UMD/UVA Admissions without Affirmative Action

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i don't thnk there are enough asians in the dmv area to turn uva and umd into berkeley, ucla, and uc-irvine in terms of asian demographics.

So people, calm down, those schools aren't going to get TJ'ed.

If you build it (enroll it, that is), they will come. But seriously, why is that so bad? Academic meritocracy in science and tech is good for the US, to increase global competitiveness. Raise the bar and more students will meet the higher expectations.

[Anonymous]

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Why do they bother playing college sports and not just go directly to the professional leagues?

Professional leagues for lacrosse, swimming, squash, crew, skiing, sailing and water polo? The only leagues are SLAC and IVY.

What's the point if you can't become a professional athlete? Why do the schools spend money on these programs?

NCAA athletes graduate at a higher rate than the rest of the school population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why do they bother playing college sports and not just go directly to the professional leagues?

Professional leagues for lacrosse, swimming, squash, crew, skiing, sailing and water polo? The only leagues are SLAC and IVY.

What's the point if you can't become a professional athlete? Why do the schools spend money on these programs?

NCAA athletes graduate at a higher rate than the rest of the school population.

Sorry hit send too early - first big sports = big money. Little sports = Title IX education law.

And NCAA athletes graduate at a higher rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does "point taken" mean? If it's 85% Asians, so be it.

no, I really don't want Dc in a basically all-Asian enclave. School should be so much more than just an academic grind.

what's your asian cut-off? if You were in cali, would cal and ucla be too asian to send snowflake to?

What's your ideal % for asians in your school? Or jews for that matter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i don't thnk there are enough asians in the dmv area to turn uva and umd into berkeley, ucla, and uc-irvine in terms of asian demographics.

So people, calm down, those schools aren't going to get TJ'ed.

If you build it (enroll it, that is), they will come. But seriously, why is that so bad? Academic meritocracy in science and tech is good for the US, to increase global competitiveness. Raise the bar and more students will meet the higher expectations.

They will come, agreed, but not to the clip white people will start to get too worried about due to sheer lack of asians in DMV compared to california.

Getting more asians at UVA or UMD is not really going to push either school that much higher in collegiate rankings to have a glut of out-of-state asians applying to either school.

It isn't bad btw, i fully support removing all affirmative action. I'm just saying due to local/regional demographics currently and the near future, these two schools wont turn into flagship uc's demographically. Same thing with UMich or UT-austin....not turning into top uc's demographically anytime soon even if AA is fully removed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i don't thnk there are enough asians in the dmv area to turn uva and umd into berkeley, ucla, and uc-irvine in terms of asian demographics.

So people, calm down, those schools aren't going to get TJ'ed.

If you build it (enroll it, that is), they will come. But seriously, why is that so bad? Academic meritocracy in science and tech is good for the US, to increase global competitiveness. Raise the bar and more students will meet the higher expectations.

They will come, agreed, but not to the clip white people will start to get too worried about due to sheer lack of asians in DMV compared to california.

Getting more asians at UVA or UMD is not really going to push either school that much higher in collegiate rankings to have a glut of out-of-state asians applying to either school.

It isn't bad btw, i fully support removing all affirmative action. I'm just saying due to local/regional demographics currently and the near future, these two schools wont turn into flagship uc's demographically. Same thing with UMich or UT-austin....not turning into top uc's demographically anytime soon even if AA is fully removed.

They won't be out of state asians. The families move wherever there are opportunities for employment and schools. So more will settle into the areas. But again, why is that so bad? Asians make up a small percentage of the population so it's not like they will overtake and become the majority. And if they dominate education, that shows there is a need to improve and become competitive with people who come to this country, often poor and unable to speak English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are all overlooking the legacy problem. Most colleges and universities slot 30% of openings to legacies. So your incoming class for a state school is legacies; maximum allowed out-of-state kids (paying full freight); diversity candidates; overseas candidates; financially disadvantaged candidates; geographical selections to equal out distribution from the entire state; and, then, finally, the top scores (GPA) with 15 AP courses and top SAT or ACT scores, which means your normal, good, white, very hard-working kid with a 3.8 and great but not perfect test scores doesn't have a chance to get into their own state university system that mom and dad have been supporting for 20 years via property taxes.

This really galls me. I'm an asian parent - and don't you white parents think that MY "normal, good, asian, very hard-working kid with a 3.8 and great but not perfect test scores" shouldn't have an equal chance of getting admitted to the same state schools that I have also supported with property taxes for the last 20 years? Why is it assumed that the asian kids who are superstars must compete with the normal white kids for spots, why not the normal asian kids competing with the normal white kids? The underlying assumption that there is some white kid being "cheated" out of a college spot by some overachieving asian kid is just wrong - the overachieving asian kid deserved it more - just as any overachieving white kid would deserve a spot more than a "normal" white kid. Asians shouldn't stand for this false choice that underlies the whole diversity argument.

[Anonymous]

When we visited Berkeley I thought I was in an Asian country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When we visited Berkeley I thought I was in an Asian country.

How did it make you feel?