Gifted & talented programs and magnet school opportunities in the public schools?

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Anonymous wrote:To OP: do you believe your kid(s) is truly gifted, talented, and self-determined? If yes, choose FCPS, and try to push them to TJ. If they can't get in, several FCPS HSs are still pretty good and competitive, but TJ is a a whole new level.

If you believe your kids are somewhat gifted but not one of a kind, choose Howard county. Marriotts Ridge, Centennial or Clarksville are all very descent.

If you believe your kids are probably just high-achiever, and hard to tell the long-term trend, and you want them to enjoy a happy easygoing life and you are satisfied with UMD, you can try Bethesda or Potomac.

We moved to MoCo for the true jewelry on the top: the magnet/RMIB. Our elder one is lucky enough to ride through it with maximizing their education experience. We observed the consistent decline of education over the past 15 years or so under the name of so many popular words. Now these only jewels are going to be removed soon. Don't come for a good education for gifted kids. Period.

The very top, talented, gifted kids in the area are in MoCo.

I said, those very top talented and gifted kids in MCPS were identified and very well served by the magnet pathway in the past, but less and less since the lottery. I know quite some families moved to MoCo intentionally for these GT opportunities. Now the entire new regional model is going to kill the HS merit-based magnet program completely. Families with gifted kids will fleet away. FCPS serves these kids well, and HCPS does an overall good job. MCPS is a sinking ship.

Folks need to stop all the fearful conjecture. There is no indication at this point that the magnets will not continue to be successful in the new proposed regional model. In fact it has consistently been said there will continue to be criteria based and interest based options. Further while folks are trying to fawn over FCPS and HCPS, guess what there are families in those districts that complain about them just like folks complain about MCPS. The grass isn’t always greener somewhere else.

If you have ever had a kid who had been able to fill their entire junior and senior years with those higher-level magnet classes, you'll know how naive you are about regional magnet can be comparable. No they can barely meet the mere minimum even the region include one of the "W" school: you simply cannot find those good teachers anywhere else in MCPS.

For TJ, since I've mentored quite a few TJ students during the past decade, I can see at least based on the ones I've supervised for conducting research, that program is not diluted for top students. Blair and TJ students are comparable in capability, self-motivation and aptitudes, but Blair will loose quickly once it becomes regional.

For folks who have not experienced in real life, it’s really hard to convince them.

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Anonymous wrote:The magnet programs at all levels are outstanding. Unfortunately, for ES and MS you can only access them through a lottery so the vast majority of qualified students can’t join the programs, which have limited seats.

MCPS is about to change the upper ES/MS math pathways soon, so that’s up in the air.

And they are completely changing MS and HS magnets, as well, probably making more seats available but somewhat watered down programs, staff, and student criteria. No one knows what the outcomes will be, so any info we have on current programs will be obsolete by Fall 2027.

The curricular opportunities and enriched/accelerated offerings at regular home schools exist, but don’t really meet the needs of gifted students much of the time, particularly in middle school which is the weak link.

Thx. I am the OP and this lottery system for G&T really worries me.

It’s not a good system, but it could change. It was not a lottery pre-pandemic. They’ve changed admissions procedures a number of times. Things are very in flux right now with the superintendent. But I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The elementary program is called Centers for Enriched Studies and is in 4th and 5th only. There are four local sites, meaning they only serve students who are zoned to those schools, so you have a greater chance of getting a spot:

Rachel Carson ES
Piney Branch ES
Spark M. Matsunaga ES
Stonegate ES

Then there are regional sites, which serve many schools so your child may have to change schools in 4th to attend them, and there is less likelihood of getting a spot:

Barnsley ES
Chevy Chase ES
Clearspring ES
Cold Spring ES
Drew ES
Fox Chapel ES
Milk Creek Towne ES
Oak View ES
Pine Crest ES

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/center-enriched-studies/

So there are a handful of schools where rather than being a longshot in the CES lottery, there is a special local CES just for kids at that school? That seems incredibly unfair, how on earth do they justify that?

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Anonymous wrote:To OP: do you believe your kid(s) is truly gifted, talented, and self-determined? If yes, choose FCPS, and try to push them to TJ. If they can't get in, several FCPS HSs are still pretty good and competitive, but TJ is a a whole new level.

If you believe your kids are somewhat gifted but not one of a kind, choose Howard county. Marriotts Ridge, Centennial or Clarksville are all very descent.

If you believe your kids are probably just high-achiever, and hard to tell the long-term trend, and you want them to enjoy a happy easygoing life and you are satisfied with UMD, you can try Bethesda or Potomac.

We moved to MoCo for the true jewelry on the top: the magnet/RMIB. Our elder one is lucky enough to ride through it with maximizing their education experience. We observed the consistent decline of education over the past 15 years or so under the name of so many popular words. Now these only jewels are going to be removed soon. Don't come for a good education for gifted kids. Period.

The very top, talented, gifted kids in the area are in MoCo.

I said, those very top talented and gifted kids in MCPS were identified and very well served by the magnet pathway in the past, but less and less since the lottery. I know quite some families moved to MoCo intentionally for these GT opportunities. Now the entire new regional model is going to kill the HS merit-based magnet program completely. Families with gifted kids will fleet away. FCPS serves these kids well, and HCPS does an overall good job. MCPS is a sinking ship.

Folks need to stop all the fearful conjecture. There is no indication at this point that the magnets will not continue to be successful in the new proposed regional model. In fact it has consistently been said there will continue to be criteria based and interest based options. Further while folks are trying to fawn over FCPS and HCPS, guess what there are families in those districts that complain about them just like folks complain about MCPS. The grass isn’t always greener somewhere else.

If you have ever had a kid who had been able to fill their entire junior and senior years with those higher-level magnet classes, you'll know how naive you are about regional magnet can be comparable. No they can barely meet the mere minimum even the region include one of the "W" school: you simply cannot find those good teachers anywhere else in MCPS.

For TJ, since I've mentored quite a few TJ students during the past decade, I can see at least based on the ones I've supervised for conducting research, that program is not diluted for top students. Blair and TJ students are comparable in capability, self-motivation and aptitudes, but Blair will loose quickly once it becomes regional.

Those who believe regional magnets can match the success of countywide programs are either out of touch or just wishful thinking. Countywide magnets bring together top talent, specialized staff, and diverse peers to create the depth and rigor gifted students need. Regional models may offer access, but they dilute quality and weaken the very structure that makes these programs effective. It’s way better to just expand Blair magnet than splitting to many regions.

Your point is invalid and wrong because Blair is a regional magnet, and is the best, most successful magnet in the area.

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Anonymous wrote:To OP: do you believe your kid(s) is truly gifted, talented, and self-determined? If yes, choose FCPS, and try to push them to TJ. If they can't get in, several FCPS HSs are still pretty good and competitive, but TJ is a a whole new level.

If you believe your kids are somewhat gifted but not one of a kind, choose Howard county. Marriotts Ridge, Centennial or Clarksville are all very descent.

If you believe your kids are probably just high-achiever, and hard to tell the long-term trend, and you want them to enjoy a happy easygoing life and you are satisfied with UMD, you can try Bethesda or Potomac.

We moved to MoCo for the true jewelry on the top: the magnet/RMIB. Our elder one is lucky enough to ride through it with maximizing their education experience. We observed the consistent decline of education over the past 15 years or so under the name of so many popular words. Now these only jewels are going to be removed soon. Don't come for a good education for gifted kids. Period.

The very top, talented, gifted kids in the area are in MoCo.

I said, those very top talented and gifted kids in MCPS were identified and very well served by the magnet pathway in the past, but less and less since the lottery. I know quite some families moved to MoCo intentionally for these GT opportunities. Now the entire new regional model is going to kill the HS merit-based magnet program completely. Families with gifted kids will fleet away. FCPS serves these kids well, and HCPS does an overall good job. MCPS is a sinking ship.

Folks need to stop all the fearful conjecture. There is no indication at this point that the magnets will not continue to be successful in the new proposed regional model. In fact it has consistently been said there will continue to be criteria based and interest based options. Further while folks are trying to fawn over FCPS and HCPS, guess what there are families in those districts that complain about them just like folks complain about MCPS. The grass isn’t always greener somewhere else.

If you have ever had a kid who had been able to fill their entire junior and senior years with those higher-level magnet classes, you'll know how naive you are about regional magnet can be comparable. No they can barely meet the mere minimum even the region include one of the "W" school: you simply cannot find those good teachers anywhere else in MCPS.

For TJ, since I've mentored quite a few TJ students during the past decade, I can see at least based on the ones I've supervised for conducting research, that program is not diluted for top students. Blair and TJ students are comparable in capability, self-motivation and aptitudes, but Blair will loose quickly once it becomes regional.

Those who believe regional magnets can match the success of countywide programs are either out of touch or just wishful thinking. Countywide magnets bring together top talent, specialized staff, and diverse peers to create the depth and rigor gifted students need. Regional models may offer access, but they dilute quality and weaken the very structure that makes these programs effective. It’s way better to just expand Blair magnet than splitting to many regions.

Your point is invalid and wrong because Blair is a regional magnet, and is the best, most successful magnet in the area.

More than half of the county’s high schools ,16 out of 25, feed into the Blair Magnet Program. That means the program is truly countywide in reach, not limited to a small geographic area. Breaking the county into just 6 smaller regions would represent a fundamentally different structure, narrowing access and reducing the broad representation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To OP: do you believe your kid(s) is truly gifted, talented, and self-determined? If yes, choose FCPS, and try to push them to TJ. If they can't get in, several FCPS HSs are still pretty good and competitive, but TJ is a a whole new level.

If you believe your kids are somewhat gifted but not one of a kind, choose Howard county. Marriotts Ridge, Centennial or Clarksville are all very descent.

If you believe your kids are probably just high-achiever, and hard to tell the long-term trend, and you want them to enjoy a happy easygoing life and you are satisfied with UMD, you can try Bethesda or Potomac.

We moved to MoCo for the true jewelry on the top: the magnet/RMIB. Our elder one is lucky enough to ride through it with maximizing their education experience. We observed the consistent decline of education over the past 15 years or so under the name of so many popular words. Now these only jewels are going to be removed soon. Don't come for a good education for gifted kids. Period.

The very top, talented, gifted kids in the area are in MoCo.

I said, those very top talented and gifted kids in MCPS were identified and very well served by the magnet pathway in the past, but less and less since the lottery. I know quite some families moved to MoCo intentionally for these GT opportunities. Now the entire new regional model is going to kill the HS merit-based magnet program completely. Families with gifted kids will fleet away. FCPS serves these kids well, and HCPS does an overall good job. MCPS is a sinking ship.

I have to agree with this post. My three kids are all doctors came out of MCPS magnet HSs. My youngest graduated in 2015 from RMIB. MCPS used to recognize kids at the top end of spectrum need special support as much as kids at the bottom end of the spectrum. Last 10 years or so, MCPS has definitely moved away from addressing the needs of truly gifted kids to finding more "equity" between all kids. We are truly lucky that our kids graduated before this madness but it's very sad to see the decline if you have truly gifted kids.

The system has changed in the past 10 years. Smart kids get left behind all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:To OP: do you believe your kid(s) is truly gifted, talented, and self-determined? If yes, choose FCPS, and try to push them to TJ. If they can't get in, several FCPS HSs are still pretty good and competitive, but TJ is a a whole new level.

If you believe your kids are somewhat gifted but not one of a kind, choose Howard county. Marriotts Ridge, Centennial or Clarksville are all very descent.

If you believe your kids are probably just high-achiever, and hard to tell the long-term trend, and you want them to enjoy a happy easygoing life and you are satisfied with UMD, you can try Bethesda or Potomac.

We moved to MoCo for the true jewelry on the top: the magnet/RMIB. Our elder one is lucky enough to ride through it with maximizing their education experience. We observed the consistent decline of education over the past 15 years or so under the name of so many popular words. Now these only jewels are going to be removed soon. Don't come for a good education for gifted kids. Period.

The very top, talented, gifted kids in the area are in MoCo.

I said, those very top talented and gifted kids in MCPS were identified and very well served by the magnet pathway in the past, but less and less since the lottery. I know quite some families moved to MoCo intentionally for these GT opportunities. Now the entire new regional model is going to kill the HS merit-based magnet program completely. Families with gifted kids will fleet away. FCPS serves these kids well, and HCPS does an overall good job. MCPS is a sinking ship.

Folks need to stop all the fearful conjecture. There is no indication at this point that the magnets will not continue to be successful in the new proposed regional model. In fact it has consistently been said there will continue to be criteria based and interest based options. Further while folks are trying to fawn over FCPS and HCPS, guess what there are families in those districts that complain about them just like folks complain about MCPS. The grass isn’t always greener somewhere else.

If you have ever had a kid who had been able to fill their entire junior and senior years with those higher-level magnet classes, you'll know how naive you are about regional magnet can be comparable. No they can barely meet the mere minimum even the region include one of the "W" school: you simply cannot find those good teachers anywhere else in MCPS.

For TJ, since I've mentored quite a few TJ students during the past decade, I can see at least based on the ones I've supervised for conducting research, that program is not diluted for top students. Blair and TJ students are comparable in capability, self-motivation and aptitudes, but Blair will loose quickly once it becomes regional.

Those who believe regional magnets can match the success of countywide programs are either out of touch or just wishful thinking. Countywide magnets bring together top talent, specialized staff, and diverse peers to create the depth and rigor gifted students need. Regional models may offer access, but they dilute quality and weaken the very structure that makes these programs effective. It’s way better to just expand Blair magnet than splitting to many regions.

Your point is invalid and wrong because Blair is a regional magnet, and is the best, most successful magnet in the area.

More than half of the county’s high schools ,16 out of 25, feed into the Blair Magnet Program. That means the program is truly countywide in reach, not limited to a small geographic area. Breaking the county into just 6 smaller regions would represent a fundamentally different structure, narrowing access and reducing the broad representation.

It still not a countywide magnet. It's a regional magnet whether it it consists of 16, 8 or 6 schools.
I think I get it now...many are screaming "the sky is falling", "the program will be watered down" because Blair won't be in their regions. They're going to lose access to Blair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The elementary program is called Centers for Enriched Studies and is in 4th and 5th only. There are four local sites, meaning they only serve students who are zoned to those schools, so you have a greater chance of getting a spot:

Rachel Carson ES
Piney Branch ES
Spark M. Matsunaga ES
Stonegate ES

Then there are regional sites, which serve many schools so your child may have to change schools in 4th to attend them, and there is less likelihood of getting a spot:

Barnsley ES
Chevy Chase ES
Clearspring ES
Cold Spring ES
Drew ES
Fox Chapel ES
Milk Creek Towne ES
Oak View ES
Pine Crest ES

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/center-enriched-studies/

So there are a handful of schools where rather than being a longshot in the CES lottery, there is a special local CES just for kids at that school? That seems incredibly unfair, how on earth do they justify that?

Like so many other things, they avoid talking about that bit of detail.

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Anonymous wrote:To OP: do you believe your kid(s) is truly gifted, talented, and self-determined? If yes, choose FCPS, and try to push them to TJ. If they can't get in, several FCPS HSs are still pretty good and competitive, but TJ is a a whole new level.

If you believe your kids are somewhat gifted but not one of a kind, choose Howard county. Marriotts Ridge, Centennial or Clarksville are all very descent.

If you believe your kids are probably just high-achiever, and hard to tell the long-term trend, and you want them to enjoy a happy easygoing life and you are satisfied with UMD, you can try Bethesda or Potomac.

We moved to MoCo for the true jewelry on the top: the magnet/RMIB. Our elder one is lucky enough to ride through it with maximizing their education experience. We observed the consistent decline of education over the past 15 years or so under the name of so many popular words. Now these only jewels are going to be removed soon. Don't come for a good education for gifted kids. Period.

The very top, talented, gifted kids in the area are in MoCo.

I said, those very top talented and gifted kids in MCPS were identified and very well served by the magnet pathway in the past, but less and less since the lottery. I know quite some families moved to MoCo intentionally for these GT opportunities. Now the entire new regional model is going to kill the HS merit-based magnet program completely. Families with gifted kids will fleet away. FCPS serves these kids well, and HCPS does an overall good job. MCPS is a sinking ship.

Folks need to stop all the fearful conjecture. There is no indication at this point that the magnets will not continue to be successful in the new proposed regional model. In fact it has consistently been said there will continue to be criteria based and interest based options. Further while folks are trying to fawn over FCPS and HCPS, guess what there are families in those districts that complain about them just like folks complain about MCPS. The grass isn’t always greener somewhere else.

If you have ever had a kid who had been able to fill their entire junior and senior years with those higher-level magnet classes, you'll know how naive you are about regional magnet can be comparable. No they can barely meet the mere minimum even the region include one of the "W" school: you simply cannot find those good teachers anywhere else in MCPS.

For TJ, since I've mentored quite a few TJ students during the past decade, I can see at least based on the ones I've supervised for conducting research, that program is not diluted for top students. Blair and TJ students are comparable in capability, self-motivation and aptitudes, but Blair will loose quickly once it becomes regional.

Those who believe regional magnets can match the success of countywide programs are either out of touch or just wishful thinking. Countywide magnets bring together top talent, specialized staff, and diverse peers to create the depth and rigor gifted students need. Regional models may offer access, but they dilute quality and weaken the very structure that makes these programs effective. It’s way better to just expand Blair magnet than splitting to many regions.

Your point is invalid and wrong because Blair is a regional magnet, and is the best, most successful magnet in the area.

More than half of the county’s high schools ,16 out of 25, feed into the Blair Magnet Program. That means the program is truly countywide in reach, not limited to a small geographic area. Breaking the county into just 6 smaller regions would represent a fundamentally different structure, narrowing access and reducing the broad representation.

It still not a countywide magnet. It's a regional magnet whether it it consists of 16, 8 or 6 schools.
I think I get it now...many are screaming "the sky is falling", "the program will be watered down" because Blair won't be in their regions. They're going to lose access to Blair.

You really don't.

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Anonymous wrote:To OP: do you believe your kid(s) is truly gifted, talented, and self-determined? If yes, choose FCPS, and try to push them to TJ. If they can't get in, several FCPS HSs are still pretty good and competitive, but TJ is a a whole new level.

If you believe your kids are somewhat gifted but not one of a kind, choose Howard county. Marriotts Ridge, Centennial or Clarksville are all very descent.

If you believe your kids are probably just high-achiever, and hard to tell the long-term trend, and you want them to enjoy a happy easygoing life and you are satisfied with UMD, you can try Bethesda or Potomac.

We moved to MoCo for the true jewelry on the top: the magnet/RMIB. Our elder one is lucky enough to ride through it with maximizing their education experience. We observed the consistent decline of education over the past 15 years or so under the name of so many popular words. Now these only jewels are going to be removed soon. Don't come for a good education for gifted kids. Period.

The very top, talented, gifted kids in the area are in MoCo.

I said, those very top talented and gifted kids in MCPS were identified and very well served by the magnet pathway in the past, but less and less since the lottery. I know quite some families moved to MoCo intentionally for these GT opportunities. Now the entire new regional model is going to kill the HS merit-based magnet program completely. Families with gifted kids will fleet away. FCPS serves these kids well, and HCPS does an overall good job. MCPS is a sinking ship.

Folks need to stop all the fearful conjecture. There is no indication at this point that the magnets will not continue to be successful in the new proposed regional model. In fact it has consistently been said there will continue to be criteria based and interest based options. Further while folks are trying to fawn over FCPS and HCPS, guess what there are families in those districts that complain about them just like folks complain about MCPS. The grass isn’t always greener somewhere else.

If you have ever had a kid who had been able to fill their entire junior and senior years with those higher-level magnet classes, you'll know how naive you are about regional magnet can be comparable. No they can barely meet the mere minimum even the region include one of the "W" school: you simply cannot find those good teachers anywhere else in MCPS.

For TJ, since I've mentored quite a few TJ students during the past decade, I can see at least based on the ones I've supervised for conducting research, that program is not diluted for top students. Blair and TJ students are comparable in capability, self-motivation and aptitudes, but Blair will loose quickly once it becomes regional.

Those who believe regional magnets can match the success of countywide programs are either out of touch or just wishful thinking. Countywide magnets bring together top talent, specialized staff, and diverse peers to create the depth and rigor gifted students need. Regional models may offer access, but they dilute quality and weaken the very structure that makes these programs effective. It’s way better to just expand Blair magnet than splitting to many regions.

Your point is invalid and wrong because Blair is a regional magnet, and is the best, most successful magnet in the area.

More than half of the county’s high schools ,16 out of 25, feed into the Blair Magnet Program. That means the program is truly countywide in reach, not limited to a small geographic area. Breaking the county into just 6 smaller regions would represent a fundamentally different structure, narrowing access and reducing the broad representation.

It still not a countywide magnet. It's a regional magnet whether it it consists of 16, 8 or 6 schools.
I think I get it now...many are screaming "the sky is falling", "the program will be watered down" because Blair won't be in their regions. They're going to lose access to Blair.

You really don't.

I think the PP is right. Many are freaking out because Blair is not in their region.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The magnet programs at all levels are outstanding. Unfortunately, for ES and MS you can only access them through a lottery so the vast majority of qualified students can’t join the programs, which have limited seats.

MCPS is about to change the upper ES/MS math pathways soon, so that’s up in the air.

And they are completely changing MS and HS magnets, as well, probably making more seats available but somewhat watered down programs, staff, and student criteria. No one knows what the outcomes will be, so any info we have on current programs will be obsolete by Fall 2027.

The curricular opportunities and enriched/accelerated offerings at regular home schools exist, but don’t really meet the needs of gifted students much of the time, particularly in middle school which is the weak link.

Thx. I am the OP and this lottery system for G&T really worries me.

You can look at Fairfax. At the elementary level, everyone identified is served, but look at the AAPP forum - lots of complaints about it being “watered down.”

I don’t know anywhere that does it just right - especially since every parent’s definition of just right is “serving my kid but not any kids who might be below them.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The magnet programs at all levels are outstanding. Unfortunately, for ES and MS you can only access them through a lottery so the vast majority of qualified students can’t join the programs, which have limited seats.

MCPS is about to change the upper ES/MS math pathways soon, so that’s up in the air.

And they are completely changing MS and HS magnets, as well, probably making more seats available but somewhat watered down programs, staff, and student criteria. No one knows what the outcomes will be, so any info we have on current programs will be obsolete by Fall 2027.

The curricular opportunities and enriched/accelerated offerings at regular home schools exist, but don’t really meet the needs of gifted students much of the time, particularly in middle school which is the weak link.

Thx. I am the OP and this lottery system for G&T really worries me.

You can look at Fairfax. At the elementary level, everyone identified is served, but look at the AAPP forum - lots of complaints about it being “watered down.”

I don’t know anywhere that does it just right - especially since every parent’s definition of just right is “serving my kid but not any kids who might be below them.”

This is a great observation, and there's another phenomenon of assuming some sort of deceit or unfairness if a child they perceive as being below their own is being served.

So, you often see someone talk about racial or geographic quotas for Blair/RMIB even though those things do not exist, and have never existed. The process is race blind. But there's this perception that there's some finger on a scale out there making sure a specific PP's poster didn't get in.

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Anonymous wrote:The magnet programs at all levels are outstanding. Unfortunately, for ES and MS you can only access them through a lottery so the vast majority of qualified students can’t join the programs, which have limited seats.

MCPS is about to change the upper ES/MS math pathways soon, so that’s up in the air.

And they are completely changing MS and HS magnets, as well, probably making more seats available but somewhat watered down programs, staff, and student criteria. No one knows what the outcomes will be, so any info we have on current programs will be obsolete by Fall 2027.

The curricular opportunities and enriched/accelerated offerings at regular home schools exist, but don’t really meet the needs of gifted students much of the time, particularly in middle school which is the weak link.

Thx. I am the OP and this lottery system for G&T really worries me.

You can look at Fairfax. At the elementary level, everyone identified is served, but look at the AAPP forum - lots of complaints about it being “watered down.”

I don’t know anywhere that does it just right - especially since every parent’s definition of just right is “serving my kid but not any kids who might be below them.”

Yes, that's how you killed the school system. Find the lowest common denominator. That's how MCPS's raising performance gap between two groups. Lower the upper bar rather than raising the low bar.

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Anonymous wrote:The magnet programs at all levels are outstanding. Unfortunately, for ES and MS you can only access them through a lottery so the vast majority of qualified students can’t join the programs, which have limited seats.

MCPS is about to change the upper ES/MS math pathways soon, so that’s up in the air.

And they are completely changing MS and HS magnets, as well, probably making more seats available but somewhat watered down programs, staff, and student criteria. No one knows what the outcomes will be, so any info we have on current programs will be obsolete by Fall 2027.

The curricular opportunities and enriched/accelerated offerings at regular home schools exist, but don’t really meet the needs of gifted students much of the time, particularly in middle school which is the weak link.

Thx. I am the OP and this lottery system for G&T really worries me.

You can look at Fairfax. At the elementary level, everyone identified is served, but look at the AAPP forum - lots of complaints about it being “watered down.”

I don’t know anywhere that does it just right - especially since every parent’s definition of just right is “serving my kid but not any kids who might be below them.”

The MCPS model says everyone who meets the central review criteria (different from gifted) is served-- some in a regional program and some at their local schools. That's what FFX does too. The difference is that in FFX there are tiers or levels and in MCPS all who meet the criteria are put in a pool and those who get the regional program are selected by lottery and local schools are hit or miss in providing something "different" for identified kids.

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Anonymous wrote:GT identification (SIPPI) is state-mandated, but matching local programming often is insufficient and certainly is inconsistent (funding, training, diverse needs, local school administration priorities).
-> Communities with active familiy involvement sometimes see cohorted treatment, and better in-class differentiation is more available where there are larger cohorts of high-ability (and/or highly prepped) students; this persists to availability of higher-level HS courses (and availability of grade-skipping class placement at a few ESs & MSs, along with certain path-favoring electives at a few MSs) due to an MCPS policy of allowing community pull/local-school administration decision to determine availability of such.

There are not enough magnet seats, generally, to match the population in need (or with interest).
-> A lottery is utilized for ES & MS magnets, and for some interest-based HS magnet programs.

Local norming of test scores are used for criteria-based ES & MS magnet lottery pool inclusion.
-> A higher-flying student at a higher-FARMS school may have a better chance of being included in the pool as an edge case if they have managed to be exposed (via outside enrichment or otherwise) to higher-level content despite the presumed more difficult cohort.

SIPPI/GT identification is a separate process from lottery qualification.
-> There is overlap, but no assurance of magnet lottery pool inclusion from GT identification.

Criteria-based HS programs can select students.
-> With the above-noted scarcity, the resulting competition favors those receiving outside enrichment, those having received better instruction with the above-noted locally dependent cohorting and/or those lucky enough to have been selected by lottery for earlier magnet programming.

There are local-only ES 4th/5th CES magnets (previously mentioned).
-> This confers a higher chance of being selected by lottery.

There are (some) local set-asides for ES/MS magnets.
-> This also confers a higher chance of being selected by lottery.

The current HS/MS program analysis aims to increase seats and distribute programs across the county, but commute times/transportation cost & related impacts (e.g., time for alternate activities, encumbered social interaction) will remain a consideration for many; in parallel, there is a boundary study for HS & MS that could impact the majority of the county; programs/boundaries/set-asides/selection paradigms are subject to change, but often jealously guarded by local/attending communities.
-> Location may matter, but pending or future changes may confound education-related domicile planning.

There are not local set-asides for CES -- at least there are not for CCES.

The four local-only CESs effectively are local set-asides, though these were mentioned in the list ahead of the call-out of local set-asides. Not all ES magnet programs are Centers for Enriched Studies, however.

Language immersion can be seen as desirable, allowing a student to stretch even if the level of content taught is supposed to be equivalent to that provided in the standard English curriculum. Not all immersion magnets have local set-asides, but Potomac ES's Chinese (Mandarin) Immersion program only has allowed consideration of out-of-bounds students if not all slots are filled locally -- the most generous local set-aside remaining in MCPS.

Language immersion is not a magnet. It is interest-based.

CES is a criteria-based magnet, in that there are standards for being placed in the lottery.