Tulane bans HS from ED for 1 year after student backs out

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Anonymous wrote:Bunch of boot lickers in this thread. Colleges take advantage of you all the time; might as well squeeze what you can out of them.

+1

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Tulane is taking a page out of the mafia playbook

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Anonymous wrote:We know someone that was accepted ED to a top 20 school but backed out when accepted to a service academy. Told the school his parents were getting a divorce and could no longer afford it, but given the excruciating process of getting admission to a service academy, I’m assuming the divorce was just the excuse.

No repercussions against his HS, that I’m aware of.

Oh, this will be allowed. The Service Academies do not offer ED or EA or SCEA. It's RD for everyone. Our DC went through the West Point application process - which a very long and demanding process. But also applied ED to a T20 private university. The ED admission came before the West Point decision. So DC followed the rules, and removed the West Point app, and attends the private university. However, there was an understanding that you can prioritize a Service Academy appointment over an ED acceptance. Absolutely no university is suing anyone for choosing West Point or Annapolis or the Air Force Academy. Especially if there is a change in financial circumstances - such as a divorce - which is very legitimate reason to defer from an ED commitment for any student. In the example above, nobody did anything wrong.

AI says otherwise:

Yes, a service academy will likely rescind an offer of admission if it discovers a student broke a binding Early Decision (ED) agreement with another college. This is considered a serious breach of ethics and integrity that service academies expect from candidates.

Not honoring an ED commitment does not seem like something Service academies would condone

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Tulane for being direct and explaining why they are no longer taking students from a particular high school. It's very straightforward. And presumably the high school in question and the families that attend that school will no longer engage in such unethical behavior. That's much more fair and effective than the soft bans. A lot of competitive high schools suffer from soft bans due to unethical behavior by prior applicants. Your naviance data will tell you exactly which universities hate your school. Tulane is being straightforward, which is better all around. There are nearly 30,000 high schools in the US. The vast majority play by the rules. I don't think there's anything wrong with naming and shaming the high schools that engage in this kind of unethical behavior. These aren't permanent bans - just incentives to get their act together.

+1 Dishonesty and lying are shameful behaviors that deserve strong consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bunch of boot lickers in this thread. Colleges take advantage of you all the time; might as well squeeze what you can out of them.

Not everyone is deceitful and dishonest like you. Good luck in life as an unethical liar.

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I’m wondering about Colorado Academy’s CC’s specific role in all this. Did she have any say over the kid backing out of the ED agreement? Did she communicate with the parents and remind them that they too signed the agreement? Does the school have a separate ED agreement saying if a student backs out of an ED agreement, then the school will withhold transcripts from other colleges?

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I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

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Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

Ok. Breaking the rules of the ED application has consequences. Live with the consequences of your behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m wondering about Colorado Academy’s CC’s specific role in all this. Did she have any say over the kid backing out of the ED agreement? Did she communicate with the parents and remind them that they too signed the agreement? Does the school have a separate ED agreement saying if a student backs out of an ED agreement, then the school will withhold transcripts from other colleges?

Read the article. There are quotes from the Colorado Academy college counselor.

Three other high schools also received the ban from Tulane. The NYT ended the article with a short form to fill out if you have more information about this. Stay tuned. More will come out.

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Colleges that used to get 8,000 applications max in the days I was applying are now getting well over 50,000. ED is one way to mitigate this randomness for those who know what they want and are not just blanketing all selective schools with applications just for the heck of it. I can’t imagine how even more random college admissions will become if they eliminate ED, or if everyone fails to honor ED commitments. At the very least if ED is eliminated we need some restriction on how many colleges students can apply to.

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Anonymous wrote:The counselor, student, and parents signed a binding agreement.

Not legally binding

Is there something legally binding saying Tulane must allow ED from all schools?

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Anonymous wrote:The counselor, student, and parents signed a binding agreement.

Not legally binding

Is there something legally binding saying Tulane must allow ED from all schools?

Absolutely not. They’re a private school. And they’re not discriminating based on a protected class. No student from Colorado Academy or the other three unnamed high schools is banned from applying there through regular decision.

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Anonymous wrote:There are independent college counselors actively advising kids not to pull EA applications if accepted ED. They specifically tell the families that your school college counselor will not be able to see whether you pull the apps. If you get into a better school in EA, claim you had a change in circumstances (divorce, loss of job, ill parent need to be closer to home) and pull out of ED. This is 100% happening. IYKYK

Why would college counselors send transcripts and other documents from the HS to any other college then the ED choice?

Because November 1 is also the EA deadline and it’s perfectly acceptable to apply ED to one schools and EA (or early rolling) to a bunch of others. Counselors sending transcripts to EA/rolling schools is the system working as intended.

You can also apply RD in November/December before your ED decision comes out. The college counselors send everything when you apply. This isn’t that hard to figure out.

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Anonymous wrote:Those schools should switch to common app. Common app doesn’t allow more than one ED.

I love ED and hope it lasts at least long enough for my second child! It’s a great option for kids not wanting to play the field. DD had a very realistic first choice and wanted an answer as soon as possible. It was great.

Oh, Common App is very easy to get around. You apply apply EA via the Common App and then just switch your "Decision Round" to ED in the school's portal. As you long as you can get a school counselor to sign the form, there is zero limit to the number of schools you can apply ED to.

Well that’s on the counselor then. I highly doubt a public school counselor such as our would allow it. Regardless, we used ED as intended and it worked beautifully for us. I’m so tired of upper middle class whiners claiming that ED won’t let them shop merit aid. Boo-effing-hoo. Kids with true need do fine in ED. Use the NPC and apply places you can afford. You’ll live.

Oh you’re a gem.

Sorry you spent too much on private HS and now can’t afford the private college you want.

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Anonymous wrote:The counselor, student, and parents signed a binding agreement.

Not legally binding

Is there something legally binding saying Tulane must allow ED from all schools?

Absolutely not. They’re a private school. And they’re not discriminating based on a protected class. No student from Colorado Academy or the other three unnamed high schools is banned from applying there through regular decision.

Doesn’t Tulane also have an EA round the students could use to apply early?