Have you sign-up for weekly asymptomatic testing at APS

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Anonymous wrote: There you have it folks. People don’t care if their kids have Covid as long as they can go to school. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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Anonymous wrote:This info from the Cleveland Clinic says you can continue to test positive on a PCR test even once you are no longer infectious

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diagnostics/21462-covid-19-and-pcr-testing
How long do you test positive after having had COVID-19?
Because the PCR test is so sensitive, it can detect very small amounts of virus material. This means that the test can continue to detect fragments of SARS-CoV-2 virus even after you’ve recovered from COVID-19 and are no longer contagious. So you may continue to test positive if you've had COVID-19 in the distant past, even though you can’t spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others.

It can detect post viral shedding but they can differentiate between that and an actual positive.

if that is true how come the CDC does not recommend testing nursing home residents until 90 days after a positive test: "Testing is not recommended for people who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection in the last 90 days if they remain asymptomatic, including if they have had close contact or a higher-risk exposure; this is because some people may be non-infectious but have detectable virus from their prior infection during this period (additional information is available)." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/long-term-care.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fhcp%2Fnursing-homes-testing.html

I am not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely asking.

I asked this question and was told it was not an issue, that the testers can differentiate between post viral shedding and actual infection. If this is the impediment to signing up - and you're not just looking for an excuse - why don't you ask the question yourself of the testing company?

Either they misunderstood the ? You misunderstood the answer, or they gave you misinformation. No pcr test can distinguish between post viral shedding and infectious disease. https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2606/pcr_test_patientflyer.pdf

hmm, who to trust? The people in charge of testing or a random internet dude/dudette who says they are wrong. Sounds like you have an agenda and are looking for an excuse not to sign up.

I mean. It’s really well established that a pcr test is looking for virus, and doesn’t distinguish between infectious or post viral shedding. This is why the cdc doesn’t recommend testing to decide when a ill person can end quarantine. I could post numerous links to that effect. I’m quite confident that aps has not come up with a new pcr test that in fact has the ability to distinguish between contagious covid and post viral. I’d they had, there would be much better uses for it. But you think they can and no amount of facts are going to convince you you are wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:This info from the Cleveland Clinic says you can continue to test positive on a PCR test even once you are no longer infectious

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diagnostics/21462-covid-19-and-pcr-testing
How long do you test positive after having had COVID-19?
Because the PCR test is so sensitive, it can detect very small amounts of virus material. This means that the test can continue to detect fragments of SARS-CoV-2 virus even after you’ve recovered from COVID-19 and are no longer contagious. So you may continue to test positive if you've had COVID-19 in the distant past, even though you can’t spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others.

It can detect post viral shedding but they can differentiate between that and an actual positive.

if that is true how come the CDC does not recommend testing nursing home residents until 90 days after a positive test: "Testing is not recommended for people who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection in the last 90 days if they remain asymptomatic, including if they have had close contact or a higher-risk exposure; this is because some people may be non-infectious but have detectable virus from their prior infection during this period (additional information is available)." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/long-term-care.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fhcp%2Fnursing-homes-testing.html

I am not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely asking.

I asked this question and was told it was not an issue, that the testers can differentiate between post viral shedding and actual infection. If this is the impediment to signing up - and you're not just looking for an excuse - why don't you ask the question yourself of the testing company?

Either they misunderstood the ? You misunderstood the answer, or they gave you misinformation. No pcr test can distinguish between post viral shedding and infectious disease. https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2606/pcr_test_patientflyer.pdf

hmm, who to trust? The people in charge of testing or a random internet dude/dudette who says they are wrong. Sounds like you have an agenda and are looking for an excuse not to sign up.

I mean. It’s really well established that a pcr test is looking for virus, and doesn’t distinguish between infectious or post viral shedding. This is why the cdc doesn’t recommend testing to decide when a ill person can end quarantine. I could post numerous links to that effect. I’m quite confident that aps has not come up with a new pcr test that in fact has the ability to distinguish between contagious covid and post viral. I’d they had, there would be much better uses for it. But you think they can and no amount of facts are going to convince you you are wrong.

So if you know your kid had a recent covid infection then you should probably skip testing.

Why is this a discussion topic?

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Anonymous wrote:This info from the Cleveland Clinic says you can continue to test positive on a PCR test even once you are no longer infectious

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diagnostics/21462-covid-19-and-pcr-testing
How long do you test positive after having had COVID-19?
Because the PCR test is so sensitive, it can detect very small amounts of virus material. This means that the test can continue to detect fragments of SARS-CoV-2 virus even after you’ve recovered from COVID-19 and are no longer contagious. So you may continue to test positive if you've had COVID-19 in the distant past, even though you can’t spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others.

It can detect post viral shedding but they can differentiate between that and an actual positive.

if that is true how come the CDC does not recommend testing nursing home residents until 90 days after a positive test: "Testing is not recommended for people who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection in the last 90 days if they remain asymptomatic, including if they have had close contact or a higher-risk exposure; this is because some people may be non-infectious but have detectable virus from their prior infection during this period (additional information is available)." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/long-term-care.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fhcp%2Fnursing-homes-testing.html

I am not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely asking.

I asked this question and was told it was not an issue, that the testers can differentiate between post viral shedding and actual infection. If this is the impediment to signing up - and you're not just looking for an excuse - why don't you ask the question yourself of the testing company?

Either they misunderstood the ? You misunderstood the answer, or they gave you misinformation. No pcr test can distinguish between post viral shedding and infectious disease. https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2606/pcr_test_patientflyer.pdf

hmm, who to trust? The people in charge of testing or a random internet dude/dudette who says they are wrong. Sounds like you have an agenda and are looking for an excuse not to sign up.

I mean. It’s really well established that a pcr test is looking for virus, and doesn’t distinguish between infectious or post viral shedding. This is why the cdc doesn’t recommend testing to decide when a ill person can end quarantine. I could post numerous links to that effect. I’m quite confident that aps has not come up with a new pcr test that in fact has the ability to distinguish between contagious covid and post viral. I’d they had, there would be much better uses for it. But you think they can and no amount of facts are going to convince you you are wrong.

So if you know your kid had a recent covid infection then you should probably skip testing.

Why is this a discussion topic?

If you haven't been regularly testing your kid, there is no way to know of a positive PCR means they are infectious now or if if it means your kid had an asymptomatic case few weeks ago and are no longer infectious. That seems relevant to the decision about whether to sign up for the asymptomatic testing program.

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Anonymous wrote:This info from the Cleveland Clinic says you can continue to test positive on a PCR test even once you are no longer infectious

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diagnostics/21462-covid-19-and-pcr-testing
How long do you test positive after having had COVID-19?
Because the PCR test is so sensitive, it can detect very small amounts of virus material. This means that the test can continue to detect fragments of SARS-CoV-2 virus even after you’ve recovered from COVID-19 and are no longer contagious. So you may continue to test positive if you've had COVID-19 in the distant past, even though you can’t spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others.

It can detect post viral shedding but they can differentiate between that and an actual positive.

if that is true how come the CDC does not recommend testing nursing home residents until 90 days after a positive test: "Testing is not recommended for people who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection in the last 90 days if they remain asymptomatic, including if they have had close contact or a higher-risk exposure; this is because some people may be non-infectious but have detectable virus from their prior infection during this period (additional information is available)." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/long-term-care.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fhcp%2Fnursing-homes-testing.html

I am not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely asking.

I asked this question and was told it was not an issue, that the testers can differentiate between post viral shedding and actual infection. If this is the impediment to signing up - and you're not just looking for an excuse - why don't you ask the question yourself of the testing company?

Either they misunderstood the ? You misunderstood the answer, or they gave you misinformation. No pcr test can distinguish between post viral shedding and infectious disease. https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2606/pcr_test_patientflyer.pdf

hmm, who to trust? The people in charge of testing or a random internet dude/dudette who says they are wrong. Sounds like you have an agenda and are looking for an excuse not to sign up.

I mean. It’s really well established that a pcr test is looking for virus, and doesn’t distinguish between infectious or post viral shedding. This is why the cdc doesn’t recommend testing to decide when a ill person can end quarantine. I could post numerous links to that effect. I’m quite confident that aps has not come up with a new pcr test that in fact has the ability to distinguish between contagious covid and post viral. I’d they had, there would be much better uses for it. But you think they can and no amount of facts are going to convince you you are wrong.

So if you know your kid had a recent covid infection then you should probably skip testing.

Why is this a discussion topic?

If you haven't been regularly testing your kid, there is no way to know of a positive PCR means they are infectious now or if if it means your kid had an asymptomatic case few weeks ago and are no longer infectious. That seems relevant to the decision about whether to sign up for the asymptomatic testing program.

All the more reason to test early and often.

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All of you objecting to asymptomatic testing, don't you remember when we had children do asymptomatic testing for the swine flu in 2009-2010, causing tons of healthy kids who were close contact to miss school? Oh yeah, neither do I.

The Swine flu is estimated to have killed 3x to 4x more kids on an annual basis than COVID (CDC had to estimate because they weren't testing people like crazy):
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212

Flu is also often transmitted asymptomatically:
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/asymptomatic-influenza-infection-rates-deserve-more-attention

[Anonymous]

Someone posted on AEM how the pooling / algorithm works. Pretty clever.

[Anonymous]

For this person who keeps on insisting that aps can distinguish between active virus and remnant virus.
From the resource path website (aps testing contractor
If you have previously had COVID-19 infection, please note that our RT-PCR tests are very sensitive and can intermittently detect virus for weeks/months even after the active infection period (10-14 days) has passed. Since a negative


https://www.resourcepath.net/covid-19-rt-pcr-tests/#1611210156999-5756389f-c111

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For this person who keeps on insisting that aps can distinguish between active virus and remnant virus.
From the resource path website (aps testing contractor
If you have previously had COVID-19 infection, please note that our RT-PCR tests are very sensitive and can intermittently detect virus for weeks/months even after the active infection period (10-14 days) has passed. Since a negative


https://www.resourcepath.net/covid-19-rt-pcr-tests/#1611210156999-5756389f-c111

All the more reason to test early and often.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For this person who keeps on insisting that aps can distinguish between active virus and remnant virus.
From the resource path website (aps testing contractor
If you have previously had COVID-19 infection, please note that our RT-PCR tests are very sensitive and can intermittently detect virus for weeks/months even after the active infection period (10-14 days) has passed. Since a negative


https://www.resourcepath.net/covid-19-rt-pcr-tests/#1611210156999-5756389f-c111

All the more reason to test early and often.

Alternatively, all the more reason to stick with symptomatic testing and exclusion and let the rest go…..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For this person who keeps on insisting that aps can distinguish between active virus and remnant virus.
From the resource path website (aps testing contractor
If you have previously had COVID-19 infection, please note that our RT-PCR tests are very sensitive and can intermittently detect virus for weeks/months even after the active infection period (10-14 days) has passed. Since a negative


https://www.resourcepath.net/covid-19-rt-pcr-tests/#1611210156999-5756389f-c111

All the more reason to test early and often.

Alternatively, all the more reason to stick with symptomatic testing and exclusion and let the rest go…..

That’s not what the CDC recommends…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted on AEM how the pooling / algorithm works. Pretty clever.

Can you post it here?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info from the Cleveland Clinic says you can continue to test positive on a PCR test even once you are no longer infectious

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diagnostics/21462-covid-19-and-pcr-testing
How long do you test positive after having had COVID-19?
Because the PCR test is so sensitive, it can detect very small amounts of virus material. This means that the test can continue to detect fragments of SARS-CoV-2 virus even after you’ve recovered from COVID-19 and are no longer contagious. So you may continue to test positive if you've had COVID-19 in the distant past, even though you can’t spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others.

It can detect post viral shedding but they can differentiate between that and an actual positive.

if that is true how come the CDC does not recommend testing nursing home residents until 90 days after a positive test: "Testing is not recommended for people who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection in the last 90 days if they remain asymptomatic, including if they have had close contact or a higher-risk exposure; this is because some people may be non-infectious but have detectable virus from their prior infection during this period (additional information is available)." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/long-term-care.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fhcp%2Fnursing-homes-testing.html

I am not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely asking.

I asked this question and was told it was not an issue, that the testers can differentiate between post viral shedding and actual infection. If this is the impediment to signing up - and you're not just looking for an excuse - why don't you ask the question yourself of the testing company?

Either they misunderstood the ? You misunderstood the answer, or they gave you misinformation. No pcr test can distinguish between post viral shedding and infectious disease. https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2606/pcr_test_patientflyer.pdf

hmm, who to trust? The people in charge of testing or a random internet dude/dudette who says they are wrong. Sounds like you have an agenda and are looking for an excuse not to sign up.

I mean. It’s really well established that a pcr test is looking for virus, and doesn’t distinguish between infectious or post viral shedding. This is why the cdc doesn’t recommend testing to decide when a ill person can end quarantine. I could post numerous links to that effect. I’m quite confident that aps has not come up with a new pcr test that in fact has the ability to distinguish between contagious covid and post viral. I’d they had, there would be much better uses for it. But you think they can and no amount of facts are going to convince you you are wrong.

So if you know your kid had a recent covid infection then you should probably skip testing.

Why is this a discussion topic?

If you haven't been regularly testing your kid, there is no way to know of a positive PCR means they are infectious now or if if it means your kid had an asymptomatic case few weeks ago and are no longer infectious. That seems relevant to the decision about whether to sign up for the asymptomatic testing program.

Do you shed virus after an asymptomatic case? Or just after a symptomatic one? Weren't all those tests on post virtual shedding done after symptomatic cases?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For this person who keeps on insisting that aps can distinguish between active virus and remnant virus.
From the resource path website (aps testing contractor
If you have previously had COVID-19 infection, please note that our RT-PCR tests are very sensitive and can intermittently detect virus for weeks/months even after the active infection period (10-14 days) has passed. Since a negative


https://www.resourcepath.net/covid-19-rt-pcr-tests/#1611210156999-5756389f-c111

Yes the test can detect virus after an infection. No one is disputing that. And they also check for a genetic marker on the virus sample that is only there during an active infection. So, if you had a previous infection, it does not trigger a positive result on this test.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone posted on AEM how the pooling / algorithm works. Pretty clever.

Can you post it here?

Basically each kid is part of two pools.

Like this but a 6x6 grid.


6 x 6 = 36 kids
6 x 2 = 12 pools

And by looking at the intersection of positive pools they can figure out the positive case.