of cultural Christianity and shows you’re wrong about that, too. Do you have any rebuttals to that, or do you just want to keep arguing about where people read about Dawkins?
Were you C?
A was sharing an opinion and B (me) agreed; nothing more. And I still do think that most people just go along with the routine without thinking about it. People are lemmings, haven’t you noticed? And polls are crap. Who even answers their phone these days?
Seems like DCUM reads about Dawkins on “Focus on the Family” newsletters and far right news sources. But they don’t want to admit it.
I need a break from you. Read 20:49 about your lemmings claim being wrong, because obviously you haven’t read it yet. Your obsession with a single poster reading FOTF is exhausting. But congrats on being the first DCUM atheist to call Pew surveys crap, bc usually Pew is gospel (forgive me) to you guys.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
I’m OP. I said very clearly that you guys make a false assertion about motivation for attending services all the time, and I wanted to put it to rest. Stop twisting what I said and go back and read my OP. Your obsession with a few words in just one of those threads is causing you to miss the big picture.
Also, 20:49 addresses the issue of cultural Christianity and shows you’re wrong about that, too. Do you have any rebuttals to that, or do you just want to keep arguing about where people read about Dawkins?
Were you C?
A was sharing an opinion and B (me) agreed; nothing more. And I still do think that most people just go along with the routine without thinking about it. People are lemmings, haven’t you noticed? And polls are crap. Who even answers their phone these days?
Seems like DCUM reads about Dawkins on “Focus on the Family” newsletters and far right news sources. But they don’t want to admit it.
And I have never commented on people going to services.
You’re on a thread about why people go to services. Perhaps you’re lost and that explains why so many of your posts are OT.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
OP’s thread title and first post are extremely clear. She’s tackling something that goes beyond that other thread.
You’re the one misrepresenting what this thread is about. And apparently you’re the only one who doesn’t want to understand it, so you obsess about a few words in a single, different thread as a way of derailing this one. Sorry to be so blunt, but the only alternative is to question your reading comprehension.
Anonymous wrote:Here are some more interesting facts from that Pew survey.
The 81% number was from a question where respondents could choose multiple answers.
When respondents were asked to give the MOST important reason they attend religious services, 61% that was to get closer to God. Everything else was much lower, like the 8% who said it was to be a better person.
A tiny <1% said they attended "to meet new people/socialize." Hardly the "immense majority" claimed by some DCUM atheists.
I get that logic and facts must be tough for you, but that wasn’t what anyone claimed.
Here, verbatim, is what the "research scientist" claimed and which 2 of you plus-oned:
"I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not." When asked to back this up with cites, nobody did (or could).
So this thread gives cites from Pew, no less, showing that only a small percentage (under 4% total) attend religious services for the cultural or social aspects.
Explain to us how Pew findings aren't responsive. TIA!
You do realize that many, many people who are “culturally affiliated”, as PP states, do not attend services. I can’t believe you need that explained to you.
Here's an idea: if you make an assertion, provide some stats to back it up. Don't petulantly demand that others prove your points for you.
Stats on attendance at houses of worship do exist, if you could be arsed to look for them.
But if you take a closer look, you'll still be disappointed. According to that very same Pew link, of those who do not attend services, only 28% say that's because they don't believe. 37% say they practice their faith in other ways, and another 37% say they haven't found a house of worship they like. 22% say it's because of logistical reasons like time or being in poor health.
Lesson learned: read the link before making claims you can't be bothered to prove.
Practicing your faith in other ways could be as simple as exchanging Christmas presents or taking your kid to get a picture with a malll Santa. It's not mutually exclusive with PP's read that these people could consider themselves Cultural Christians.
You're very upset but the stats you have provided are not painting the picture you think they are. Only 61% of people who actually attend church say it's to be closer to God, and then of the people who don't attend church who were asked why, 37% chose the multiple choice answer closest to "none of your business." I'm not sure why you're reading this as "everyone really deeply believes the same things I do!"
I'm going to be your best friend tonight. It seems you have no idea how poorly you come off with the misrepresentations, misunderstandings, and calling others names.
Please take a breather. Come back when you've given your ideas a good, serious, think-through. Gather some facts and sources of your own. Your ideas aren't bad, but your execution undermines what you're trying to say.
Who called anyone names?
A bunch of atheist haters on the other thread called posters “trolls” anytime they couldn’t answer a question.
You're referring to posters not wanting to answer your completely irrelevant questions about their news sources. I finally answered with my sources, The Guardian and NY Times, and then you wanted to know which reporters. Miss me with that trolling.
There’s the name calling.
You aren’t reading about Dawkins on the guardian or NYT. Total BS.
Wut? The Guardian loves Dawkins.
Last article was 3 years ago…
Good Lord. This thread is about whether DCUM’s atheists are correct to assert that most people attend religious services “for the community.” And the very first OP links to a Pew survey that shows that’s massively false.
If you want to discuss coverage of Dawkins, that’s the other thread. And the only relevant coverage for that thread is the article OP linked to, about Dawkins’ relationship to cultural Christianity.
Your obsessive interest in where people read about Dawkins is both boring and irrelevant to both these threads.
Focus, people. This thread is about DCUM’s atheists constantly asserting that people only go to church for the socializing. Pew says no, was it 80% say they go to be closer to God.
Care to comment on the thread topic?
I’m just curious why religious people obsess over him and I haven’t received a legit answer yet. Just some BS.
I’m also curious why you have misrepresented the comment from the other thread. Here was the quote:
“ I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.”
Nothing about why people go to church.
Interesting how people “of faith” can’t have a good faith discussion. Just lots of misrepresentation and projection.
As OP said, this false fact—about Christians just going to church for the donuts and company—appears on DCUM all the time, not just in that other thread. But you’re picking just one of the gazillion atheist posts with that false fact, and then you’re choosing to focus on the narrow phrase “culturally affiliated” in that one particular thread. It’s almost like you want to miss the big picture.
FYI, someone handled the cultural affiliation thing a page or so ago, but apparently you didn’t read it.
People are talking about Dawkins because some OP started a thread about him and gave a link. Also, we’ve all heard about him, wherever we get our news. Why do we need an inquest on this, because why is this so hard to understand?
Also. You can’t write a single post without abuse, can you? You make atheists look bad.
OP misrepresented what was said on the other thread. It wasn’t about going to services at all.
The person who claims they hear about him a lot on the guardian and NYT was lying.
Are you the spokesperson for every single person who believes in god(s)? No. And I’m not the spokesperson for every single person who doesn’t.
It’s time you stop misrepresenting entire threads. Here’s what OP said. “So, the people going to churches, synagogues and mosques are not just there "for the community," as DCUM's atheists tell us on the daily, most recently today.”
So OP wasn’t just talking about that one thread, she was addressing some fake facts she sees a lot from DCUM’s atheists.
And wtf about being a spokesperson for anything. Nobody claimed that.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep and come back to this discussion tomorrow with a clearer view of what’s actually being said.
No, OP started this thread specifically to address comments in that thread. Comments that were misrepresented:
A: I bet that the immense majority of people in the world are CULTURALLY affiliated with their religion, but don't actually think deeply about whether they truly believe or not.
B: Agree
C: You're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. Pew says 94% of those who attend religious services do so because they want to become closer to God.
Thread title: s/o Do People Attend Religious Services for the Religious Aspects, or for Community?”
Could that be any clearer?
OP created the thread in response to that thread and misrepresented what was said.
I’m OP and I created a thread to respond to my thread title. This is actually very simple.
You either misunderstand or intentionally misrepresented what was said.
The thread title doesn’t even call out that other thread. The OP refers to that other thread only in passing, and very clearly states this is an issue in many threads.
What exactly is your problem?
I guess you didn’t read the other thread. OP clearly wanted to move that conversation over here, while twisting what was said.
My problem are posters like OP, who either fundamentally misunderstands a discussion or intentionally misrepresents it.
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