NYT: Men where have you gone, please come back.

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Anonymous wrote:American women don't care about men's struggles, they wait at the finish line and pick the winners.

Men’s struggles? Tell us more.

Women do not care about men's struggles. It takes a lot of hard work and struggles to become elite in something that is worthwhile. It takes at least many years of practice and hard work just to make high school varsity teams. It takes many hours of practice and many years to become a good musician. Finally, it takes a lot of studying hours to become a good student, and hopefully one can end up at a good college. Many young men struggle to become successful in those areas. Women do not care about men's struggles to become the best version of themselves, they wait at the finish line and pick the winners. You can see this from young girls too, because I was invisible to girls in middle school; however, as a high school freshman, I was the best player on the varsity team and we won the state championship. We celebrated the championship with a video, and I was the band's frontman. The video became very popular, and all the girls in school wanted to sleep with me. Without the state championship trophy and the music video, I would have been totally invisible to girls.

Bro, women struggle the exact same way, plus we face a culture of innate misogyny while doing it. You think we're just handed sports trophies, music awards, access to good schools and good jobs, and money?!

Women don't care more about men's struggles than their own. Men don't really seem to care about women's struggles in these areas either.

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Anonymous wrote:Cooking, cleaning, and laundry just isn't all that hard. The dudes caterwauling like their dicks will fall off if they have to put forth that level of effort are pretty weak.

I think it's that they have self inflated egos, and think "that's women's work". Very unattractive quality. Only desperate women go for these types.

I don't know. I work in tech, and am married to a wife who graduated from Harvard. I neither cook nor clean because my wife takes care of those things. I do, however, bring home 2M/yr in salary + bonus. All of my colleagues do the same.

Safe to say that anyone of means outsources domestic work. We also hire Nannies.

Sure, for some. Others enjoy raising their kids and prefer being self sufficient.

Nobody with money. BTW, nobody enjoys changing shit diapers or dealing with throw up etc.

You can still raise your kids and outsource the shit work (literally).

Not true at all. You must live in a very little bubble if you think that's true.

What little bubble. The bubble that doesn’t want to literally clean shit?

I am pretty sure that’s a massively large bubble.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:American women don't care about men's struggles, they wait at the finish line and pick the winners.

Men’s struggles? Tell us more.

Women do not care about men's struggles. It takes a lot of hard work and struggles to become elite in something that is worthwhile. It takes at least many years of practice and hard work just to make high school varsity teams. It takes many hours of practice and many years to become a good musician. Finally, it takes a lot of studying hours to become a good student, and hopefully one can end up at a good college. Many young men struggle to become successful in those areas. Women do not care about men's struggles to become the best version of themselves, they wait at the finish line and pick the winners. You can see this from young girls too, because I was invisible to girls in middle school; however, as a high school freshman, I was the best player on the varsity team and we won the state championship. We celebrated the championship with a video, and I was the band's frontman. The video became very popular, and all the girls in school wanted to sleep with me. Without the state championship trophy and the music video, I would have been totally invisible to girls.

Bro, women struggle the exact same way, plus we face a culture of innate misogyny while doing it. You think we're just handed sports trophies, music awards, access to good schools and good jobs, and money?!

Women don't care more about men's struggles than their own. Men don't really seem to care about women's struggles in these areas either.

+1 my goodness. If men cared so much about women's struggles and having families maybe those who are in power, corporate and government who are overwhelmingly men, would pass better maternity care and leave laws.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American women don't care about men's struggles, they wait at the finish line and pick the winners.

Men’s struggles? Tell us more.

Women do not care about men's struggles. It takes a lot of hard work and struggles to become elite in something that is worthwhile. It takes at least many years of practice and hard work just to make high school varsity teams. It takes many hours of practice and many years to become a good musician. Finally, it takes a lot of studying hours to become a good student, and hopefully one can end up at a good college. Many young men struggle to become successful in those areas. Women do not care about men's struggles to become the best version of themselves, they wait at the finish line and pick the winners. You can see this from young girls too, because I was invisible to girls in middle school; however, as a high school freshman, I was the best player on the varsity team and we won the state championship. We celebrated the championship with a video, and I was the band's frontman. The video became very popular, and all the girls in school wanted to sleep with me. Without the state championship trophy and the music video, I would have been totally invisible to girls.

That's fair. I'm sure once you were popular you weren't clamoring to take the fat, funny smart girl to prom, or the accomplished and kind girl who was skinny and tall and awkward.

Thems the breaks.

+1 lots of overweight not attractive girls would be fine with unathletic men overweight men.

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Anonymous wrote:American women don't care about men's struggles, they wait at the finish line and pick the winners.

Men’s struggles? Tell us more.

Women do not care about men's struggles. It takes a lot of hard work and struggles to become elite in something that is worthwhile. It takes at least many years of practice and hard work just to make high school varsity teams. It takes many hours of practice and many years to become a good musician. Finally, it takes a lot of studying hours to become a good student, and hopefully one can end up at a good college. Many young men struggle to become successful in those areas. Women do not care about men's struggles to become the best version of themselves, they wait at the finish line and pick the winners. You can see this from young girls too, because I was invisible to girls in middle school; however, as a high school freshman, I was the best player on the varsity team and we won the state championship. We celebrated the championship with a video, and I was the band's frontman. The video became very popular, and all the girls in school wanted to sleep with me. Without the state championship trophy and the music video, I would have been totally invisible to girls.

Well, if women are too much for you to handle, stay single. You are not entitled to a woman who cares about your struggles. Or you can become a passport bro and bring a new wife over every 3 years ( they will become just as complicated as Anerican women right around when they get their citizenship).

As a former D1 athlete at UCLA, there were so many women in college that wanted to sleep with me because I was a popular guy on campus. I went into software sales after graduation and made a lot of money. I became a catch to many women because of my social status and money. It made me realize that women are beauty objects while men are success objects. The vast majority of women want to marry guys for a "marriage style", not love. Guys are invisible to women if they do not have looks, money or social status. YMMV.

Hardly true. Maybe you were only attracted to the striver types but I’d say that most women do not want transactional type of marriages.

Even if they do, does it make men any better when they just want trophy wives who will put out and only willing to do so because the men have money?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Wonder what posters here think of this and if things are equal in dc or no?

I would be curious if the author, in addition to her anecdotes, talked to 24, 34 and 44, and 64 year olds.

Lolololol. Women are pickier than ever, turning down perfectly eligible guys because they don't check off each of the 50 boxes on their requirements checklist for things a guy must have for her to date them. And then they whine and cry to the Times and the Post about how hard it is to date.

Sounds like the ladies are reaping exactly what they deserve.

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Just read the story. It's amazing how this woman would do anything but actually ask the man out. Won't ask him to coffee, or a drink, or anything, but what she will do is play crazy games of "leaving the door open." I'm sorry she's experiencing this, but men are tired. Tired of picky women. Tired of women making zero effort in dating other than saying yes or no to date offers. Tired of women insisting on insane levels of everyday texting and attention in a relatively casual relationship. Tired of women declaring loudly and proudly how they don't need men because they have their own money, but then they go whining to the Times and the Post about how hard it is to date.

You are getting exactly what you deserve.

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How many women in this forum would give serious consideration to a guy who works as a cashier at Walmart? Exactly.

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I am a 40 years old single male, and I've dated about ten women in the past fifteen months. Every single one of them expressed the desire to live in a big house in the wealthy McLean neighborhood. None of those women could afford to live there. FWIW, I live in one of those McLean 4M homes. I would have been invisible to them if I worked at Trader Joe's.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 lots of overweight not attractive girls would be fine with unathletic men overweight men.

A successful and handsome guy would sleep with a not attractive woman, but he would not commit to her. The not attractive woman, after sleeping with a successful and attractive guy, thinks that she is now entitled to a 9/10 caliber guy.

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Anonymous wrote:How many women in this forum would give serious consideration to a guy who works as a cashier at Walmart? Exactly.

As much consideration as a guy gives the cashier at Walmart.

What’s with these weird scenarios where you think the opposite sex has dramatically different standards.

I bet if the equivalent of Brad Pitt was working the register, plenty of women might sleep with him. Same if a Victoria’s Secret model was working the cash register. Nobody is getting into a relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:How many women in this forum would give serious consideration to a guy who works as a cashier at Walmart? Exactly.

As much consideration as a guy gives the cashier at Walmart.

What’s with these weird scenarios where you think the opposite sex has dramatically different standards.

I bet if the equivalent of Brad Pitt was working the register, plenty of women might sleep with him. Same if a Victoria’s Secret model was working the cash register. Nobody is getting into a relationship.

Brad Pitt might be working at wal mart but a Victoria’s Secret model would have already traded on her beauty to do something higher status.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a 40 years old single male, and I've dated about ten women in the past fifteen months. Every single one of them expressed the desire to live in a big house in the wealthy McLean neighborhood. None of those women could afford to live there. FWIW, I live in one of those McLean 4M homes. I would have been invisible to them if I worked at Trader Joe's.

So, it’s safe to say that if you meet 100 people on the street and ask “would you like to live in a big house in a fancy part of town”…95 will say they do.

I will admit there are some who hate the suburbs…so they may say no way I want to be stuck in McLean but Georgetown that’s a different matter.

You are making an obvious statement that describes all humans.

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I saw an interesting video where a woman asked this question in a group setting.

The man replied, “What do you mean where have the men gone, like they are hiding under a rock or something. You don’t see them because YOU are not showing up on their radar. You know, it might be that you are the reason men are staying away from you.”

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Anonymous wrote:How many women in this forum would give serious consideration to a guy who works as a cashier at Walmart? Exactly.

As much consideration as a guy gives the cashier at Walmart.

What’s with these weird scenarios where you think the opposite sex has dramatically different standards.

I bet if the equivalent of Brad Pitt was working the register, plenty of women might sleep with him. Same if a Victoria’s Secret model was working the cash register. Nobody is getting into a relationship.

Brad Pitt might be working at wal mart but a Victoria’s Secret model would have already traded on her beauty to do something higher status.

Most people could be 2-3 points higher on the scale than their defaults with effort given to how they dress and how they behave. Many women put in this effort as a baseline. Few straight men do. The math maths when you understand the actual equation.