Why don't WOHMs fight for better work conditions? Discuss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any actual studies that show that the US 1) needs more children (vs immigrants) and 2) needs all parents of young children to be working? I am NOT arguing against women/young mothers in the workplace. But I haven’t seen a convincing reason to make both childbirth and full employment a national priority. It seems that we could bring in more immigrants to be the next generation, pay for social security, etc. And it seems that all signs are pointing to fewer jobs/fewer hours society wide due to automation.

As a young woman who is married and of child bearing age, SO many of us would be having children or having more children if we had paid maternity or daycare wasn't $1800 a month. It's fabulous that poor immigrants are bringing up our population numbers instead. I'm glad we decided that was a good solution to our declining population numbers.

PP. I think you’re being sarcastic? But seriously, why is it better to fund US citizens having new babies, vs bringing in desperate people from the rest of the overpopulated world?

[Anonymous]

BECAUSE they'll ignore us and hire men. The men at my job get paid more because they have families. I have a family, no one cares. They have childcare issues, everyone is sympathetic, I have childcare issues, I don't know how to plan. The list is never ending.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

They need to force their husbands to take on the brunt of childcare issues and prioritize the woman’s job.

Another helpful suggestion! So, how does this help the working mom who needs to pump at work but is getting grief from her employer about taking so many "breaks?"

And how does this address the implicit bias that working moms face? You know the one - where her commitment and competence is questioned because she birthed a child? Where she misses out on important projects or opportunities because it is assumed she doesn't want to travel or wants to hurry up and get home? I've got news for you - this still happens even when husbands step up to the plate at home.

Another newsflash for you: employers are also unkind to working fathers who scale back. They're not as harsh on working fathers as on working mothers, but there are still issues there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

The OP is basically about the 0-4 years, not the 4-18 years. If you have battles, you need to change jobs or get your spouse more involved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that OP has to ask this question tells me that OP SAH or is child-free.

I think it's the crazy poop SAHM from the other thread.

Wait, what? Can you summarize this crazy poop thing? I've avoided going into that thread but am fascinated by this description.

Start at top of p. 14.

The one that also starts with another mean question about WOHMs, not the Harvard study one.

I'm pretty sure she's all over both threads, though.

Thanks! I appreciate the precise page so I don't have to wade through it all.

And here's the precise quote from p. 14 of the other thread (bolding added):

My sister in Canada did not have to leave the workforce. She was given paid maternity leave for a year for each child she had. Her employment also gives her flexible schedule and she can work remotely.

Yes, US sucks and it is a wasted opportunity and potential. I think WOHMs should start advocating for paid maternity leave, flexible schedule and work space and EQUAL PAY, instead of rolling over and short charging their own children and families.

No. I refuse to fu*king "LEAN IN" and ignore my kids. The work culture is toxic and exploitative to women, and the WOHMs are complicit in not speaking up against it. Save the sanctimony and be smart enough to heap abuse on your oppressors instead of being irrationally jealous of SAHMs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

They need to force their husbands to take on the brunt of childcare issues and prioritize the woman’s job.

Or, have less kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have exactly one vote. And despite voting in every single election I've been eligible to vote in since I turned 18, my one vote isn't enough to do any of the above. Hell, it couldn't even stop Trump.

You could make changes at your company.

You have more than just your vote.

Umm, okay. Because we are all directors, CEOs, etc. who have the power to make changes in our companies. /s

Some probably are.

Don’t forget, DCUM posters loooove to brag about how great their jobs are, how high powered and important, how necessary they are to their companies, how much money they make, how they would never quit even if they won the Mega Millions etc. etc.

Stands to reason some are c-suitors with the power to enact such changes if they so desire.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

They need to force their husbands to take on the brunt of childcare issues and prioritize the woman’s job.

Or, have less kids.

I think you mean "fewer." In addition to being a WOHM, I'm also making sure that my kids know proper grammar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

They need to force their husbands to take on the brunt of childcare issues and prioritize the woman’s job.

Another helpful suggestion! So, how does this help the working mom who needs to pump at work but is getting grief from her employer about taking so many "breaks?"

And how does this address the implicit bias that working moms face? You know the one - where her commitment and competence is questioned because she birthed a child? Where she misses out on important projects or opportunities because it is assumed she doesn't want to travel or wants to hurry up and get home? I've got news for you - this still happens even when husbands step up to the plate at home.

Another newsflash for you: employers are also unkind to working fathers who scale back. They're not as harsh on working fathers as on working mothers, but there are still issues there.

Nursing beyond the newborn period is such a scam that really hurts women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

They need to force their husbands to take on the brunt of childcare issues and prioritize the woman’s job.

Another helpful suggestion! So, how does this help the working mom who needs to pump at work but is getting grief from her employer about taking so many "breaks?"

And how does this address the implicit bias that working moms face? You know the one - where her commitment and competence is questioned because she birthed a child? Where she misses out on important projects or opportunities because it is assumed she doesn't want to travel or wants to hurry up and get home? I've got news for you - this still happens even when husbands step up to the plate at home.

Another newsflash for you: employers are also unkind to working fathers who scale back. They're not as harsh on working fathers as on working mothers, but there are still issues there.

Nursing beyond the newborn period is such a scam that really hurts women.

My body, my choices.

[Anonymous]

There are plenty of us who are fighting for working mothers at our companies, which is why you are starting to see changes being made in many industries. I will likely never benefit personally from all of the efforts I'm making at my own company because I'm done having kids and they'll be teenagers or older by the time we see substantial changes in how corporate America views working parents. But perhaps my children will benefit, and the young women coming after me.

I do feel an incredible responsibility to make things better for the women behind me. But I'm one of the few voices at the table (sometimes the only one) advocating for this change because everyone else at the table is a man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

They need to force their husbands to take on the brunt of childcare issues and prioritize the woman’s job.

Another helpful suggestion! So, how does this help the working mom who needs to pump at work but is getting grief from her employer about taking so many "breaks?"

And how does this address the implicit bias that working moms face? You know the one - where her commitment and competence is questioned because she birthed a child? Where she misses out on important projects or opportunities because it is assumed she doesn't want to travel or wants to hurry up and get home? I've got news for you - this still happens even when husbands step up to the plate at home.

Another newsflash for you: employers are also unkind to working fathers who scale back. They're not as harsh on working fathers as on working mothers, but there are still issues there.

Nursing beyond the newborn period is such a scam that really hurts women.

My body, my choices.

That is fine, but you cannot expect an employer to be on the hook for those changes when they have no statistical significant improvement for the population in the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

They need to force their husbands to take on the brunt of childcare issues and prioritize the woman’s job.

Another helpful suggestion! So, how does this help the working mom who needs to pump at work but is getting grief from her employer about taking so many "breaks?"

And how does this address the implicit bias that working moms face? You know the one - where her commitment and competence is questioned because she birthed a child? Where she misses out on important projects or opportunities because it is assumed she doesn't want to travel or wants to hurry up and get home? I've got news for you - this still happens even when husbands step up to the plate at home.

Another newsflash for you: employers are also unkind to working fathers who scale back. They're not as harsh on working fathers as on working mothers, but there are still issues there.

Nursing beyond the newborn period is such a scam that really hurts women.

Except that.... I enjoyed nursing beyond the newborn period?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of the PPs (maybe just one?) who keeps pointing out that women and just "space out" their kids and save up paid leave, how does this address any of the other issues working mothers face? Your helpful suggestions involve only the first few months of a child's life. It doesn't address the myraid of battles working mothers face in this country AFTER they return to work.

They need to force their husbands to take on the brunt of childcare issues and prioritize the woman’s job.

Another helpful suggestion! So, how does this help the working mom who needs to pump at work but is getting grief from her employer about taking so many "breaks?"

And how does this address the implicit bias that working moms face? You know the one - where her commitment and competence is questioned because she birthed a child? Where she misses out on important projects or opportunities because it is assumed she doesn't want to travel or wants to hurry up and get home? I've got news for you - this still happens even when husbands step up to the plate at home.

Another newsflash for you: employers are also unkind to working fathers who scale back. They're not as harsh on working fathers as on working mothers, but there are still issues there.

Nursing beyond the newborn period is such a scam that really hurts women.

That are very few women pumping at work after 12 months. I have never met one or heard of one. Pumping at work is miserable and nobody prolongs it.

[Anonymous]

I have a lot of influence on these sorts of things but the ultimate decision maker (business owner) is still an older white male and I have to fight for every win I get. He is a politically liberal guy but he still operates from the foundation of his own experience, like every family can afford a stay at home parent.

I contend we won't see change until boomers retire and the next generation of leaders get into positions of power.