I Opened Pandora's Box

Anonymous
OP, I'm the PP from before, who worked through this in my own marriage. Before I say more, please remember that everyone is unique. There could be countless other issues at work for you that were not issues for me, and I don't mean to project. These are just things for you to consider, as they may be helpful:

First, even though your husband says he's fine with the past, that does not mean it does not affect him, it just means he loves you and accepts you for who you are. Especially since you said you've never talked about it with him, you don't know what, exactly, he thinks, and I'm sure he censors himself because he doesn't want to make you feel bad AND he doesn't want to talk about it either, because then he had to confront feelings he doesn't want to feel.

Look, our society says no one should care how many people one's spouse has slept with, period. For a man to admit it's hurtful to think of his wife with another man, especially, is hard. But no matter what society says, our bodies are designed to bond through sex. It's normal to feel sadness and pain over the past, from both sides. And the magnetism you feel is normal, too, because a woman's body is biologically programmed to bond intensely through sex. That was revelatory for me.

I totally, completely get the feeling of being "tarnished" and unworthy of satisfying sex. I also would rather die than bring it up, and just shouldered it as a just "punishment" for what I had done in the past.

But here is the most crucial thing, OP: does your HUSBAND deserve a lifetime of unsatisfying sex because of what YOU did in the past? Why should HE be punished? Because by withholding your most intimate thoughts and your deepest fears and insecurities from him, you are withholding the possibility of mind blowing sex with him.

You say you love him so much. Well, YOU have the power to break through all these issues and give him the opportunity to experience incredible sex. Because the best sex happens when a man and a woman make themselves vulnerable, trust one another completely, and embrace each other whole.

Don't you see? By punishing yourself, you are punishing him, too. You are withholding yourself from him, because you've convinced yourself he can't ever possibly satisfy you, because you don't deserve satisfaction. I'm telling you, yes, you do! Because love actually does conquer all, including the past.

Now, of course, I don't know why your husband is turning you down so much. There could be a million other reasons. But this is heavy on your heart right now, and the only thing you can control is you. So why not take this as an opportunity to work through these deep-seated issues? You are right--it could initially hurt a lot to do so. But the payoff could be so great, and the status quo is unacceptable.

I started with the sacrament of reconciliation and moved on from there, but you can start with a simple apology to your husband. As I said, you can just keep it general, if it is too hard to get the words out: "Sweetheart, I don't know if I've ever said this before, but I want you to know I am so sorry for my past. I wish, with all my heart and soul, that there was nothing like that between us. Thank you for loving me as I am. I've been carrying around so much guilt and shame, and I can't take it anymore. I don't want there to be anything between us. I love you, and I want to be closer to you than ever before. Did you have any idea I felt this way?"

Just see what he says. He may have buried any feelings of inadequacy and hurt really deep down, so he may not have much to say at first. But at least you'll have started the conversation.

I don't want to say much about the particulars of my situation, because this is not about me, but I'll just say that it took a long, long time, and many painful talks, but now, our physical relationship is so incredible, beyond my wildest imaginations. He gives me more pleasure than I ever could have dreamed possible. We are in such a good place. I believe you'll get there, too, OP!
Anonymous
Aaargh. Or you can just accept your wholeness AS a fully sexual person with a variety of experiences, NONE OF THEM SHAMEFUL, and meet your husband as the full human being you are.

PP with the supposed biology argument, you're making it up. Lifelong monogamy isn't "normal" where it isn't economically necessary.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Op here. He contacted me to apologize. He's not married and he didn't know that I was married.

I was reading an article with Jill Scott and she talked about being "dickmatized". She said it's when the sex is so amazing that you are outside in the daytime with a flashlight looking for that man. That's ex for me.

I have puts lots of effort into improving that aspect of my marriage, but it hasn't worked. I've tried talking,being specific, buying books, etc. He's just the type that wants to just lay there. He'll participate if I start it off- but I have to put in most of the work. He's not interested in any toys or anything as that is a turn off to him. It hasn't been important because I love my husband. And I know he loves me. He makes me feel so loved all of the time...but not necessarily "wanted" in a sexual way.

I love him so much that I have actually been crying
about this because I feel guilty. How can I look
him in the face knowing that I've had such terrible thoughts?

I feel like I should apologize to him and ask for forgiveness. I didn't "do" anything, but in my mind I did. I should have known better than to even respond. I feel terrible.

The best amends you can make are to stop all contact, not apologize to your dh! There is no need to involve him in this....
Anonymous
To the PP who's wife isn't giving him any and is rejecting his touch, tell her point blank what you need and how you feel. If she continues to reject you, find a girlfriend, could be your ex, could be someone else. Don't have this relationship in secret. Give your wife first crack at fixing things, but if she says no, you have your answer. No person has the right to cut another person off from sex and physical as well as emotionally intamacy.
Anonymous
+1
Anonymous
OP, it seems that you are deeply ashamed of having a prior sexual partner, to the point that you are basically flagellating yourself to a pulp. This is something you need to work through and let go of - otherwise you won't be able to address this issue in your marriage with a clear head.
Your emotional reaction to this is way out of proportion to the event, and it just isn't healthy or rational.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, it seems that you are deeply ashamed of having a prior sexual partner, to the point that you are basically flagellating yourself to a pulp. This is something you need to work through and let go of - otherwise you won't be able to address this issue in your marriage with a clear head.
Your emotional reaction to this is way out of proportion to the event, and it just isn't healthy or rational.


No, that's just an excuse to justify my inappropriate behavior. There was no reason for me to engage him in any conversation period- especially such an extended one.

Let's say I was just trying to be polite. Ok, still there is no excuse for me to let his compliments and all that get into my head. It was wrong, it was inappropriate, and I certainly would not be happy if my husband was the one doing that. Then on top of that, I let all these fantasies occupy my mind to the point where I am very distracted. There's just no justfying that. It was disrespecful.

I take my marriage very seriously. And I take full responsibility for my mistakes. I'd be hurt beyond belief if DH said he'd like to have sex with someone else. I can't blame anything but my own foolishness.

I am thinking about what the PP said on how to correct this. I must admit, she is probably right, but that's a tough pill to swallow. I don't know if I am there yet because I'd rather bury things than dig them up. But I do wonder, if the PP is still around... did you figure this out on your own, did you go to counseling, pray all the time...how did all of this come together?


Anonymous
Lordy, you are uptight and neurotic. Sorry, I've been watching this thread, and I was very sympathetic to you at first, but this is getting ridiculous. Ever heard the expression "I'm married, not dead?" So you flirted with an old flame and it rekindled a little lust. Shit like that happens -- to almost everyone. You didn't jump his bones, did you? If you can't get past this on your own, get some help, but I'd say that the issues you need to resolve extend beyond this incident. No shame in that, but it is what it is.
Anonymous
I agree with OP. I think it's foul. 18:02 you must be one of those nasty pantied women I talked about earlier. You know the type, you could suck off a coworker and then come home and kiss your husband and kids without thinking twice. You probably have your husband washing your nasty semen stained panties.

I don't know how many times I've talked about this on here. Stop looking up the past. Leave it alone!! The only reason I wasn't hard on OP is because at least she feels bad. And she should feel bad. But at the same time, just don't do it again OP. Learn from it, don't do it again, and certainly do NOT tell your husband.

Are you still talking to him or something? If you are, stop.
If you are not, then just leave it alone and don't do
it again.
Anonymous
18:25, you are sicker than OP. Telling OP she shouldn't feel guilty because she had a few "impure" thoughts but didn't act on them = "18:02 you must be one of those nasty pantied women I talked about earlier. You know the type, you could suck off a coworker and then come home and kiss your husband and kids without thinking twice. You probably have your husband washing your nasty semen stained panties."

Church lady, I do have something YOU could suck off. . .
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:18:25, you are sicker than OP. Telling OP she shouldn't feel guilty because she had a few "impure" thoughts but didn't act on them = "18:02 you must be one of those nasty pantied women I talked about earlier. You know the type, you could suck off a coworker and then come home and kiss your husband and kids without thinking twice. You probably have your husband washing your nasty semen stained panties."

Church lady, I do have something YOU could suck off. . .


How am I sick? OP should feel bad. I say this all the time on this forum. Stop with all the FB garbage. Leave the past in the past. But people don't listen. And you women are nasty. Nasty, nasty, nasty. You don't care about who you share your body with. You'll sleep with anything. Sucking all day like it's drinking water. You are probably the same ones in that "sexually fluid" thread. Yup, I'm the one that said you are animals who need to go to the zoo and hump monkeys all day. At least OP is trying to have some sense of decency, but the rest of you are heathens.


Anonymous
OP, if I was your husband, I would want to know this is bothering you. We have a philosophy in my marriage that being open and honest with each other is the key to everything else. You could say to him, "there is something I would like to talk about" and take it from there. Most other guys I know would appreciate their wife taking the time to reveal more of their true self. We're not stupid. We know you dated before we came along and vice versa.

As for improving your sex life. On occasion, my wife has told me that she would like me to do something new or differently. How did she get that thought? Was it something another guy did or she read in a magazine or a friend talked about? I have no idea but I would be sick to my stomach if I didn't know and never tried.

I think you should take a chance on your husband really understanding you and building some emotional intimacy instead of thinking that he has the maturity of a teenager and is going to be hurt but what you might say.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:18:25, you are sicker than OP. Telling OP she shouldn't feel guilty because she had a few "impure" thoughts but didn't act on them = "18:02 you must be one of those nasty pantied women I talked about earlier. You know the type, you could suck off a coworker and then come home and kiss your husband and kids without thinking twice. You probably have your husband washing your nasty semen stained panties."

Church lady, I do have something YOU could suck off. . .


How am I sick? OP should feel bad. I say this all the time on this forum. Stop with all the FB garbage. Leave the past in the past. But people don't listen. And you women are nasty. Nasty, nasty, nasty. You don't care about who you share your body with. You'll sleep with anything. Sucking all day like it's drinking water. You are probably the same ones in that "sexually fluid" thread. Yup, I'm the one that said you are animals who need to go to the zoo and hump monkeys all day. At least OP is trying to have some sense of decency, but the rest of you are heathens.




Your church probably provides some form of counseling. You should get it. This level of obsession with other people's behavior is evidence of profound disturbance.

By the way, I'm bisexual and have been faultlessly faithful throughout my long marriage.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:18:25, you are sicker than OP. Telling OP she shouldn't feel guilty because she had a few "impure" thoughts but didn't act on them = "18:02 you must be one of those nasty pantied women I talked about earlier. You know the type, you could suck off a coworker and then come home and kiss your husband and kids without thinking twice. You probably have your husband washing your nasty semen stained panties."

Church lady, I do have something YOU could suck off. . .


How am I sick? OP should feel bad. I say this all the time on this forum. Stop with all the FB garbage. Leave the past in the past. But people don't listen. And you women are nasty. Nasty, nasty, nasty. You don't care about who you share your body with. You'll sleep with anything. Sucking all day like it's drinking water. You are probably the same ones in that "sexually fluid" thread. Yup, I'm the one that said you are animals who need to go to the zoo and hump monkeys all day. At least OP is trying to have some sense of decency, but the rest of you are heathens.




Your church probably provides some form of counseling. You should get it. This level of obsession with other people's behavior is evidence of profound disturbance.

By the way, I'm bisexual and have been faultlessly faithful throughout my long marriage.



This has nothing to do with church.

What is disturbing is people like you who support this bisexual myth. There is no such thing as bisexual. You are either gay, straight, asexual, or just plain gross. I've said this already today. Men today, women tomorrow, donkeys on the weekend...how do you pick your flavor? That's just a state of confusion and filth. Pick a side, stick to it. If you are gay- be gay. If you are straight- be straight. No one should ever proudly admit that they'll sleep with anything. You are a human being, not a Discovery Channel wildlife special. Calm your loins, and conduct yourself accordingly. Just because I find some of you to be nasty women it doesn't mean I am obsessed. Some of you are just nasty, and most of you have no idea what faithful is. Faithfully jacking off to other people...okay.

I think OP was wrong, but I am not being harsh with her. I just think it's crazy to call her crazy just because you lack any sort of moral compass.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:To the PP who's wife isn't giving him any and is rejecting his touch, tell her point blank what you need and how you feel. If she continues to reject you, find a girlfriend, could be your ex, could be someone else. Don't have this relationship in secret. Give your wife first crack at fixing things, but if she says no, you have your answer. No person has the right to cut another person off from sex and physical as well as emotionally intamacy.


I am the PP and thank you for the note. Might I inquire if you are DW or DH - doesn't matter just trying to gain perspective.

Thanks
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