TJHSST Class of 2017 College Destination List

[Anonymous]

Only 10 kids got admitted to MIT. Is the number usually that low?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on my read of the list the top few colleges offered admission to 680 students. Assuming 50% of them took the admission, that's 340. Out of 430 students. 79% admit rate to top schools! That's pretty impressive.

Even if you think some of these schools are not "top" you would still have over 50% of the kids going to "top" schools.

Here's my basis for the 680

UVA 191
W&M 142
Michigan 65
UMCP 54
UIUC 48
CMU 36
Georgia tech 35
UC Berkeley 34
Cornell 25
Upenn 15
Duke 13
Chicago 12
MIT 10

Total 680

You didn't take into account that some of the same kids got accepted to multiple schools. I don't think there are 680 kids in the class.

There are a few sentences before the numbers that you need to read. And, the post just above yours has updated info.

[Anonymous]

i see that 7 kids went to GMU. What's the draw with that school? Any particular programs that are really good? Financial aid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only 10 kids got admitted to MIT. Is the number usually that low?

Last year's class was widely viewed within TJ as one of the weaker classes. It will be interesting to see how the '18s compare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on my read of the list the top few colleges offered admission to 680 students. Assuming 50% of them took the admission, that's 340. Out of 430 students. 79% admit rate to top schools! That's pretty impressive.

Even if you think some of these schools are not "top" you would still have over 50% of the kids going to "top" schools.

Here's my basis for the 680

UVA 191
W&M 142
Michigan 65
UMCP 54
UIUC 48
CMU 36
Georgia tech 35
UC Berkeley 34
Cornell 25
Upenn 15
Duke 13
Chicago 12
MIT 10

Total 680

Why not do the same analysis with actual enrollment figures from last year?

http://thebullelephant.com/college-destinations-for-tjhsst-class-of-2017/

Including some missing schools to the above analysis and using actual admits from the link above, 237 of the 430 kids end up going to "top" schools. Here's the list.

Accepted Attending
UVA 191 62
W&M 142 38
Michigan 65 16
UMCP 54 5
UIUC 48 9
CMU 36 15
Georgia tech 35 1
UC Berkeley 34 11
Cornell 25 13
Upenn 15 6
Duke 13 7
Chicago 12 6
MIT 10 8
Stanford 7 5
Princeton 9 6
Harvard 6 4
Yale 8 4
Williams 3 1
Amherst 3 1
Columbia 4
US Military academy 1
Rice 3
Brown 3
Johns Hopkins 3
Harvey Mudd 2
US Airforce academu 2
US Coast guard 1

Total 716 237
% of acceptances 33%
Total students 430 55%

So...roughly half the class is accepted to W&M, UVA or both, and roughly 60% attend a school of at least W&M stature. From a selective magnet that only accepts top students that seems about right.

[Anonymous]

Who are these kids that are turning down Harvard, Princeton, Yale and Stanford?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who are these kids that are turning down Harvard, Princeton, Yale and Stanford?

There is probably a big overlap of the same kids getting accepted to those schools. So the kid who turned down Yale probably went to Harvard or Stanford...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on my read of the list the top few colleges offered admission to 680 students. Assuming 50% of them took the admission, that's 340. Out of 430 students. 79% admit rate to top schools! That's pretty impressive.

Even if you think some of these schools are not "top" you would still have over 50% of the kids going to "top" schools.

Here's my basis for the 680

UVA 191
W&M 142
Michigan 65
UMCP 54
UIUC 48
CMU 36
Georgia tech 35
UC Berkeley 34
Cornell 25
Upenn 15
Duke 13
Chicago 12
MIT 10

Total 680

You didn't take into account that some of the same kids got accepted to multiple schools. I don't think there are 680 kids in the class.

There are a few sentences before the numbers that you need to read. And, the post just above yours has updated info.

There's a big difference between 79% and 55%. There was no rational basis for your methodology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on my read of the list the top few colleges offered admission to 680 students. Assuming 50% of them took the admission, that's 340. Out of 430 students. 79% admit rate to top schools! That's pretty impressive.

Even if you think some of these schools are not "top" you would still have over 50% of the kids going to "top" schools.

Here's my basis for the 680

UVA 191
W&M 142
Michigan 65
UMCP 54
UIUC 48
CMU 36
Georgia tech 35
UC Berkeley 34
Cornell 25
Upenn 15
Duke 13
Chicago 12
MIT 10

Total 680

Why not do the same analysis with actual enrollment figures from last year?

http://thebullelephant.com/college-destinations-for-tjhsst-class-of-2017/

Including some missing schools to the above analysis and using actual admits from the link above, 237 of the 430 kids end up going to "top" schools. Here's the list.

Accepted Attending
UVA 191 62
W&M 142 38
Michigan 65 16
UMCP 54 5
UIUC 48 9
CMU 36 15
Georgia tech 35 1
UC Berkeley 34 11
Cornell 25 13
Upenn 15 6
Duke 13 7
Chicago 12 6
MIT 10 8
Stanford 7 5
Princeton 9 6
Harvard 6 4
Yale 8 4
Williams 3 1
Amherst 3 1
Columbia 4
US Military academy 1
Rice 3
Brown 3
Johns Hopkins 3
Harvey Mudd 2
US Airforce academu 2
US Coast guard 1

Total 716 237
% of acceptances 33%
Total students 430 55%

So...roughly half the class is accepted to W&M, UVA or both, and roughly 60% attend a school of at least W&M stature. From a selective magnet that only accepts top students that seems about right.

For one of the wealthiest areas of the country with a school that is supposedly the best of the best I am not impressed with these numbers at all. Less than 1/3 are going to truly great schools. Most of these kids could get into UVA or W&M from their base schools. I think this just shows once and for all there is no magic TJ effect. You should go there if you are interested in STEM otherwise just stay at your base school.

[Anonymous]

Very interesting thread. This is a very impressive list and I recognize that these are impressive STEM placements for the TJ graduates. Congratulations.

We are not in VA but in MD (Poolesville). We are also a donut hole family. Since we are middle class, immigrants, non-legacy, not URM, non-white and basically not networked, we have perhaps viewed magnet school education a bit differently than others. An Ivy admission is certainly not we are angling for.

What we want for our students first and foremost is an extremely rigorous and challenging academic curriculum. Next, the cohort is an essential component of the magnet experience because it immerses itself in academics/scholastic activities and raises the bar for the classroom environment, group projects and intellectual discourse and inquiry. Both these things are made possible in public schools through the magnet programs. Where a magnet public school trumps a rigorous private school in these two areas is that there is enough volume in the public schools of self-selected overachievers to make such activities and education possible and economical.

The final outcome of being in such programs for us is an exceptionally well prepared student who can continue to achieve success in the most rigorous of academic environment and subject area in college and beyond. As for Ivy schools - if they get admission in STEM areas in Ivy schools and there is a benefit in spending the education dollars there (Engineering from MIT) then it is worth it, but if the ultimate aim is to get into medicine then a pre-med from Harvard would be a waste of time and money for our student.

We all want to give a leg-up to our children. Our contribution as middle class parents is to make sure that they do not have student loans when they get out of college. Getting merit aid from strong non-Ivy schools and flagship state schools in STEM fields, will not only get our students the education they need to be successful in their career but also let them start their adult life without a debt burden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting thread. This is a very impressive list and I recognize that these are impressive STEM placements for the TJ graduates. Congratulations.

We are not in VA but in MD (Poolesville). We are also a donut hole family. Since we are middle class, immigrants, non-legacy, not URM, non-white and basically not networked, we have perhaps viewed magnet school education a bit differently than others. An Ivy admission is certainly not we are angling for.

What we want for our students first and foremost is an extremely rigorous and challenging academic curriculum. Next, the cohort is an essential component of the magnet experience because it immerses itself in academics/scholastic activities and raises the bar for the classroom environment, group projects and intellectual discourse and inquiry. Both these things are made possible in public schools through the magnet programs. Where a magnet public school trumps a rigorous private school in these two areas is that there is enough volume in the public schools of self-selected overachievers to make such activities and education possible and economical.

The final outcome of being in such programs for us is an exceptionally well prepared student who can continue to achieve success in the most rigorous of academic environment and subject area in college and beyond. As for Ivy schools - if they get admission in STEM areas in Ivy schools and there is a benefit in spending the education dollars there (Engineering from MIT) then it is worth it, but if the ultimate aim is to get into medicine then a pre-med from Harvard would be a waste of time and money for our student.

We all want to give a leg-up to our children. Our contribution as middle class parents is to make sure that they do not have student loans when they get out of college. Getting merit aid from strong non-Ivy schools and flagship state schools in STEM fields, will not only get our students the education they need to be successful in their career but also let them start their adult life without a debt burden.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
For one of the wealthiest areas of the country with a school that is supposedly the best of the best I am not impressed with these numbers at all. Less than 1/3 are going to truly great schools. Most of these kids could get into UVA or W&M from their base schools. I think this just shows once and for all there is no magic TJ effect. You should go there if you are interested in STEM otherwise just stay at your base school.

It is obvious your child is not in TJ nor could ever hope to get in there. You do not seem to have an understanding of this process. Yes, many great students from base schools also get into excellent schools into STEM programs. The reason is because there is a limit in admissions to TJ and other magnet programs. So the top 2% of students in base schools are getting into good schools too.

What TJ has provided to its students is a whole lot more than what is shown on the transcripts and that is not available in the base schools. Also, most TJ students got generous merit aid in these colleges in highly sought after courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
For one of the wealthiest areas of the country with a school that is supposedly the best of the best I am not impressed with these numbers at all. Less than 1/3 are going to truly great schools. Most of these kids could get into UVA or W&M from their base schools. I think this just shows once and for all there is no magic TJ effect. You should go there if you are interested in STEM otherwise just stay at your base school.

I disagree. All the schools listed in the analysis are at the level of UVA/W&M. 55% of the school gets into one of those, essentially the top half of the class. If you add in schools like Virginia Tech, the number is prob 70% (i did not do the actual math). The bottom 30% could have stayed at base and done better. They probably did not do well for a variety of reasons - they did not want to be there and are there due to parental pressure, they are the kids that prepped but would not have gotten in otherwise, etc.

I do agree that the 31-45% population (who did not make it into UVA but got into VA Tech for instance) may have done way better with far less effort at a base school.

I do not have knowledge of financial aid but it does appear that TJ kids get money in some cases. Again, strong base school kids may get the same offers as well.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know the TJ 2017 applied/accepted numbers for Dartmouth?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
For one of the wealthiest areas of the country with a school that is supposedly the best of the best I am not impressed with these numbers at all. Less than 1/3 are going to truly great schools. Most of these kids could get into UVA or W&M from their base schools. I think this just shows once and for all there is no magic TJ effect. You should go there if you are interested in STEM otherwise just stay at your base school.

I disagree. All the schools listed in the analysis are at the level of UVA/W&M. 55% of the school gets into one of those, essentially the top half of the class. If you add in schools like Virginia Tech, the number is prob 70% (i did not do the actual math). The bottom 30% could have stayed at base and done better. They probably did not do well for a variety of reasons - they did not want to be there and are there due to parental pressure, they are the kids that prepped but would not have gotten in otherwise, etc.

I do agree that the 31-45% population (who did not make it into UVA but got into VA Tech for instance) may have done way better with far less effort at a base school.

I do not have knowledge of financial aid but it does appear that TJ kids get money in some cases. Again, strong base school kids may get the same offers as well.

So you agree with me

All these kids would have gotten into a UVA/W&M form their base school. There are really few students going to elite schools and again they most likely would have gone to an elite school from their base school

And then we agree here

I do agree that the 31-45% population (who did not make it into UVA but got into VA Tech for instance) may have done way better with far less effort at a base school.

I do not have knowledge of financial aid but it does appear that TJ kids get money in some cases. Again, strong base school kids may get the same offers as well.