Covid Relief Bill thread

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Anonymous wrote:Pelosi and Schumer needs to pass this bill.

Sucks, but Mitch can and will do whatever he wants. You want any aid, you have to agree with him.

WhT I don’t understand is how P and S are so bad at explaining that to everyday people.

It isn't that they're bad at explaining it to everyday people, it's that the message gets drowned out by the Republican propaganda machine bleating about how Democrats want to shut cities down and kill small businesses that employ patriotic hardworking real Americans.

THIS.
The mainstream media carries water for the GOP and the for the GOP alone. Their messaging is always related, their messaging becomes the narrative. The Democrats are always relegated to some nonsensical position, even as Rep Porter points out that it is one anarchist holding up this whole entire thing. One man with Chinese and Russian money lining his pockets, encouraging him to disrupt and ruin America.

I mean...the GOP is right on this one. I’ve watched them extend full stand-alone unemployment bills and stimulus checks for months.

What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

$1.8 trillion deal pre-election with every wishlist item. What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

Everytime an offer is made Pelosi’s grand stance is ‘Its not enough’.

So where are we now? A bill worth a quarter of the initial request, no unemployment or no stimulus, barely any local/state aid. Seriously the Dems had a great hand and just - killed it.

Which proposals did Mitch McConnell say he would support that Nancy Pelosi rejected? Please provide links to substantiate any claims you make about Mitch McConnell expressing support for a particular proposal.

Don't be obtuse. If you were watching the talks you'd know negotiations prior to December 2020 were handled by Pelosi+Schumer representing the Democrats in both House+Senate and Mnuchin+Meadows representing the White House plus GOP House+Senate.

The proposals were all raised by M+M without comment or objection from McConnell.

But none of them could pass without McConnell’s approval, and that was the whole problem - Mnuchin was negotiating on behalf of Republicans because McConnell wasn’t willing to do it, because McConnell opposed passing a relief bill.. All of those negotiations were largely for show because McConnell refused to get on board, which means the bill wouldn’t have gotten a vote in the Senate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pelosi and Schumer needs to pass this bill.

Sucks, but Mitch can and will do whatever he wants. You want any aid, you have to agree with him.

WhT I don’t understand is how P and S are so bad at explaining that to everyday people.

It isn't that they're bad at explaining it to everyday people, it's that the message gets drowned out by the Republican propaganda machine bleating about how Democrats want to shut cities down and kill small businesses that employ patriotic hardworking real Americans.

THIS.
The mainstream media carries water for the GOP and the for the GOP alone. Their messaging is always related, their messaging becomes the narrative. The Democrats are always relegated to some nonsensical position, even as Rep Porter points out that it is one anarchist holding up this whole entire thing. One man with Chinese and Russian money lining his pockets, encouraging him to disrupt and ruin America.

I mean...the GOP is right on this one. I’ve watched them extend full stand-alone unemployment bills and stimulus checks for months.

What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

$1.8 trillion deal pre-election with every wishlist item. What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

Everytime an offer is made Pelosi’s grand stance is ‘Its not enough’.

So where are we now? A bill worth a quarter of the initial request, no unemployment or no stimulus, barely any local/state aid. Seriously the Dems had a great hand and just - killed it.

Which proposals did Mitch McConnell say he would support that Nancy Pelosi rejected? Please provide links to substantiate any claims you make about Mitch McConnell expressing support for a particular proposal.

Don't be obtuse. If you were watching the talks you'd know negotiations prior to December 2020 were handled by Pelosi+Schumer representing the Democrats in both House+Senate and Mnuchin+Meadows representing the White House plus GOP House+Senate.

The proposals were all raised by M+M without comment or objection from McConnell.

But none of them could pass without McConnell’s approval, and that was the whole problem - Mnuchin was negotiating on behalf of Republicans because McConnell wasn’t willing to do it, because McConnell opposed passing a relief bill.. All of those negotiations were largely for show because McConnell refused to get on board, which means the bill wouldn’t have gotten a vote in the Senate.

McConnell brought up at least two Covid relief bills in the Senate...one in September and another in October - while Mnuchin was still holding discussions. Democrats blocked both. What's that about McConnell opposing a relief bill again?

I'm a moderate Democrat but McConnell is running rings around the Dem sideshow right now - publicly and legislatively.

[Anonymous]

Mitch hasn’t offered anything good, but at this point it’s clear that he’s not going to. He has the power, he doesn’t care about doing the right thing, just pass the crappy bill he wants and blame him for the mess that we have to clean up next year. Something. Is better than nothing right now. Really.

[Anonymous]

Congress needs to get their shit together. They're literally arguing over what are tantamount to pennies, all for political theater and pissing matches. Jobless claims just went up. It'll be a disaster if unemployment and protections disappear in Jan. I think, however, they will pass something before recess, because neither party wants to be responsible for chaos right before a big GA runoff.

Looks, it's not hard.

No bills with pork.

Give states money

Give employers liability protections

Extend unemployment out to April


Done. No one gets everything they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Congress needs to get their shit together. They're literally arguing over what are tantamount to pennies, all for political theater and pissing matches. Jobless claims just went up. It'll be a disaster if unemployment and protections disappear in Jan. I think, however, they will pass something before recess, because neither party wants to be responsible for chaos right before a big GA runoff.

Looks, it's not hard.

No bills with pork.

Give states money

Give employers liability protections

Extend unemployment out to April


Done. No one gets everything they want.

I agree with everything you said except the incentive. We literally have 8 days before a government shutdown and as I recall - the last time we were heading into a big elections cliff with both the presidency and congress in play - they did NOTHING.

[Anonymous]

Did anyone else notice they unilaterally extended student loan protections quietly more than a week ago? But everything else was just *crickets*.

[Anonymous]

How about they pass soemthig. Because people are struggling? The people that elected them. Not because they don’t want to look bad.

I’ve never been more disgusted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pelosi and Schumer needs to pass this bill.

Sucks, but Mitch can and will do whatever he wants. You want any aid, you have to agree with him.

WhT I don’t understand is how P and S are so bad at explaining that to everyday people.

It isn't that they're bad at explaining it to everyday people, it's that the message gets drowned out by the Republican propaganda machine bleating about how Democrats want to shut cities down and kill small businesses that employ patriotic hardworking real Americans.

THIS.
The mainstream media carries water for the GOP and the for the GOP alone. Their messaging is always related, their messaging becomes the narrative. The Democrats are always relegated to some nonsensical position, even as Rep Porter points out that it is one anarchist holding up this whole entire thing. One man with Chinese and Russian money lining his pockets, encouraging him to disrupt and ruin America.

I mean...the GOP is right on this one. I’ve watched them extend full stand-alone unemployment bills and stimulus checks for months.

What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

$1.8 trillion deal pre-election with every wishlist item. What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

Everytime an offer is made Pelosi’s grand stance is ‘Its not enough’.

So where are we now? A bill worth a quarter of the initial request, no unemployment or no stimulus, barely any local/state aid. Seriously the Dems had a great hand and just - killed it.

Yup. Pelosi has done a terrible job with this negotiation. If you've ever taken a negotiating course, you learn that if you become too inflexible the concessions dry up over time. Pelosi is now gonna have to take a deal that's half a big as the $1.8T that was offered before. That just shows Pelosi was playing stupid politics, and now it has backfired. The $1.8T deal have huge money to states, unployment and $1200 checks. Pelosi stupidly rejected it. Now it is even lower. Pelosi is a terrible politician.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pelosi and Schumer needs to pass this bill.

Sucks, but Mitch can and will do whatever he wants. You want any aid, you have to agree with him.

WhT I don’t understand is how P and S are so bad at explaining that to everyday people.

It isn't that they're bad at explaining it to everyday people, it's that the message gets drowned out by the Republican propaganda machine bleating about how Democrats want to shut cities down and kill small businesses that employ patriotic hardworking real Americans.

THIS.
The mainstream media carries water for the GOP and the for the GOP alone. Their messaging is always related, their messaging becomes the narrative. The Democrats are always relegated to some nonsensical position, even as Rep Porter points out that it is one anarchist holding up this whole entire thing. One man with Chinese and Russian money lining his pockets, encouraging him to disrupt and ruin America.

I mean...the GOP is right on this one. I’ve watched them extend full stand-alone unemployment bills and stimulus checks for months.

What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

$1.8 trillion deal pre-election with every wishlist item. What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

Everytime an offer is made Pelosi’s grand stance is ‘Its not enough’.

So where are we now? A bill worth a quarter of the initial request, no unemployment or no stimulus, barely any local/state aid. Seriously the Dems had a great hand and just - killed it.

Yup. Pelosi has done a terrible job with this negotiation. If you've ever taken a negotiating course, you learn that if you become too inflexible the concessions dry up over time. Pelosi is now gonna have to take a deal that's half a big as the $1.8T that was offered before. That just shows Pelosi was playing stupid politics, and now it has backfired. The $1.8T deal have huge money to states, unployment and $1200 checks. Pelosi stupidly rejected it. Now it is even lower. Pelosi is a terrible politician.

Pelosi came down to the 1.8 months ago from 4. The GOP doesn’t want to pass anything.

[Anonymous]

No, the GOP wants to pass what they want. And they can. Let them, and then blame them for the fall out. Let them own it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pelosi and Schumer needs to pass this bill.

Sucks, but Mitch can and will do whatever he wants. You want any aid, you have to agree with him.

WhT I don’t understand is how P and S are so bad at explaining that to everyday people.

It isn't that they're bad at explaining it to everyday people, it's that the message gets drowned out by the Republican propaganda machine bleating about how Democrats want to shut cities down and kill small businesses that employ patriotic hardworking real Americans.

THIS.
The mainstream media carries water for the GOP and the for the GOP alone. Their messaging is always related, their messaging becomes the narrative. The Democrats are always relegated to some nonsensical position, even as Rep Porter points out that it is one anarchist holding up this whole entire thing. One man with Chinese and Russian money lining his pockets, encouraging him to disrupt and ruin America.

I mean...the GOP is right on this one. I’ve watched them extend full stand-alone unemployment bills and stimulus checks for months.

What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

$1.8 trillion deal pre-election with every wishlist item. What did Pelosi do? Turn them down.

Everytime an offer is made Pelosi’s grand stance is ‘Its not enough’.

So where are we now? A bill worth a quarter of the initial request, no unemployment or no stimulus, barely any local/state aid. Seriously the Dems had a great hand and just - killed it.

Yup. Pelosi has done a terrible job with this negotiation. If you've ever taken a negotiating course, you learn that if you become too inflexible the concessions dry up over time. Pelosi is now gonna have to take a deal that's half a big as the $1.8T that was offered before. That just shows Pelosi was playing stupid politics, and now it has backfired. The $1.8T deal have huge money to states, unployment and $1200 checks. Pelosi stupidly rejected it. Now it is even lower. Pelosi is a terrible politician.

How is it a good look for Mitch to take things off the table that were on the table without giving anything in return? People will see this for what it is when a mediocre bill passes giving half of what he was willing to do before the election. Election isn’t over, I’m feeling good about georgia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Congress needs to get their shit together. They're literally arguing over what are tantamount to pennies, all for political theater and pissing matches. Jobless claims just went up. It'll be a disaster if unemployment and protections disappear in Jan. I think, however, they will pass something before recess, because neither party wants to be responsible for chaos right before a big GA runoff.

Looks, it's not hard.

No bills with pork.

Give states money

Give employers liability protections

Extend unemployment out to April


Done. No one gets everything they want.

The Republicans have been saying for months that the money to states is pork.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congress needs to get their shit together. They're literally arguing over what are tantamount to pennies, all for political theater and pissing matches. Jobless claims just went up. It'll be a disaster if unemployment and protections disappear in Jan. I think, however, they will pass something before recess, because neither party wants to be responsible for chaos right before a big GA runoff.

Looks, it's not hard.

No bills with pork.

Give states money

Give employers liability protections

Extend unemployment out to April


Done. No one gets everything they want.

The Republicans have been saying for months that the money to states is pork.

Pretty sure they represent states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mitch hasn’t offered anything good, but at this point it’s clear that he’s not going to. He has the power, he doesn’t care about doing the right thing, just pass the crappy bill he wants and blame him for the mess that we have to clean up next year. Something. Is better than nothing right now. Really.

Not if it permanently provide liability shield for irresponsible employers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mitch hasn’t offered anything good, but at this point it’s clear that he’s not going to. He has the power, he doesn’t care about doing the right thing, just pass the crappy bill he wants and blame him for the mess that we have to clean up next year. Something. Is better than nothing right now. Really.

Not if it permanently provide liability shield for irresponsible employers.

They can fix it after he loses the majority over it.