Did your DC apply to a LAC with ED (or ED1)?

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Depends on humanity and record to back it up. But if it is philosophy or history (male majors) and unhooked, big mistake. You would think males have a SLAC advantage, but at Williams ED they don’t. 39% of males in the school are athletes ( greater proportion than females). The proportion of freshman athlete slots has to be closer to 45% due to attrition. And almost all are ED.

I say this not to make you feel bad, but to alert future applicants. Most top unhooked students have already gotten the memo not to apply ED to Williams and the like. They don’t, and Williams does not get the top tier unhooked students that they used to.

Williams deserves this, to be hoist on their own athletics petard.

What is the point of this. It’s November.

There is still an ED2 round for many LACs in January, so it's good for people to know not to waste ED2 on LAC unless it's their only top option. If they like a large or mid-sized they should go there.

People should ED to their top option. The end.

Amen.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

and it's for unhooked...

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

Do you believe that 3.7 would get into Carleton ED without being a recruited athlete? Thought I’d calibrate the athlete parent delusion meter this morning…

Depends on the HS. Does an unhooked 3.85 ever get into Princeton or is that lower 50% of class. There are many kinds of GPAs

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

Yes the type of school matters. A 3.7 in a MD public school where 50%+ have a 4.0 is below average. At our MA private, 3.7 puts you in the top third of a very competitive class (all were straight A students plus rigorous essay/EC vetting in middle school just to get admitted into HS). No grade inflation, retakes or rounding up.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Williams really cares a lot about GPA than test score. At least at our school.

At DC's magnet, which is abput 90% Asian and white, there are a lot of high GPA kids. For WASP, test scores seem to be a primary discriminator. Most kids admitted have 1550+ and 35+ scores. Low test scores / TO not getting in unless hooked.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

And, yes, this is TT NYC. Maybe three kids every year graduate with a 4.0.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

Yes the type of school matters. A 3.7 in a MD public school where 50%+ have a 4.0 is below average. At our MA private, 3.7 puts you in the top third of a very competitive class (all were straight A students plus rigorous essay/EC vetting in middle school just to get admitted into HS). No grade inflation, retakes or rounding up.

Exactly. That's why stats aren't entirely informative without knowing the school profile.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

And, yes, this is TT NYC. Maybe three kids every year graduate with a 4.0.

Sorry. Is the Carleton kid from one of these schools? And Carleton is also a different animal — much lower percentage of athletes.

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Is it just me or does the number of EDs to LACs seem lower in your DC's class than 5 years ago?

With my older, LACs were more popular. With my middle kid, everyone seems to be wanting to go to bigger places. It's interesting.

Or maybe it's because LACs don't really provide a huge ED advantage given the huge number of recruited athletes that saturate the ED rounds?

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

And, yes, this is TT NYC. Maybe three kids every year graduate with a 4.0.

Sorry. Is the Carleton kid from one of these schools? And Carleton is also a different animal — much lower percentage of athletes.

Yes, he is.