Teams that are diversity friendly

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Volley Viet

But OP is looking for older girls and 5 would like to stay together. This club js known for taking returning players and there will only be a spot of one wants to leave. They are extremely loyal, more than other clubs, which might cut if someone with more skill comes along.

You won’t be able to get 5 girls together at an older age on a VV team.

It is unreasonable to think that 5 girls would manage to stay together unless they are trying out for a less competitive club. Their level of play must be way over the club average to have a chance to displace the returning players. Or a club with poor retention rate (which is a red flag for other reasons). The club will prefer their returning players if the new players trying out are at the same or slightly better level. Some clubs may want to replace some of their own players due to attitude or stagnation (or even height), but you rarely see good clubs replacing 5 players.

I never said that they needed to be on the same team.

Then this is more realistic. Good luck and hope you have a better experience no matter where you end up going!

Thank you. Hopefully, we can send a message to teams that don't appreciate players for any reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VA:
Volley Viet

But OP is looking for older girls and 5 would like to stay together. This club js known for taking returning players and there will only be a spot of one wants to leave. They are extremely loyal, more than other clubs, which might cut if someone with more skill comes along.

You won’t be able to get 5 girls together at an older age on a VV team.

It is unreasonable to think that 5 girls would manage to stay together unless they are trying out for a less competitive club. Their level of play must be way over the club average to have a chance to displace the returning players. Or a club with poor retention rate (which is a red flag for other reasons). The club will prefer their returning players if the new players trying out are at the same or slightly better level. Some clubs may want to replace some of their own players due to attitude or stagnation (or even height), but you rarely see good clubs replacing 5 players.

I never said that they needed to be on the same team.

Then this is more realistic. Good luck and hope you have a better experience no matter where you end up going!

Thank you. Hopefully, we can send a message to teams that don't appreciate players for any reason.

Sports? Most coaches only like the best players regardless of race. Get away from the racist coach, but it’s not realistic to find a coach that appreciates every player. I wish it were realistic, but it’s not especially for older children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VA:
Volley Viet

But OP is looking for older girls and 5 would like to stay together. This club js known for taking returning players and there will only be a spot of one wants to leave. They are extremely loyal, more than other clubs, which might cut if someone with more skill comes along.

You won’t be able to get 5 girls together at an older age on a VV team.

It is unreasonable to think that 5 girls would manage to stay together unless they are trying out for a less competitive club. Their level of play must be way over the club average to have a chance to displace the returning players. Or a club with poor retention rate (which is a red flag for other reasons). The club will prefer their returning players if the new players trying out are at the same or slightly better level. Some clubs may want to replace some of their own players due to attitude or stagnation (or even height), but you rarely see good clubs replacing 5 players.

I never said that they needed to be on the same team.

Then this is more realistic. Good luck and hope you have a better experience no matter where you end up going!

Thank you. Hopefully, we can send a message to teams that don't appreciate players for any reason.

It will be good to know the club in question to help others to steer clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:VA:
Volley Viet

But OP is looking for older girls and 5 would like to stay together. This club js known for taking returning players and there will only be a spot of one wants to leave. They are extremely loyal, more than other clubs, which might cut if someone with more skill comes along.

You won’t be able to get 5 girls together at an older age on a VV team.

It is unreasonable to think that 5 girls would manage to stay together unless they are trying out for a less competitive club. Their level of play must be way over the club average to have a chance to displace the returning players. Or a club with poor retention rate (which is a red flag for other reasons). The club will prefer their returning players if the new players trying out are at the same or slightly better level. Some clubs may want to replace some of their own players due to attitude or stagnation (or even height), but you rarely see good clubs replacing 5 players.

I never said that they needed to be on the same team.

Then this is more realistic. Good luck and hope you have a better experience no matter where you end up going!

Thank you. Hopefully, we can send a message to teams that don't appreciate players for any reason.

Sports? Most coaches only like the best players regardless of race. Get away from the racist coach, but it’s not realistic to find a coach that appreciates every player. I wish it were realistic, but it’s not especially for older children.

+1 on this comment. Star players stay star players even if you/ we don’t think they are and are always treated differently even if others don’t see or believe they are. In the same vein, returning players are also way more likely to sit more and feel less seen unless they are a rockstar. When you switch teams unless your child is a super star new player you should expect they will have an uphill road ahead to prove themselves. As well as fit in with the players and existing relationships and team dynamics. Switching clubs at older ages as others have said is tough for a lot of reasons. It requires your player to really work hard and it may only be the example you shared before they are allowed to shine. Best of luck! Folks switch for a ton of reasons with coaching issues topping the list.

[Anonymous]

OP, help us all out and please say what club you are talking about? This is troubling to hear happened to you, but the posts are all so vague I have no idea who we should call in (not call out!) to do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, help us all out and please say what club you are talking about? This is troubling to hear happened to you, but the posts are all so vague I have no idea who we should call in (not call out!) to do better.

I am sorry, but the organization is petty. We can't risk being blackballed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, help us all out and please say what club you are talking about? This is troubling to hear happened to you, but the posts are all so vague I have no idea who we should call in (not call out!) to do better.

I am sorry, but the organization is petty. We can't risk being blackballed.

But you are saying you are being discriminated against, and your kid isn't playing regardless, apparently. What would blackballing even look like in this scenario?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, help us all out and please say what club you are talking about? This is troubling to hear happened to you, but the posts are all so vague I have no idea who we should call in (not call out!) to do better.

I am sorry, but the organization is petty. We can't risk being blackballed.

But you are saying you are being discriminated against, and your kid isn't playing regardless, apparently. What would blackballing even look like in this scenario?!

Let the OP find a new home before you ask for more details.

The OP mentioned that other coaches played the better players in circumstances when their coach could not be present at tournaments. Maybe it's just that one team and other teams in the club have better court time policies.

[Anonymous]

If other coaches at the club are better, I hope you have at least already talked to the club director about your concerns. Sorry you have had a bad experience this season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, help us all out and please say what club you are talking about? This is troubling to hear happened to you, but the posts are all so vague I have no idea who we should call in (not call out!) to do better.

I am sorry, but the organization is petty. We can't risk being blackballed.

But you are saying you are being discriminated against, and your kid isn't playing regardless, apparently. What would blackballing even look like in this scenario?!

Coaches from various teams talk to each other. You don't want to be the parent that accuses a former club of racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If other coaches at the club are better, I hope you have at least already talked to the club director about your concerns. Sorry you have had a bad experience this season.

I wouldn't let one season determine our direction. I tried to communicate with the director, but she denied everything and admitted she hadn't watched a game. It was bizarre.

Then I was threatened for rocking the boat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, can you be more specific about your experiences? I don’t need club info but I want to be aware of what might be going on so that asa a parent I don’t find myself in a position to give a silent nod to any type of discriminatory behavior.

Sure,

It's pretty obvious on out team. We have four kids that never leave the court that just aren't good enough to earn that type of privilege. One has only sat out four rotations in five tournaments.

The first red flag is that the team had only three travel players return from 13u. Only one returned because of location. They brought in four additional kids of color and the rest was filled mostly with players from the 13u lower regional team.

We carry 13 players. Eight white and five of color. The statistics show that six of those players play the majority of the minutes. Also two will consistently have more errors than points. One of those has only left the floor four times in five entire tournaments.

Given it's almost impossible to play a volleyball tournament with only eight players, they will sometimes rotate in a kid of color. Although four of the five kids of color have better stats than the white kids, the kids of color hardly see playing time.

The few times we have won we had four kids of color in the rotation. Although they didn't have the same opportunity to make mistakes as the white kids, we played much better. It should be noted that we had a different coach in all those instances.

As I said, it should be pretty obvious about what's going on. Everyone on the team sees it.

The best advice I can give is to any parent is to watch the old games on Hudl, YouTube, and other platforms. You can see the level of play and progress of the players. The body language of the coaches and players is also a great indicator of potential dysfunction. See if they are coaching the kids up on the sidelines.

I've seen this dynamic in all sports.
White players have "potential" and "upside" and they are treated like the player that the coaches imagine they will one day become.
Minority players are only as good as what they have actually achieved, they are treated as if they have maxxed out their potential.
It's not necessarily overt racism but it is racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi, can you be more specific about your experiences? I don’t need club info but I want to be aware of what might be going on so that asa a parent I don’t find myself in a position to give a silent nod to any type of discriminatory behavior.

Sure,

It's pretty obvious on out team. We have four kids that never leave the court that just aren't good enough to earn that type of privilege. One has only sat out four rotations in five tournaments.

The first red flag is that the team had only three travel players return from 13u. Only one returned because of location. They brought in four additional kids of color and the rest was filled mostly with players from the 13u lower regional team.

We carry 13 players. Eight white and five of color. The statistics show that six of those players play the majority of the minutes. Also two will consistently have more errors than points. One of those has only left the floor four times in five entire tournaments.

Given it's almost impossible to play a volleyball tournament with only eight players, they will sometimes rotate in a kid of color. Although four of the five kids of color have better stats than the white kids, the kids of color hardly see playing time.

The few times we have won we had four kids of color in the rotation. Although they didn't have the same opportunity to make mistakes as the white kids, we played much better. It should be noted that we had a different coach in all those instances.

As I said, it should be pretty obvious about what's going on. Everyone on the team sees it.

The best advice I can give is to any parent is to watch the old games on Hudl, YouTube, and other platforms. You can see the level of play and progress of the players. The body language of the coaches and players is also a great indicator of potential dysfunction. See if they are coaching the kids up on the sidelines.

I've seen this dynamic in all sports.
White players have "potential" and "upside" and they are treated like the player that the coaches imagine they will one day become.
Minority players are only as good as what they have actually achieved, they are treated as if they have maxxed out their potential.
It's not necessarily overt racism but it is racism.

The inverse happens on our team. Is that also racism? Asking genuinely, as I've never thought of it that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi, can you be more specific about your experiences? I don’t need club info but I want to be aware of what might be going on so that asa a parent I don’t find myself in a position to give a silent nod to any type of discriminatory behavior.

Sure,

It's pretty obvious on out team. We have four kids that never leave the court that just aren't good enough to earn that type of privilege. One has only sat out four rotations in five tournaments.

The first red flag is that the team had only three travel players return from 13u. Only one returned because of location. They brought in four additional kids of color and the rest was filled mostly with players from the 13u lower regional team.

We carry 13 players. Eight white and five of color. The statistics show that six of those players play the majority of the minutes. Also two will consistently have more errors than points. One of those has only left the floor four times in five entire tournaments.

Given it's almost impossible to play a volleyball tournament with only eight players, they will sometimes rotate in a kid of color. Although four of the five kids of color have better stats than the white kids, the kids of color hardly see playing time.

The few times we have won we had four kids of color in the rotation. Although they didn't have the same opportunity to make mistakes as the white kids, we played much better. It should be noted that we had a different coach in all those instances.

As I said, it should be pretty obvious about what's going on. Everyone on the team sees it.

The best advice I can give is to any parent is to watch the old games on Hudl, YouTube, and other platforms. You can see the level of play and progress of the players. The body language of the coaches and players is also a great indicator of potential dysfunction. See if they are coaching the kids up on the sidelines.

I've seen this dynamic in all sports.
White players have "potential" and "upside" and they are treated like the player that the coaches imagine they will one day become.
Minority players are only as good as what they have actually achieved, they are treated as if they have maxxed out their potential.
It's not necessarily overt racism but it is racism.

The inverse happens on our team. Is that also racism? Asking genuinely, as I've never thought of it that way.

This is so ubiquitous that they came up with a name for it: inverse-racism. White folks believe that losing privilege is more outrageous if not equivalent to racism. This is the reason why we have Trump as president: he tells it how he sees it, which means he has a pass to be an outright racist. And that's exactly why all the DEI programs are being dismantled. There is a price to pay for trying to put a cap on white privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi, can you be more specific about your experiences? I don’t need club info but I want to be aware of what might be going on so that asa a parent I don’t find myself in a position to give a silent nod to any type of discriminatory behavior.

Sure,

It's pretty obvious on out team. We have four kids that never leave the court that just aren't good enough to earn that type of privilege. One has only sat out four rotations in five tournaments.

The first red flag is that the team had only three travel players return from 13u. Only one returned because of location. They brought in four additional kids of color and the rest was filled mostly with players from the 13u lower regional team.

We carry 13 players. Eight white and five of color. The statistics show that six of those players play the majority of the minutes. Also two will consistently have more errors than points. One of those has only left the floor four times in five entire tournaments.

Given it's almost impossible to play a volleyball tournament with only eight players, they will sometimes rotate in a kid of color. Although four of the five kids of color have better stats than the white kids, the kids of color hardly see playing time.

The few times we have won we had four kids of color in the rotation. Although they didn't have the same opportunity to make mistakes as the white kids, we played much better. It should be noted that we had a different coach in all those instances.

As I said, it should be pretty obvious about what's going on. Everyone on the team sees it.

The best advice I can give is to any parent is to watch the old games on Hudl, YouTube, and other platforms. You can see the level of play and progress of the players. The body language of the coaches and players is also a great indicator of potential dysfunction. See if they are coaching the kids up on the sidelines.

I've seen this dynamic in all sports.
White players have "potential" and "upside" and they are treated like the player that the coaches imagine they will one day become.
Minority players are only as good as what they have actually achieved, they are treated as if they have maxxed out their potential.
It's not necessarily overt racism but it is racism.

The inverse happens on our team. Is that also racism? Asking genuinely, as I've never thought of it that way.

This is so ubiquitous that they came up with a name for it: inverse-racism. White folks believe that losing privilege is more outrageous if not equivalent to racism. This is the reason why we have Trump as president: he tells it how he sees it, which means he has a pass to be an outright racist. And that's exactly why all the DEI programs are being dismantled. There is a price to pay for trying to put a cap on white privilege.

Truth.