When They See Us on Netflix

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Anonymous wrote:I started to watch and had to stop. I read an article that said not to wait until you're in the mood to watch but to just watch it. It's so painful, though. I'll try again.

I've been reading a lot about the case, though. NYTimes had a long article about the case a few days ago, written by a reporter who covered it at the time.

I also googled to find out more about the jogger and what's happened to her. She's not happy about the settlement and feels that the man who actually attacked her did not do so alone, as he claimed, so she sounds like she's still suspicious of these guys. It was disheartening to hear that.

I did the exact same thing. Started to watch, got halfway through the episode, and I was so upset that I had to walk away while DW finished it. I've seen the documentary (also wrenching to watch) but something about this recreation of the events made it sickening to watch.

I feel the same about the jogger, who seems to express no remorse whatsoever that these young boys were falsely jailed for years. Of course it's not her fault, but to not acknowledge this huge miscarriage of justice.....

That's incredibly unfair to the jogger. She was the victim of an absolutely horrendous crime. She was injured so badly she was in a coma for 12 days, and everyone thought she was going to die. She had no memory of the attack and never identified anyone as the perpetrator(s). The fact that other people decided to railroad these kids into a conviction is not her fault. She doesn't need to feel remorse. She didn't do anything wrong, and she has her own trauma to deal with. There was some evidence that more than one person attacked her, so it's not crazy that she thinks that. The fact that the guy who confessed was never tried, and then the case was settled, means she never got the kind of closure that you hope for from a prosecution.

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Thank you for putting this so well
I’ve seen so many judgements about the victim. For God’s sake, don’t put any of this crap on her.

If she was sympathetic to the victims who were children sent to jail for a crime they didn’t commit then crap wouldn’t be put on her. If she was willing to advocate for their freedom and rights instead of saying they don’t deserve anything then maybe ppl would have more sympathy for her as a person. It absolutely sucks what happened to her but what happened to them sucks too.

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I don't see this as victim blaming at all. She was a victim of a horrendous crime and I am sure she wanted someone to be held accountable for the crime. However, her lack of compassion for 5 children wrongly accused and jailed really shows who she is as a person.

Children? Come on dude. Go back and look at the mug shots.

What age do you consider children? Would it have been different if it were your 14 year old? Because you believe they didn't look like "children" they were guilty?? Come on dude.

[Anonymous]

People have so many opinions on how they think rape survivors should act, should behave, what they should do. In Alabama, male non-rape victims think they know survivors should not have abortions, because the women should care about the baby more and it’s her job to become a mom. The CP5 were horribly treated — but that doesnt mean people who care about police misconduct get to tell the rape victim that she’s recovering from her rape “wrong” and that it’s her job to uplift the men wrongfully accused. Get it? Rape victims recover how they need to recover, whether other people like their path or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I started to watch and had to stop. I read an article that said not to wait until you're in the mood to watch but to just watch it. It's so painful, though. I'll try again.

I've been reading a lot about the case, though. NYTimes had a long article about the case a few days ago, written by a reporter who covered it at the time.

I also googled to find out more about the jogger and what's happened to her. She's not happy about the settlement and feels that the man who actually attacked her did not do so alone, as he claimed, so she sounds like she's still suspicious of these guys. It was disheartening to hear that.

I did the exact same thing. Started to watch, got halfway through the episode, and I was so upset that I had to walk away while DW finished it. I've seen the documentary (also wrenching to watch) but something about this recreation of the events made it sickening to watch.

I feel the same about the jogger, who seems to express no remorse whatsoever that these young boys were falsely jailed for years. Of course it's not her fault, but to not acknowledge this huge miscarriage of justice.....

That's incredibly unfair to the jogger. She was the victim of an absolutely horrendous crime. She was injured so badly she was in a coma for 12 days, and everyone thought she was going to die. She had no memory of the attack and never identified anyone as the perpetrator(s). The fact that other people decided to railroad these kids into a conviction is not her fault. She doesn't need to feel remorse. She didn't do anything wrong, and she has her own trauma to deal with. There was some evidence that more than one person attacked her, so it's not crazy that she thinks that. The fact that the guy who confessed was never tried, and then the case was settled, means she never got the kind of closure that you hope for from a prosecution.

+10000

Thank you for putting this so well
I’ve seen so many judgements about the victim. For God’s sake, don’t put any of this crap on her.

If she was sympathetic to the victims who were children sent to jail for a crime they didn’t commit then crap wouldn’t be put on her. If she was willing to advocate for their freedom and rights instead of saying they don’t deserve anything then maybe ppl would have more sympathy for her as a person. It absolutely sucks what happened to her but what happened to them sucks too.

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I don't see this as victim blaming at all. She was a victim of a horrendous crime and I am sure she wanted someone to be held accountable for the crime. However, her lack of compassion for 5 children wrongly accused and jailed really shows who she is as a person.

Children? Come on dude. Go back and look at the mug shots.

What age do you consider children? Would it have been different if it were your 14 year old? Because you believe they didn't look like "children" they were guilty?? Come on dude.

+1. Research has shown that black kids are routinely perceived by white people as being older than same-age white kids, so not surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People have so many opinions on how they think rape survivors should act, should behave, what they should do. In Alabama, male non-rape victims think they know survivors should not have abortions, because the women should care about the baby more and it’s her job to become a mom. The CP5 were horribly treated — but that doesnt mean people who care about police misconduct get to tell the rape victim that she’s recovering from her rape “wrong” and that it’s her job to uplift the men wrongfully accused. Get it? Rape victims recover how they need to recover, whether other people like their path or not.

Who said she was recovering from her rape wrong?! Ppl are calling her out for her belief that the police did nothing wrong even with tapes and dna evidence. Ppl are letting her know it’s not ok to just assume that bc she went through something those 5 kids did not. It’s not ok for her to act as though those kids are guilty just bc they were in the park and the police said they did it. Get it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People have so many opinions on how they think rape survivors should act, should behave, what they should do. In Alabama, male non-rape victims think they know survivors should not have abortions, because the women should care about the baby more and it’s her job to become a mom. The CP5 were horribly treated — but that doesnt mean people who care about police misconduct get to tell the rape victim that she’s recovering from her rape “wrong” and that it’s her job to uplift the men wrongfully accused. Get it? Rape victims recover how they need to recover, whether other people like their path or not.

Who said she was recovering from her rape wrong?! Ppl are calling her out for her belief that the police did nothing wrong even with tapes and dna evidence. Ppl are letting her know it’s not ok to just assume that bc she went through something those 5 kids did not. It’s not ok for her to act as though those kids are guilty just bc they were in the park and the police said they did it. Get it?

Right, just like wise evangelicals are calling out women who have abortions as murderers. Just like even though the rape victim went through something, it doesnt mean an unborn fetus has to suffer too, and people are letting pregnant victims know it’s not ok for them to terminate. Point being — whether you are advocating for strict abortion laws or advocating for an end to police misconduct, leave “we need to judge the rape victims because we know better” out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:People have so many opinions on how they think rape survivors should act, should behave, what they should do. In Alabama, male non-rape victims think they know survivors should not have abortions, because the women should care about the baby more and it’s her job to become a mom. The CP5 were horribly treated — but that doesnt mean people who care about police misconduct get to tell the rape victim that she’s recovering from her rape “wrong” and that it’s her job to uplift the men wrongfully accused. Get it? Rape victims recover how they need to recover, whether other people like their path or not.

Who said she was recovering from her rape wrong?! Ppl are calling her out for her belief that the police did nothing wrong even with tapes and dna evidence. Ppl are letting her know it’s not ok to just assume that bc she went through something those 5 kids did not. It’s not ok for her to act as though those kids are guilty just bc they were in the park and the police said they did it. Get it?

Right, just like wise evangelicals are calling out women who have abortions as murderers. Just like even though the rape victim went through something, it doesnt mean an unborn fetus has to suffer too, and people are letting pregnant victims know it’s not ok for them to terminate. Point being — whether you are advocating for strict abortion laws or advocating for an end to police misconduct, leave “we need to judge the rape victims because we know better” out of it.

Again. Who said she was recovery wrong? Spin your ridiculous argument anyway you want. No one has said she is recovering wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What lives do people have who watch stuff like this in their free time? Mine is so precious, def wouldn’t watch anything like this.

Because ignorance is what allows tragedies like this to occur. If we stick our heads in the sand and pretend these things are not happening, they will surely continue. The country was super interested when they were being dragged through the mud as animals. Surely we can pay as much attention to the story of their innocence and to learn something about the areas of our justice system that are failing us.

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Anonymous wrote:People have so many opinions on how they think rape survivors should act, should behave, what they should do. In Alabama, male non-rape victims think they know survivors should not have abortions, because the women should care about the baby more and it’s her job to become a mom. The CP5 were horribly treated — but that doesnt mean people who care about police misconduct get to tell the rape victim that she’s recovering from her rape “wrong” and that it’s her job to uplift the men wrongfully accused. Get it? Rape victims recover how they need to recover, whether other people like their path or not.

Who said she was recovering from her rape wrong?! Ppl are calling her out for her belief that the police did nothing wrong even with tapes and dna evidence. Ppl are letting her know it’s not ok to just assume that bc she went through something those 5 kids did not. It’s not ok for her to act as though those kids are guilty just bc they were in the park and the police said they did it. Get it?

Right, just like wise evangelicals are calling out women who have abortions as murderers. Just like even though the rape victim went through something, it doesnt mean an unborn fetus has to suffer too, and people are letting pregnant victims know it’s not ok for them to terminate. Point being — whether you are advocating for strict abortion laws or advocating for an end to police misconduct, leave “we need to judge the rape victims because we know better” out of it.

What? If you are going with a convoluted analogy, this would be closer to saying if the victim wanted to have an abortion and the wrong person was selected for the procedure and so the victim had the knowledge that something was taken away from someone else as a mistake on their behalf and that person was jailed because of the misguided notions of others while the rapist was never jailed for his crime.

And uplift is a strong word. Expecting that someone that cared about justice being served would be troubled about the wrong person being convicted isn’t exactly the definition of uplift.

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I just got through the second episode and hav a question about the assaults committed against the two other people in the park that night. Clearly the 5 teens were coerced into false confession about the rape but wasn't the trial also about two other assaults. I believe they were pretty serious and folks were beaten into unconsciousness. Were those also vacated? Or is this clarified in later episodes. I believe these guys were framed but I also believe they did participate in the other assaults that went down that night in central park. Is that ever addressed? The prosecutor was nuts but we need to talk about more than just the rape that happened.

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PP I imagine the guy who was beaten until he blacked out probably wonders why people think these guys are innocent of EVERYTHING.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just got through the second episode and hav a question about the assaults committed against the two other people in the park that night. Clearly the 5 teens were coerced into false confession about the rape but wasn't the trial also about two other assaults. I believe they were pretty serious and folks were beaten into unconsciousness. Were those also vacated? Or is this clarified in later episodes. I believe these guys were framed but I also believe they did participate in the other assaults that went down that night in central park. Is that ever addressed? The prosecutor was nuts but we need to talk about more than just the rape that happened.

The prosecutor is being portrayed as nuts.
This is a movie. It someone’s vision and interpretation.

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Anonymous wrote:People have so many opinions on how they think rape survivors should act, should behave, what they should do. In Alabama, male non-rape victims think they know survivors should not have abortions, because the women should care about the baby more and it’s her job to become a mom. The CP5 were horribly treated — but that doesnt mean people who care about police misconduct get to tell the rape victim that she’s recovering from her rape “wrong” and that it’s her job to uplift the men wrongfully accused. Get it? Rape victims recover how they need to recover, whether other people like their path or not.

Who said she was recovering from her rape wrong?! Ppl are calling her out for her belief that the police did nothing wrong even with tapes and dna evidence. Ppl are letting her know it’s not ok to just assume that bc she went through something those 5 kids did not. It’s not ok for her to act as though those kids are guilty just bc they were in the park and the police said they did it. Get it?

Right, just like wise evangelicals are calling out women who have abortions as murderers. Just like even though the rape victim went through something, it doesnt mean an unborn fetus has to suffer too, and people are letting pregnant victims know it’s not ok for them to terminate. Point being — whether you are advocating for strict abortion laws or advocating for an end to police misconduct, leave “we need to judge the rape victims because we know better” out of it.

Start a new thread. How the frack did you jump to abortion. Stop detailing the thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just got through the second episode and hav a question about the assaults committed against the two other people in the park that night. Clearly the 5 teens were coerced into false confession about the rape but wasn't the trial also about two other assaults. I believe they were pretty serious and folks were beaten into unconsciousness. Were those also vacated? Or is this clarified in later episodes. I believe these guys were framed but I also believe they did participate in the other assaults that went down that night in central park. Is that ever addressed? The prosecutor was nuts but we need to talk about more than just the rape that happened.

The prosecutor is being portrayed as nuts.
This is a movie. It someone’s vision and interpretation.

Go actually research and come back. There are tapes and articles.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/arts/television/when-they-see-us-real-story.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP I imagine the guy who was beaten until he blacked out probably wonders why people think these guys are innocent of EVERYTHING.

Bc there were 30 kids in the park. You can’t prove that they are the ones who assaulted him.