ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Getting the best players leads to wins and recruitment. Need the oldest and best players first. Full reset coming.

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

It's a weird situation. OP here about the U17 girls teams. My DD has said that they may continue to roster the younger girls on their team but drop them as needed to the younger team for certain games. IDK, that just seems silly. I'm not sure how much movement we are going to see from players that are outside the club right now. They have several -RL teams that can feed into her team and there hasn't been a ton of movement from those -RL clubs to the -NL club. And we're not in an area were there's a ton of club hopping either due to distance.

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Anonymous wrote:From M club
Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

So condescending… and still so wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:From M club
Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

It's a weird situation. OP here about the U17 girls teams. My DD has said that they may continue to roster the younger girls on their team but drop them as needed to the younger team for certain games. IDK, that just seems silly. I'm not sure how much movement we are going to see from players that are outside the club right now. They have several -RL teams that can feed into her team and there hasn't been a ton of movement from those -RL clubs to the -NL club. And we're not in an area were there's a ton of club hopping either due to distance.

Its because players are already BY and in the recruitment process with college coaches. Changing them to a different team would mean starting over from scratch for players and likely with a different number and youth coach.

Playing them down at tournaments and events but keeping them on the older teams makes sense because its a different group of recruiters and starting over with them isnt an issue.

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

So condescending… and still so wrong.

Exactly correct. You just dont understand it because your kid is either too young or not recruitable at the college level.

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN will be going to SY. and so is GA. McLean just announced townhall meeting of the changes.

MLSN2 or all of MLS?

Because that doesnt seem possible woth the pro teams.

Mclean is MLSN3, after MLS1 (MLS academies) and MLSN2, (P2P home fries), so still not clear on MLSN1 and MLS2.

What is MLS3? That's not a thing.

He thinks he is funny by maligning certain leagues

Even MLSN3 is a far superior league than anywhere else. People will flock to anything MLSN. dont you see? And not just anyone but the best players in the country. But if they do not keep their current age cutoff that potentially all goes away. They are a professional league for Gods sake!!! How could they ever operate with an age cutoff that resembles school year?? It just can’t happen and their international respect would take a big hit trust me! But either way they will ALWAYS get the best players and people will still flock to anything MLSN endorsed. How they didn’t start this league sooner no one will ever know!

If your kid has the talent and ability playing on the B tier will be boring. If they don't you'll keep doing the backhanded compliment thing. After a while you'll burn out and take the nasty demeanor somewhere else not realizing that everyone sees through it knowing that you're 100% jealous.

I don’t think I like your tone. And your insinuations are way off the mark! MLSN is our league!! and I hate when people try to act like it is not truly a professional league. It is in the name for crying out loud!!! The only jealousy I have is for my kid to play on the real deal pro academy MLSN teams. Wow! That is something to really brag about and if I had a kid there with a July birthday I would go on every forum telling people how superior MLSN is and how switching age groups is not feasible for them and they should not conform to the landscape. See how this works?

Many a psychologist would like you on their couch

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

It's a weird situation. OP here about the U17 girls teams. My DD has said that they may continue to roster the younger girls on their team but drop them as needed to the younger team for certain games. IDK, that just seems silly. I'm not sure how much movement we are going to see from players that are outside the club right now. They have several -RL teams that can feed into her team and there hasn't been a ton of movement from those -RL clubs to the -NL club. And we're not in an area were there's a ton of club hopping either due to distance.

We are in a unique situation but that is exactly the arrangement we want. Roster and practice up and play down.

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

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Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

So condescending… and still so wrong.

Exactly correct. You just dont understand it because your kid is either too young or not recruitable at the college level.

Wow, everyone on this forum is bottom of the barrel. Time to check out.

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN will be going to SY. and so is GA. McLean just announced townhall meeting of the changes.

MLSN2 or all of MLS?

Because that doesnt seem possible woth the pro teams.

Mclean is MLSN3, after MLS1 (MLS academies) and MLSN2, (P2P home fries), so still not clear on MLSN1 and MLS2.

What is MLS3? That's not a thing.

He thinks he is funny by maligning certain leagues

Even MLSN3 is a far superior league than anywhere else. People will flock to anything MLSN. dont you see? And not just anyone but the best players in the country. But if they do not keep their current age cutoff that potentially all goes away. They are a professional league for Gods sake!!! How could they ever operate with an age cutoff that resembles school year?? It just can’t happen and their international respect would take a big hit trust me! But either way they will ALWAYS get the best players and people will still flock to anything MLSN endorsed. How they didn’t start this league sooner no one will ever know!

If your kid has the talent and ability playing on the B tier will be boring. If they don't you'll keep doing the backhanded compliment thing. After a while you'll burn out and take the nasty demeanor somewhere else not realizing that everyone sees through it knowing that you're 100% jealous.

I don’t think I like your tone. And your insinuations are way off the mark! MLSN is our league!! and I hate when people try to act like it is not truly a professional league. It is in the name for crying out loud!!! The only jealousy I have is for my kid to play on the real deal pro academy MLSN teams. Wow! That is something to really brag about and if I had a kid there with a July birthday I would go on every forum telling people how superior MLSN is and how switching age groups is not feasible for them and they should not conform to the landscape. See how this works?

Many a psychologist would like you on their couch

Your psychologist has their hands full with you.

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

Sure, but the recruitment is going to be older now. Quality RL Aug-Dec kids get a recruitment bump being older and ECNL Jan-Jul get a slight anchor. That's what the fuss has been all about.

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

So condescending… and still so wrong.

Exactly correct. You just dont understand it because your kid is either too young or not recruitable at the college level.

Wow, everyone on this forum is bottom of the barrel. Time to check out.

Is it already time to drive your u9 to practice?

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

So condescending… and still so wrong.

Exactly correct. You just dont understand it because your kid is either too young or not recruitable at the college level.

Crazy August guy, MLSN top dog guy, and carlsbad7 all the same person.

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

Sure, but the recruitment is going to be older now. Quality RL Aug-Dec kids get a recruitment bump being older and ECNL Jan-Jul get a slight anchor. That's what the fuss has been all about.

That's not how it works. I realise you think everything is determined by when players were born. After a certain age (u14 for girls and u16) for boys theres not going to be a huge change in size. (usually) What's very different is speed of play at the A team level and B team level. Also you have to keep in mind that moving B team players to A teams from the same club doesnt mean more $$$ for clubs. For B team players you need to be standout and willing to change clubs if you want to play on an A team.