Protest Hogan's diversion of public funds from public schools into private schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In December 2016, the Baltimore Sun reported that 3,000 students received BOOST scholarships totaling $5,000,000 (or $1,666.67 per student average). See http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-boost-funding-20161213-story.html

Maryland PTA President Elizabeth Ysla Leight stated that "78%" of these 3,000 students were already attending private school, so 22% were not previously attending private school.

Let's say that the 3,000 students were evenly distributed between K-12 (13 total grades) and that every K student would have gone to private school anyway. That's 270 K students we can exclude.

Additionally, the 78% of 3,000 = 2,340.

Therefore, 390 (3,000 - 2,340 - 270) children who would have been in Maryland public schools instead went to private school at a cost of $1,666.67 each to the state, instead of $12,000 - $15,000/year each for public.

Let's assume the state-wide average public school cost is $13,500 per student.

390 x $13,500 = $5,265,000.

In other words, providing BOOST scholarships totaling $5,000,000 saved $5,265,000 in public school spending, and therefore effectively SAVED taxpayers $265,000.

In other words, all the complaining over BOOST is a farce.

It's not a good thing that 78% of those receiving Maryland taxpayer subsidies for private school were those whose parents already chosen to and had the resources to fund a private school education, even before the subsidies. What a waste of $. 5mn$ in taxpayer funding could have paid for a lot of teachers to reduce class sizes in my county.

+1 There are NO taxpayer savings here. If PP is saying that 78% of students receiving these subsidies were already in private school, why pay 5mn$ to subsidize them?

People have a right to make their own private choices--my tax dollars should not go to subsidize people who have made those choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
2. Enrollment goes up because of county building, which never ends. This is not the state's fault. The county increased property taxes 9% and with all the new properties they continue to build, the surplus should be going to the schools. Have you asked why they have not? You do realize the state's portion of the county education funding is half what the county puts in each year. Why isn't the county asking the COUNTY to increase their funding? Enrollment also goes up because Montgomery county is a welcoming sanctuary county. Frederick, Carroll, Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Cecil, etc... aren't sanctuary counties. Why should the state pay for the county's decision? Once again, this falls under the county's funding.

Enrollment is going up because Montgomery County's population is going up. How is it relevant whether or not that's the state's fault? Is Governor Hogan's position, "I didn't ask people to move to Montgomery County and have children, therefore the state should not provide additional funding for the additional population of Montgomery County?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In December 2016, the Baltimore Sun reported that 3,000 students received BOOST scholarships totaling $5,000,000 (or $1,666.67 per student average). See http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-boost-funding-20161213-story.html

Maryland PTA President Elizabeth Ysla Leight stated that "78%" of these 3,000 students were already attending private school, so 22% were not previously attending private school.

Let's say that the 3,000 students were evenly distributed between K-12 (13 total grades) and that every K student would have gone to private school anyway. That's 270 K students we can exclude.

Additionally, the 78% of 3,000 = 2,340.

Therefore, 390 (3,000 - 2,340 - 270) children who would have been in Maryland public schools instead went to private school at a cost of $1,666.67 each to the state, instead of $12,000 - $15,000/year each for public.

Let's assume the state-wide average public school cost is $13,500 per student.

390 x $13,500 = $5,265,000.

In other words, providing BOOST scholarships totaling $5,000,000 saved $5,265,000 in public school spending, and therefore effectively SAVED taxpayers $265,000.

In other words, all the complaining over BOOST is a farce.

It's not a good thing that 78% of those receiving Maryland taxpayer subsidies for private school were those whose parents already chosen to and had the resources to fund a private school education, even before the subsidies. What a waste of $. 5mn$ in taxpayer funding could have paid for a lot of teachers to reduce class sizes in my county.

+1 There are NO taxpayer savings here. If PP is saying that 78% of students receiving these subsidies were already in private school, why pay 5mn$ to subsidize them?

People have a right to make their own private choices--my tax dollars should not go to subsidize people who have made those choices.

The point of the post originally quoted is that BOOST has SAVED taxpayers money, despite covering a very small amount of costs for students from low-income families who were already enrolled in private school.

$5,265,000 was saved from being spent by public schools in losing 390 students to private schools. The program cost taxpayers a total of $5,000,000, which is $265,000 LESS THAN what it would have cost to educate those 390 students in public school.

You can argue whether students already enrolled in private schools should be eligible for BOOST funding, but BOOST in its current form results in a net savings for Maryland. Any arguments pertaining to BOOST shouldn't be about its costs.

[Anonymous]

Imagine how much money we'd save if we just got rid of the public school system altogether, eh? And we'd save even more if we got rid of the public road system and the public justice and public-safety systems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
2. Enrollment goes up because of county building, which never ends. This is not the state's fault. The county increased property taxes 9% and with all the new properties they continue to build, the surplus should be going to the schools. Have you asked why they have not? You do realize the state's portion of the county education funding is half what the county puts in each year. Why isn't the county asking the COUNTY to increase their funding? Enrollment also goes up because Montgomery county is a welcoming sanctuary county. Frederick, Carroll, Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Cecil, etc... aren't sanctuary counties. Why should the state pay for the county's decision? Once again, this falls under the county's funding.

Enrollment is going up because Montgomery County's population is going up. How is it relevant whether or not that's the state's fault? Is Governor Hogan's position, "I didn't ask people to move to Montgomery County and have children, therefore the state should not provide additional funding for the additional population of Montgomery County?"

And why is the population going up? Construction, houses, condos, townhouses, buildings, development that Montgomery County approved. How is that the state's issue. A county's job is to have enough schools for these developments or get the funds in advance to do so. They don't. Has the county raised builder tax fees? No. Why? Good question to ask the county, right? Again, not a state issue

Frederick raised them last year and they aren't building near as much as MCPS.
https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/levels_of_government/county/council/fees-could-go-up-on-developers-to-pay-for-school/article_05998aff-af4f-543a-be10-f3d2593b011d.html


And if the population continues to go up because of being a welcoming sanctuary county, that again can't go to the state for help. That is a county decision to happily say we will protect illegal immigrants. This is a county decision to send extra funding to the county health department to aid illegal families with whatever they need. Why not ask why those funds aren't going to the schools? http://www.mymcmedia.org/county-health-department-to-assist-families-facing-deportation/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In December 2016, the Baltimore Sun reported that 3,000 students received BOOST scholarships totaling $5,000,000 (or $1,666.67 per student average). See http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-boost-funding-20161213-story.html

Maryland PTA President Elizabeth Ysla Leight stated that "78%" of these 3,000 students were already attending private school, so 22% were not previously attending private school.

Let's say that the 3,000 students were evenly distributed between K-12 (13 total grades) and that every K student would have gone to private school anyway. That's 270 K students we can exclude.

Additionally, the 78% of 3,000 = 2,340.

Therefore, 390 (3,000 - 2,340 - 270) children who would have been in Maryland public schools instead went to private school at a cost of $1,666.67 each to the state, instead of $12,000 - $15,000/year each for public.

Let's assume the state-wide average public school cost is $13,500 per student.

390 x $13,500 = $5,265,000.

In other words, providing BOOST scholarships totaling $5,000,000 saved $5,265,000 in public school spending, and therefore effectively SAVED taxpayers $265,000.

In other words, all the complaining over BOOST is a farce.

It's not a good thing that 78% of those receiving Maryland taxpayer subsidies for private school were those whose parents already chosen to and had the resources to fund a private school education, even before the subsidies. What a waste of $. 5mn$ in taxpayer funding could have paid for a lot of teachers to reduce class sizes in my county.

+1 There are NO taxpayer savings here. If PP is saying that 78% of students receiving these subsidies were already in private school, why pay 5mn$ to subsidize them?

People have a right to make their own private choices--my tax dollars should not go to subsidize people who have made those choices.

The point of the post originally quoted is that BOOST has SAVED taxpayers money, despite covering a very small amount of costs for students from low-income families who were already enrolled in private school.

$5,265,000 was saved from being spent by public schools in losing 390 students to private schools. The program cost taxpayers a total of $5,000,000, which is $265,000 LESS THAN what it would have cost to educate those 390 students in public school.

You can argue whether students already enrolled in private schools should be eligible for BOOST funding, but BOOST in its current form results in a net savings for Maryland. Any arguments pertaining to BOOST shouldn't be about its costs.

That's great, but not the only purpose of funding education, don't you think? Vouchers have been shown to take support away from vulnerable student populations who need it the most. If we're saving money, it mustn't be on the backs of the poorest or the disabled children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And why is the population going up? Construction, houses, condos, townhouses, buildings, development that Montgomery County approved. How is that the state's issue. A county's job is to have enough schools for these developments or get the funds in advance to do so. They don't. Has the county raised builder tax fees? No. Why? Good question to ask the county, right? Again, not a state issue

Frederick raised them last year and they aren't building near as much as MCPS.
https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/levels_of_government/county/council/fees-could-go-up-on-developers-to-pay-for-school/article_05998aff-af4f-543a-be10-f3d2593b011d.html


And if the population continues to go up because of being a welcoming sanctuary county, that again can't go to the state for help. That is a county decision to happily say we will protect illegal immigrants. This is a county decision to send extra funding to the county health department to aid illegal families with whatever they need. Why not ask why those funds aren't going to the schools? http://www.mymcmedia.org/county-health-department-to-assist-families-facing-deportation/

If the new residents of Montgomery County are solely Montgomery County's responsibility, then surely you and Governor Hogan wouldn't object to the new residents' taxes going solely to Montgomery County, would you?

("Sanctuary county" doesn't mean what you think it means, by the way.)

[Anonymous]

Illegal aliens do not pay property taxes. Makes sense that is the tax they increase. Unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Illegal aliens do not pay property taxes. Makes sense that is the tax they increase. Unbelievable.

This is a bald-faced lie. Undocumented immigrants, like any other renter, pays property taxes through their landlord. FFS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Illegal aliens do not pay property taxes. Makes sense that is the tax they increase. Unbelievable.

Sure they do. Anybody who owns property pays property taxes. Property is owned by unauthorized immigrants as well as authorized immigrants and citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal aliens do not pay property taxes. Makes sense that is the tax they increase. Unbelievable.

Sure they do. Anybody who owns property pays property taxes. Property is owned by unauthorized immigrants as well as authorized immigrants and citizens.

^^^and corporations, and people who have never even set foot in the US, and...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In December 2016, the Baltimore Sun reported that 3,000 students received BOOST scholarships totaling $5,000,000 (or $1,666.67 per student average). See http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-hogan-boost-funding-20161213-story.html

Maryland PTA President Elizabeth Ysla Leight stated that "78%" of these 3,000 students were already attending private school, so 22% were not previously attending private school.

Let's say that the 3,000 students were evenly distributed between K-12 (13 total grades) and that every K student would have gone to private school anyway. That's 270 K students we can exclude.

Additionally, the 78% of 3,000 = 2,340.

Therefore, 390 (3,000 - 2,340 - 270) children who would have been in Maryland public schools instead went to private school at a cost of $1,666.67 each to the state, instead of $12,000 - $15,000/year each for public.

Let's assume the state-wide average public school cost is $13,500 per student.

390 x $13,500 = $5,265,000.

In other words, providing BOOST scholarships totaling $5,000,000 saved $5,265,000 in public school spending, and therefore effectively SAVED taxpayers $265,000.

In other words, all the complaining over BOOST is a farce.

It's not a good thing that 78% of those receiving Maryland taxpayer subsidies for private school were those whose parents already chosen to and had the resources to fund a private school education, even before the subsidies. What a waste of $. 5mn$ in taxpayer funding could have paid for a lot of teachers to reduce class sizes in my county.

+1 There are NO taxpayer savings here. If PP is saying that 78% of students receiving these subsidies were already in private school, why pay 5mn$ to subsidize them?

People have a right to make their own private choices--my tax dollars should not go to subsidize people who have made those choices.

The point of the post originally quoted is that BOOST has SAVED taxpayers money, despite covering a very small amount of costs for students from low-income families who were already enrolled in private school.

$5,265,000 was saved from being spent by public schools in losing 390 students to private schools. The program cost taxpayers a total of $5,000,000, which is $265,000 LESS THAN what it would have cost to educate those 390 students in public school.

You can argue whether students already enrolled in private schools should be eligible for BOOST funding, but BOOST in its current form results in a net savings for Maryland. Any arguments pertaining to BOOST shouldn't be about its costs.

That's great, but not the only purpose of funding education, don't you think? Vouchers have been shown to take support away from vulnerable student populations who need it the most. If we're saving money, it mustn't be on the backs of the poorest or the disabled children.

This argument makes me sick..class warfare. Come on.....

[Anonymous]

The people benefiting are either wealthy taxpayers who pay more in taxes anyway or people who are on the fringes of being able to pay for private. If these students stay in private, there's more tax money available for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's great, but not the only purpose of funding education, don't you think? Vouchers have been shown to take support away from vulnerable student populations who need it the most. If we're saving money, it mustn't be on the backs of the poorest or the disabled children.

This argument makes me sick..class warfare. Come on.....

How is it class warfare to say that affluent people shouldn't benefit to the detriment of poor people and children with disabilities?

Now if you said that it's fine for affluent people to benefit to the detriment of poor people and children with disabilities, I would agree that this was class warfare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people benefiting are either wealthy taxpayers who pay more in taxes anyway or people who are on the fringes of being able to pay for private. If these students stay in private, there's more tax money available for everyone else.

I don't understand. Are you saying that the public school system is better off when children from wealthier families go to private school?