Sanders can't win the general election--why are people so blind to that?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't read through the entire thread, but I don't know why people are so confident Hillary Clinton can win a general election.

So many independents and moderate Republicans simply don't like her (some for irrational reasons or reasons they can't articulate, but it doesn't change the reality that they won't vote for her).

That's not a reason NOT to vote for her in the primary. But rather it just shows that that argument that you should vote for Hillary over Bernie because Bernie can't win is not a very good argument.

Did you happen to see Reason.com's (libertarian publication) #friendsday vido of Hillary Clinton on facebook? That's just one reason why swing voters have had enough of the establishment candidates like she is.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how primary voters in both parties seem to be sick to death of the establishment and are looking to outsiders to save the country -- Sanders and Trump.

Interesting that people actually see Sanders (a career politician) as an outsider.

That is the most ironic thing in this race

Again, you guys really need to get together and agree on talking points. Is Sanders such an extremist that he could never get elected -- the premise of this thread -- or is he just another establishment politician? You can't really have it both ways.

I don't understand why he can't be both. He's been in Congress for 25 years and is arguably an established politician. His views are on the extreme left. Which of the two points do you disagree with?

+1. Stupid question. Plenty of people who've been rattling around congress forever but are pretty extreme in their positions and could never be elected president. Why are these things difficult to reconcile?

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jsteele wrote:Here are the current poll averages from Real Clear Politics:

Clinton v Trump: Clinton +4.0
Clinton v Cruz: Cruz +1.0
Clinton v Rubio: Rubio +5.0

Sanders v Trump: Sanders +7.7
Sanders v Cruz: Sanders +1.5
Sanders v Rubio: Rubio +1.5


Sanders does better than Clinton in every match up. So, I think your premise may not be correct

This. Clinton isn't likable enough.

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jsteele wrote:Here are the current poll averages from Real Clear Politics:

Clinton v Trump: Clinton +4.0
Clinton v Cruz: Cruz +1.0
Clinton v Rubio: Rubio +5.0

Sanders v Trump: Sanders +7.7
Sanders v Cruz: Sanders +1.5
Sanders v Rubio: Rubio +1.5


Sanders does better than Clinton in every match up. So, I think your premise may not be correct

This. Clinton isn't likable enough.

And Sanders is? He sounds like an angry grandpa. I mean, how fitting that Larry David is playing him

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

Tell me how Sanders as POTUS can do that.

I know he will try to find a way to do it. I don't know how. But he won't owe favors to the people corrupting the political system.

so someone can come along and promise the moon and I should believe them?

No that's what Hillary is doing.

I'm sorry, you just lost me there. The emperor has no clothes, pp

I believe Bernie because these have been issues and his concerns for a long time. He's not changing his focus based on polling, etc. He's focusing on issues he's passionate about.

That is not the case for Hillary.

That's not fair or true.

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jsteele wrote:Here are the current poll averages from Real Clear Politics:

Clinton v Trump: Clinton +4.0
Clinton v Cruz: Cruz +1.0
Clinton v Rubio: Rubio +5.0

Sanders v Trump: Sanders +7.7
Sanders v Cruz: Sanders +1.5
Sanders v Rubio: Rubio +1.5


Sanders does better than Clinton in every match up. So, I think your premise may not be correct

This. Clinton isn't likable enough.

And Sanders is? He sounds like an angry grandpa. I mean, how fitting that Larry David is playing him

I'd totally vote for Larry David.

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jsteele wrote:Here are the current poll averages from Real Clear Politics:

Clinton v Trump: Clinton +4.0
Clinton v Cruz: Cruz +1.0
Clinton v Rubio: Rubio +5.0

Sanders v Trump: Sanders +7.7
Sanders v Cruz: Sanders +1.5
Sanders v Rubio: Rubio +1.5


Sanders does better than Clinton in every match up. So, I think your premise may not be correct

This. Clinton isn't likable enough.

Everyone with half a brain knows this is because no one has run attack ads on Sanders. Hillary won't because she doesn't want to alienate his supporters and republicans won't do it now because they would rather face him than Hillary in the general. They will find many ways to swift boat him (focusing on ax increases and socialism being two very obvious ways).

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't read through the entire thread, but I don't know why people are so confident Hillary Clinton can win a general election.

So many independents and moderate Republicans simply don't like her (some for irrational reasons or reasons they can't articulate, but it doesn't change the reality that they won't vote for her).

That's not a reason NOT to vote for her in the primary. But rather it just shows that that argument that you should vote for Hillary over Bernie because Bernie can't win is not a very good argument.

+1

One reason I support Sanders is because I think he actually has a better shot in the general election than Hillary does. I think many Democrats underestimate how loathed she is. I think there are plenty of those on the right who will be motivated to vote just to beat her, and if the Republican nominee is someone even vaguely sane, like Jeb or Kasich (which right now is hard to imagine), then there are folks on the left who will stay home rather than vote for her.

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I'm sorry, but it's Hillary's turn. It's women's turn. It's our turn. Fuck another white man in office, I don't care how liberal he is. Women need to be heard and we need to be on the map. It's fucking time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

Pretty much this.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't read through the entire thread, but I don't know why people are so confident Hillary Clinton can win a general election.

So many independents and moderate Republicans simply don't like her (some for irrational reasons or reasons they can't articulate, but it doesn't change the reality that they won't vote for her).

That's not a reason NOT to vote for her in the primary. But rather it just shows that that argument that you should vote for Hillary over Bernie because Bernie can't win is not a very good argument.

+1

One reason I support Sanders is because I think he actually has a better shot in the general election than Hillary does. I think many Democrats underestimate how loathed she is. I think there are plenty of those on the right who will be motivated to vote just to beat her, and if the Republican nominee is someone even vaguely sane, like Jeb or Kasich (which right now is hard to imagine), then there are folks on the left who will stay home rather than vote for her.

True fact-- HRC most admired woman in 2015 for record 20th year, per Gallup. http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx

Enjoy tomorrow night, sanders fans, the road afterwards will be more rocky.

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Anonymous wrote:^^

Wow. Ouch.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but it's Hillary's turn. It's women's turn. It's our turn. Fuck another white man in office, I don't care how liberal he is. Women need to be heard and we need to be on the map. It's fucking time.

I'm a woman, and I want to be heard, and I am sick and tired of money making political decisions in our country, from gun control, prison reform, health care, etc.

I will use my voice/vote in support of Bernie.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

Pretty much this.

Takes a constitutional amendment to fix campaign financing so that's not happening anytime soon.