BCC/WJ Joint New ES Study

[Anonymous]

They are promoting Grosvenor because they already went through a site selection and the entire community agreed on Grosvenor. It has nothing to do with getting 100% of the seats, so stop making sh*t up! Doing another study is a waste of MCPS time and $$

[Anonymous]

If you are concerned about social engineering in your neighborhood and long bus rides join Montgomery County MD Neighbors for Local Schools. It’s a FB group trying to stop nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If it’s close to Wheaton you can bet dollars to doughnuts that they are looking at doing another social engineering project where kids from higher performing schools WJ/ BCC will be transferred to Wheaton and vice versa.

More like kids from both Wheaton/DCC and WJ will be assigned to Woodward and its TBD feeder schools. Which has been the stated plan for years already.

[Anonymous]

And MCPS has their sights set on Arylawn, and no one in the community wants the Y to lose Arylawn. Yes, it's central to the WJ/BCC clusters, but it's walking distance from Wyngate, and it provides childcare, after school activities, summer camps, all through the Y. MCPS is nuts to think they can get away with taking back Arylawn. Grosvenor is a great site and if the additions and boundary adjustments already underway don't solve the BCC cluster ES crowding problem, then they could make Wyngate the shared school rather than take Arylawn and have two schools within like 3 blocks of each other. Also, NCC and CCES are both under capacity but since MCPS is unwilling to consider decoupling the schools (for good reasons, I understand that) they can't use that capacity because it would overwhelm RH to add students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are promoting Grosvenor because they already went through a site selection and the entire community agreed on Grosvenor. It has nothing to do with getting 100% of the seats, so stop making sh*t up! Doing another study is a waste of MCPS time and $$

Exactly, the W cluster did that site selection. It had nothing to do with the BCC cluster. And the WJ cluster may not all agree with this pat solution when they figure out they'll be moving some percentage of Wyngate students out to the new school - perhaps the entire Alta Vista side of the neighborhood. Because Grosvenor is not a location for a split BCC/WJ school. It is a fine location for a WJ school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are promoting Grosvenor because they already went through a site selection and the entire community agreed on Grosvenor. It has nothing to do with getting 100% of the seats, so stop making sh*t up! Doing another study is a waste of MCPS time and $$

Exactly, the W cluster did that site selection. It had nothing to do with the BCC cluster. And the WJ cluster may not all agree with this pat solution when they figure out they'll be moving some percentage of Wyngate students out to the new school - perhaps the entire Alta Vista side of the neighborhood. Because Grosvenor is not a location for a split BCC/WJ school. It is a fine location for a WJ school.

No one will find out who'll be attending the new school until long after the site has been selected, and a new boundary study is established for that school, typically a year and a half before its opening date.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And MCPS has their sights set on Arylawn, and no one in the community wants the Y to lose Arylawn. Yes, it's central to the WJ/BCC clusters, but it's walking distance from Wyngate, and it provides childcare, after school activities, summer camps, all through the Y. MCPS is nuts to think they can get away with taking back Arylawn. Grosvenor is a great site and if the additions and boundary adjustments already underway don't solve the BCC cluster ES crowding problem, then they could make Wyngate the shared school rather than take Arylawn and have two schools within like 3 blocks of each other. Also, NCC and CCES are both under capacity but since MCPS is unwilling to consider decoupling the schools (for good reasons, I understand that) they can't use that capacity because it would overwhelm RH to add students.

"Get away with taking back Ayrlawn"? Doesn't MCPS own Ayrlawn?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are concerned about social engineering in your neighborhood and long bus rides join Montgomery County MD Neighbors for Local Schools. It’s a FB group trying to stop nonsense.

Oh, that's the Facebook group that's all upset that state law provides that student members of the board have voting rights on the board of education, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And MCPS has their sights set on Arylawn, and no one in the community wants the Y to lose Arylawn. Yes, it's central to the WJ/BCC clusters, but it's walking distance from Wyngate, and it provides childcare, after school activities, summer camps, all through the Y. MCPS is nuts to think they can get away with taking back Arylawn. Grosvenor is a great site and if the additions and boundary adjustments already underway don't solve the BCC cluster ES crowding problem, then they could make Wyngate the shared school rather than take Arylawn and have two schools within like 3 blocks of each other. Also, NCC and CCES are both under capacity but since MCPS is unwilling to consider decoupling the schools (for good reasons, I understand that) they can't use that capacity because it would overwhelm RH to add students.

"Get away with taking back Ayrlawn"? Doesn't MCPS own Ayrlawn?

MCPS owns part of Arylawn. Part is a park owned by Parks & Planning. The BCC YMCA has clout. I think there will be lots of opposition and MCPS is not likely to win that fight politically. Could be wrong I guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And MCPS has their sights set on Arylawn, and no one in the community wants the Y to lose Arylawn. Yes, it's central to the WJ/BCC clusters, but it's walking distance from Wyngate, and it provides childcare, after school activities, summer camps, all through the Y. MCPS is nuts to think they can get away with taking back Arylawn. Grosvenor is a great site and if the additions and boundary adjustments already underway don't solve the BCC cluster ES crowding problem, then they could make Wyngate the shared school rather than take Arylawn and have two schools within like 3 blocks of each other. Also, NCC and CCES are both under capacity but since MCPS is unwilling to consider decoupling the schools (for good reasons, I understand that) they can't use that capacity because it would overwhelm RH to add students.

"Get away with taking back Ayrlawn"? Doesn't MCPS own Ayrlawn?

MCPS owns part of Arylawn. Part is a park owned by Parks & Planning. The BCC YMCA has clout. I think there will be lots of opposition and MCPS is not likely to win that fight politically. Could be wrong I guess.

Oh, if they need M-NCPPC land too, then that's not happening. And not because of political opposition, but because M-NCPPC doesn't give up its land. Rock Creek Hills Local Park was an exception, because it was originally MCPS property, and MCPS was legally allowed to reclaim it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are promoting Grosvenor because they already went through a site selection and the entire community agreed on Grosvenor. It has nothing to do with getting 100% of the seats, so stop making sh*t up! Doing another study is a waste of MCPS time and $$

Exactly, the W cluster did that site selection. It had nothing to do with the BCC cluster. And the WJ cluster may not all agree with this pat solution when they figure out they'll be moving some percentage of Wyngate students out to the new school - perhaps the entire Alta Vista side of the neighborhood. Because Grosvenor is not a location for a split BCC/WJ school. It is a fine location for a WJ school.

No one will find out who'll be attending the new school until long after the site has been selected, and a new boundary study is established for that school, typically a year and a half before its opening date.

Right now, MCPS has said there are 2 clusters projected to have 370 extra elementary students each: BCC (particularly Bethesda ES) and WJ (all schools are maxed out at 740 and over/fully enrolled the minute Lux reopens). If the opening of this new school happens in connection with the Woodward opening, all bets are off. But if this is its own BCC/WJ thing it is pretty obvious that opening a school deeply in WJ land will take kids from WJ and push BCC kids to the outside edge school - Wyngate. (Bradley Hills, very close to Wyngate and Bethesda is in the Whitman cluster)

Ayrlawn in a nonstarter. Nearby residents of Oakmont and Bethesda lining Ayrlawn with their McMansions don’t want to deal with loss of their Park or more school bus traffic. Who blames them? They have the money to fight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are promoting Grosvenor because they already went through a site selection and the entire community agreed on Grosvenor. It has nothing to do with getting 100% of the seats, so stop making sh*t up! Doing another study is a waste of MCPS time and $$

Exactly, the W cluster did that site selection. It had nothing to do with the BCC cluster. And the WJ cluster may not all agree with this pat solution when they figure out they'll be moving some percentage of Wyngate students out to the new school - perhaps the entire Alta Vista side of the neighborhood. Because Grosvenor is not a location for a split BCC/WJ school. It is a fine location for a WJ school.

No one will find out who'll be attending the new school until long after the site has been selected, and a new boundary study is established for that school, typically a year and a half before its opening date.

Right now, MCPS has said there are 2 clusters projected to have 370 extra elementary students each: BCC (particularly Bethesda ES) and WJ (all schools are maxed out at 740 and over/fully enrolled the minute Lux reopens). If the opening of this new school happens in connection with the Woodward opening, all bets are off. But if this is its own BCC/WJ thing it is pretty obvious that opening a school deeply in WJ land will take kids from WJ and push BCC kids to the outside edge school - Wyngate. (Bradley Hills, very close to Wyngate and Bethesda is in the Whitman cluster)

Ayrlawn in a nonstarter. Nearby residents of Oakmont and Bethesda lining Ayrlawn with their McMansions don’t want to deal with loss of their Park or more school bus traffic. Who blames them? They have the money to fight.

But Bethesda ES is already scheduled to be expanded to 765 students in 2023, which will cover their overcrowding. According to the CIP, that leaves Rock Creek Forest as the only overcapacity BCC ES, since Somerset's will be covered by the boundary study with Westbrook. Within WJ, Ashburton and Farmland will still be overcapacity and Garrett Park and Luxmanor will be basically at capacity. So that's an argument for Grosvenor. I don't know how any of the proposed sites will provide relief to RCF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are promoting Grosvenor because they already went through a site selection and the entire community agreed on Grosvenor. It has nothing to do with getting 100% of the seats, so stop making sh*t up! Doing another study is a waste of MCPS time and $$

Exactly, the W cluster did that site selection. It had nothing to do with the BCC cluster. And the WJ cluster may not all agree with this pat solution when they figure out they'll be moving some percentage of Wyngate students out to the new school - perhaps the entire Alta Vista side of the neighborhood. Because Grosvenor is not a location for a split BCC/WJ school. It is a fine location for a WJ school.

No one will find out who'll be attending the new school until long after the site has been selected, and a new boundary study is established for that school, typically a year and a half before its opening date.

Right now, MCPS has said there are 2 clusters projected to have 370 extra elementary students each: BCC (particularly Bethesda ES) and WJ (all schools are maxed out at 740 and over/fully enrolled the minute Lux reopens). If the opening of this new school happens in connection with the Woodward opening, all bets are off. But if this is its own BCC/WJ thing it is pretty obvious that opening a school deeply in WJ land will take kids from WJ and push BCC kids to the outside edge school - Wyngate. (Bradley Hills, very close to Wyngate and Bethesda is in the Whitman cluster)

Ayrlawn in a nonstarter. Nearby residents of Oakmont and Bethesda lining Ayrlawn with their McMansions don’t want to deal with loss of their Park or more school bus traffic. Who blames them? They have the money to fight.

Maybe people should stop thinking of school boundaries as permanent and eternal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking at these maps, I realize that the problem is really that somehow, at some point in the past, a big part of Kennsington became deluded to think that they were "North Chevy Chase" or "Chevy Chase View" and probably with some political will forced themselves into the BCC cluster. If those kids just got moved to the WJ cluster like they should be, then East Bethesda can get moved back to Rosemary Hills/North Chevy Chase ES and Bethesda ES is no longer crowded.

North Chevy Chase and Chevy Chase View have been going to B-CC since those neighborhoods and B-CC existed. They never “forced themselves into” anything. And East Bethesda was thrilled when they changed it so they all could go to Bethesda Elementary instead of the split. But of course you’ve been “looking at maps” so you know everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at these maps, I realize that the problem is really that somehow, at some point in the past, a big part of Kennsington became deluded to think that they were "North Chevy Chase" or "Chevy Chase View" and probably with some political will forced themselves into the BCC cluster. If those kids just got moved to the WJ cluster like they should be, then East Bethesda can get moved back to Rosemary Hills/North Chevy Chase ES and Bethesda ES is no longer crowded.

North Chevy Chase and Chevy Chase View have been going to B-CC since those neighborhoods and B-CC existed. They never “forced themselves into” anything. And East Bethesda was thrilled when they changed it so they all could go to Bethesda Elementary instead of the split. But of course you’ve been “looking at maps” so you know everything.

I believe Chevy Chase View went to Parkwood ES before it was Kensington-Parkwood and was re-assigned in the late 1970s or early 1980s. But I don’t think it was a neighborhood initiative to leave WJ and switch to BCC. I think it was just one of the changes when they closed all those schools in the 80s.