New school start times survey

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Anonymous wrote:I mean the smart thing would be for FCPS to shell out for new busses so that all schools could start between 8:00 and 9:00. Or to cut bussing to AAP since that is a choice school to free up busses for middle schools.

They said they would need 75-100 additional busses. Do we have that many busses going to AAP centers? If so, would those children receive a bus to their local school instead? How many more busses would local schools need?

I do think this is the best path forward as they move to have AAP at most schools but I don't know if it would cover them all.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

I don't think this is relevant to this discussion but my experience was different. I had two kids in catholic school K to 5th, left the school two years ago. Tuition was $9K for the first kid and discounted $7K for the second kid. And it was even less than that when we first started, costs went up a few hundred each year. We were parishioners so that was less than general public. The before and after care situation was awesome. You paid a one time $100 registration fee and then you paid by the hour for the hours you used care. You were billed at the end of each month. So if your kid only needed one hour one day per week you paid $5. (I can't recall for sure but think it was raised to $7 by the time we left). It was open one hour before and 3 hours after. There were times when we needed to use it mostly full time, but when we didnt we weren't paying for unused time.

It was definitely more convenient than public school times and after care arrangements.

As for uniforms, you bought them new once and then traded them in at the used sales for the next size up when your kids grew. I spent less on clothes than i do now.

There were random special fees and more fundraising stuff than at public schools for sure though.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

I don't think this is relevant to this discussion but my experience was different. I had two kids in catholic school K to 5th, left the school two years ago. Tuition was $9K for the first kid and discounted $7K for the second kid. And it was even less than that when we first started, costs went up a few hundred each year. We were parishioners so that was less than general public. The before and after care situation was awesome. You paid a one time $100 registration fee and then you paid by the hour for the hours you used care. You were billed at the end of each month. So if your kid only needed one hour one day per week you paid $5. (I can't recall for sure but think it was raised to $7 by the time we left). It was open one hour before and 3 hours after. There were times when we needed to use it mostly full time, but when we didnt we weren't paying for unused time.

It was definitely more convenient than public school times and after care arrangements.

As for uniforms, you bought them new once and then traded them in at the used sales for the next size up when your kids grew. I spent less on clothes than i do now.

There were random special fees and more fundraising stuff than at public schools for sure though.

That's still $6K per kid more than I pay for SACC, LOL!

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

I can't speak for other children, but mine would be exhausted by 2pm.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

Yes. And mine went from elementary school (they got out at 3:30pm) to their gymnastics class that ran from 4:00 to 6:30pm. I would've much rather had the gymnastics class in the morning!

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

Yes. And mine went from elementary school (they got out at 3:30pm) to their gymnastics class that ran from 4:00 to 6:30pm. I would've much rather had the gymnastics class in the morning!

So, you really do not understand how tired the kids would be in the afternoon? That doesn't matter to you?

Believe me, it matters to most parents and to teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

Yes. And mine went from elementary school (they got out at 3:30pm) to their gymnastics class that ran from 4:00 to 6:30pm. I would've much rather had the gymnastics class in the morning!

So, you really do not understand how tired the kids would be in the afternoon? That doesn't matter to you?

Believe me, it matters to most parents and to teachers.

I guess it depends on your kids. Mine prefer to do active stuff in the morning rather than in the afternoon. Regardless, it looks like nothing will be changing.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

Yes. And mine went from elementary school (they got out at 3:30pm) to their gymnastics class that ran from 4:00 to 6:30pm. I would've much rather had the gymnastics class in the morning!

So, you really do not understand how tired the kids would be in the afternoon? That doesn't matter to you?

Believe me, it matters to most parents and to teachers.

I guess it depends on your kids. Mine prefer to do active stuff in the morning rather than in the afternoon. Regardless, it looks like nothing will be changing.

This makes sense but then academics will suffer since they will be tired afterwards.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

Yes. And mine went from elementary school (they got out at 3:30pm) to their gymnastics class that ran from 4:00 to 6:30pm. I would've much rather had the gymnastics class in the morning!

So, you really do not understand how tired the kids would be in the afternoon? That doesn't matter to you?

Believe me, it matters to most parents and to teachers.

I guess it depends on your kids. Mine prefer to do active stuff in the morning rather than in the afternoon. Regardless, it looks like nothing will be changing.

This makes sense but then academics will suffer since they will be tired afterwards.

No, I would think that kids would be more focused and less wiggly/distracted with a gpod round of morning exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

Yes. And mine went from elementary school (they got out at 3:30pm) to their gymnastics class that ran from 4:00 to 6:30pm. I would've much rather had the gymnastics class in the morning!

So, you really do not understand how tired the kids would be in the afternoon? That doesn't matter to you?

Believe me, it matters to most parents and to teachers.

I guess it depends on your kids. Mine prefer to do active stuff in the morning rather than in the afternoon. Regardless, it looks like nothing will be changing.

This makes sense but then academics will suffer since they will be tired afterwards.

No, I would think that kids would be more focused and less wiggly/distracted with a gpod round of morning exercise.

You clearly have never taught first graders.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

Yes. And mine went from elementary school (they got out at 3:30pm) to their gymnastics class that ran from 4:00 to 6:30pm. I would've much rather had the gymnastics class in the morning!

Your kids probably would not.

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Anonymous wrote:If people have to pay for more child care, they may as well put their kids in private schools. I suspect that is why some of our enrollment is going down.

That doesn't make any sense - most private schools don't offer before and after care. If they do, it's far more expensive than SACC or the local TKD or gymanstics place.

The point is they won’t need before care if they do private school because they would have more reasonable start times.

I don't understand. Are private schools holding class for more than 8 hours per day?

I don't think so. I also don't think that (private school tuition) + (after care costs) < (before care costs) + (after care costs).

So switching to private school just to save money seems like a silly idea.

It’s definitely not cheaper to pay for private school tuition & aftercare. I don’t know what those posters are talking about. I’ve researched this before. The cheapest tuition are parochial schools that charge around 11-12k on tuition alone, and then you need to pay around 6-7K for aftercare. On top of that you have to pay for uniforms and registration fees every single year. There is also a technology fee charged every year. It is about 17K-20K per kid total at the least expensive private school. There is no way before and aftercare costs that much even if it’s not SACC.

There is also the convenience and what is best for your child. Going to gymnastics at 7 and to school at 10 is not exactly good for kids.

Why not?

Because the kid will have started the day early--as most elementary kids do--and exhausted by noon when they still will have four more hours of school.

Do you even have kids?

Yes. And mine went from elementary school (they got out at 3:30pm) to their gymnastics class that ran from 4:00 to 6:30pm. I would've much rather had the gymnastics class in the morning!

So, you really do not understand how tired the kids would be in the afternoon? That doesn't matter to you?

Believe me, it matters to most parents and to teachers.

I guess it depends on your kids. Mine prefer to do active stuff in the morning rather than in the afternoon. Regardless, it looks like nothing will be changing.

This makes sense but then academics will suffer since they will be tired afterwards.

No, I would think that kids would be more focused and less wiggly/distracted with a gpod round of morning exercise.

Come visit my class after recess. Kids are done by 3.

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Have they addressed start times during this weeks community meetings? My impression was that this was DOA and they won’t be pursuing either net neutral option.