How the Democrats lost their way on immigration

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Anonymous wrote:Immigration is good.

OP here, and I agree. Legal, merit-based immigration is good.

Has she ever outright stated that illegal immigration is good? I know she is for DACA, but so are many Americans.

I don't know about Hillary but yes some Dems have outright praised illegal immigrants (looking at you Nancy) as if it's a virtue.

At the beginning of his campaign Bernie even had some frank speak on how illegal immigrants undercut wages for low income Americans... And then the party got to him and he shut up pretty quickly on that line.

Hillary did praise it. She said she admires illegal immigrants because it takes courage.

I'm not for illegal immigration. I'm also not a liberal, but she's right.. it does take courage. It takes courage to immigrate to any country, let alone walk hundreds of miles across the unforgiving desert lands.

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Anonymous wrote:Immigration is good.

OP here, and I agree. Legal, merit-based immigration is good.

Has she ever outright stated that illegal immigration is good? I know she is for DACA, but so are many Americans.

I don't know about Hillary but yes some Dems have outright praised illegal immigrants (looking at you Nancy) as if it's a virtue.

At the beginning of his campaign Bernie even had some frank speak on how illegal immigrants undercut wages for low income Americans... And then the party got to him and he shut up pretty quickly on that line.

Hillary did praise it. She said she admires illegal immigrants because it takes courage.

I'm not for illegal immigration. I'm also not a liberal, but she's right.. it does take courage. It takes courage to immigrate to any country, let alone walk hundreds of miles across the unforgiving desert lands.

This also doesn't mean she's *for* illegal immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Immigration is good.

OP here, and I agree. Legal, merit-based immigration is good.

Has she ever outright stated that illegal immigration is good? I know she is for DACA, but so are many Americans.

I don't know about Hillary but yes some Dems have outright praised illegal immigrants (looking at you Nancy) as if it's a virtue.

At the beginning of his campaign Bernie even had some frank speak on how illegal immigrants undercut wages for low income Americans... And then the party got to him and he shut up pretty quickly on that line.

Hillary did praise it. She said she admires illegal immigrants because it takes courage.

I'm not for illegal immigration. I'm also not a liberal, but she's right.. it does take courage. It takes courage to immigrate to any country, let alone walk hundreds of miles across the unforgiving desert lands.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article containing a lot of truth about how HRC *might* have won in 2016 if she had taken a more serious approach to immigration, both legal and illegal. Of course, she would never have done this, but it's an interesting "what-if".

"In 2014, the University of California listed melting pot as a term it considered a “microaggression.” What if Hillary Clinton had traveled to one of its campuses and called that absurd? What if she had challenged elite universities to celebrate not merely multiculturalism and globalization but Americanness? What if she had said more boldly that the slowing rate of English-language acquisition was a problem she was determined to solve? What if she had acknowledged the challenges that mass immigration brings, and then insisted that Americans could overcome those challenges by focusing not on what makes them different but on what makes them the same?
Some on the left would have howled. But I suspect that Clinton would be president today."

You are attacking a fundamental right of rich elites, the right to cheap fungible desperate housekeepers. Must always keep a huge supply of low skilled workers to keep wages low. Just think of what could happen? Rich elites would have to pay MORE for help, low skilled workers might get a living wage as wages rise. Oh the humanity!

Actually, the OP is talking about political correctness, not economic displacement. For OP, what happens in elite college campuses is much more important than the factory floor.

Hillary would have won if she said she would limit legal immigration. Just saying she would enforce Everify would guarantee win. Saying she would focus on us workers and she would have won. But instead she abandoned us workers in favor of bezos and zuckerberg, her masters, from the valley of the Democrats. We need a new party not Silicon Valley , just a new version of old Time robber barons

Hillary lost for a lot of reasons, one of which was that her credibility was shot. So it doesn't matter what she would have said, too many people found her inauthentic. I don't it's a fair portrayal of her, but just adding one more triangulated position wasn't going to help.

DP. Yes, Hillary did lose for a lot of reasons and one of them is the point of this thread.

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What country on earth has a secure border without physical barriers?

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Anonymous wrote:What country on earth has a secure border without physical barriers?

Canada, France, Germany.. the list goes on.