DC bike group says fewer now riding bikes to work than in 2012 (?!?!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Between the bus bump outs and the bikes lanes, Columbia Rd in AM has been destroyed for cars. It is absolutely awful, but I suppose that was their intention. It seems less safe for bikes now.

Seems sad what DDOT did there. All it does is permanently reduce the number of people who will go there.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

a numerator without a denominator? lol.

meanwhile CaBi continues to blast through ridership records (actual objective data). https://www.arlnow.com/2024/10/15/e-bikes-fueling-record-setting-local-ridership-numbers-for-capital-bikeshare/

No. Look at the data. It's about three percent. The population of DC doesnt change very much from year to year, so you can just look at the raw numbers. 18,624 bikers in 2017. 13,376 bikers in 2023. That's a 28 percent decline.

omg. the denominator is the number of people commuting to the office, not the number of people. or ideally the number of office commutes but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

meanwhile the best source of data (CaBi usage) just goes up and up and doesn’t seem to have a ceiling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

a numerator without a denominator? lol.

meanwhile CaBi continues to blast through ridership records (actual objective data). https://www.arlnow.com/2024/10/15/e-bikes-fueling-record-setting-local-ridership-numbers-for-capital-bikeshare/

No. Look at the data. It's about three percent. The population of DC doesnt change very much from year to year, so you can just look at the raw numbers. 18,624 bikers in 2017. 13,376 bikers in 2023. That's a 28 percent decline.

I rarely see anyone use the bike lanes near me. I guess we know why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Between the bus bump outs and the bikes lanes, Columbia Rd in AM has been destroyed for cars. It is absolutely awful, but I suppose that was their intention. It seems less safe for bikes now.

Seems sad what DDOT did there. All it does is permanently reduce the number of people who will go there.

go there? or drive through there at top speed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

a numerator without a denominator? lol.

meanwhile CaBi continues to blast through ridership records (actual objective data). https://www.arlnow.com/2024/10/15/e-bikes-fueling-record-setting-local-ridership-numbers-for-capital-bikeshare/

No. Look at the data. It's about three percent. The population of DC doesnt change very much from year to year, so you can just look at the raw numbers. 18,624 bikers in 2017. 13,376 bikers in 2023. That's a 28 percent decline.

omg. the denominator is the number of people commuting to the office, not the number of people. or ideally the number of office commutes but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

meanwhile the best source of data (CaBi usage) just goes up and up and doesn’t seem to have a ceiling.

yes, we should totally take the press releases of a company trying to promote its products over figures from the census bureau and the league of america bicyclists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Between the bus bump outs and the bikes lanes, Columbia Rd in AM has been destroyed for cars. It is absolutely awful, but I suppose that was their intention. It seems less safe for bikes now.

Seems sad what DDOT did there. All it does is permanently reduce the number of people who will go there.

go there? or drive through there at top speed?

I'll never go there again. It's impossible to get around. There's plenty of other neighborhoods that aren't infuriating.

[Anonymous]

Yet the city of alexandria #1 priority is "lane diets and bike lanes" SMH.

Someone let these morons know...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

And the number of bike commuters started falling a couple years *before* the pandemic.

Other transportation surveys show driving is becoming a lot more popular in DC.

VMT is still down in DC proper since the pandemic. Traffic just seems worse because drivers have gotten worse.

Nothing to do with less road capacity in what is an ongoing failed experiment in online transportation meme turned policy “reduced demand”.

The whole point of DDOT's policy has been a deliberate effort to increase congestion under the miaguided theory that doing so makes roads safer.

Traffic is worse now because DDOT tried to make it worse.

For example, you used to be able to drive on the shoulder to pass slower traffic on 295 and 395. Then D dot installed those bollards last year, which just increased congestion. Maybe you prevented an accident a week or so. Is it wort it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

a numerator without a denominator? lol.

meanwhile CaBi continues to blast through ridership records (actual objective data). https://www.arlnow.com/2024/10/15/e-bikes-fueling-record-setting-local-ridership-numbers-for-capital-bikeshare/

No. Look at the data. It's about three percent. The population of DC doesnt change very much from year to year, so you can just look at the raw numbers. 18,624 bikers in 2017. 13,376 bikers in 2023. That's a 28 percent decline.

omg. the denominator is the number of people commuting to the office, not the number of people. or ideally the number of office commutes but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

meanwhile the best source of data (CaBi usage) just goes up and up and doesn’t seem to have a ceiling.

yes, we should totally take the press releases of a company trying to promote its products over figures from the census bureau and the league of america bicyclists.

their data is free for anyone to download. unless you think they are falsifying their data (which would be the kind of outlandish claim bike NIMBYs do make).

https://capitalbikeshare.com/system-data

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Between the bus bump outs and the bikes lanes, Columbia Rd in AM has been destroyed for cars. It is absolutely awful, but I suppose that was their intention. It seems less safe for bikes now.

Seems sad what DDOT did there. All it does is permanently reduce the number of people who will go there.

go there? or drive through there at top speed?

I'll never go there again. It's impossible to get around. There's plenty of other neighborhoods that aren't infuriating.

Lol! Get out of your car. Expecting to be able to drive and park at your convenience anywhere within an urban core is just silly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

a numerator without a denominator? lol.

meanwhile CaBi continues to blast through ridership records (actual objective data). https://www.arlnow.com/2024/10/15/e-bikes-fueling-record-setting-local-ridership-numbers-for-capital-bikeshare/

No. Look at the data. It's about three percent. The population of DC doesnt change very much from year to year, so you can just look at the raw numbers. 18,624 bikers in 2017. 13,376 bikers in 2023. That's a 28 percent decline.

omg. the denominator is the number of people commuting to the office, not the number of people. or ideally the number of office commutes but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

meanwhile the best source of data (CaBi usage) just goes up and up and doesn’t seem to have a ceiling.

yes, we should totally take the press releases of a company trying to promote its products over figures from the census bureau and the league of america bicyclists.

Once again, the Census data is commuter only. Commutes make up about 20% of total trips. CaBi data is data for all trips. If you bike to the park, or bar or get groceries but metro to work then you don't exist in those data. Just like how no one commutes by plane, but yet there are people in the airports all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

And the number of bike commuters started falling a couple years *before* the pandemic.

Other transportation surveys show driving is becoming a lot more popular in DC.

VMT is still down in DC proper since the pandemic. Traffic just seems worse because drivers have gotten worse.

Nothing to do with less road capacity in what is an ongoing failed experiment in online transportation meme turned policy “reduced demand”.

The whole point of DDOT's policy has been a deliberate effort to increase congestion under the miaguided theory that doing so makes roads safer.

Traffic is worse now because DDOT tried to make it worse.

For example, you used to be able to drive on the shoulder to pass slower traffic on 295 and 395. Then D dot installed those bollards last year, which just increased congestion. Maybe you prevented an accident a week or so. Is it wort it?

Did you actually just defend driving on the shoulder of an interstate? OMG. You people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

a numerator without a denominator? lol.

meanwhile CaBi continues to blast through ridership records (actual objective data). https://www.arlnow.com/2024/10/15/e-bikes-fueling-record-setting-local-ridership-numbers-for-capital-bikeshare/

No. Look at the data. It's about three percent. The population of DC doesnt change very much from year to year, so you can just look at the raw numbers. 18,624 bikers in 2017. 13,376 bikers in 2023. That's a 28 percent decline.

omg. the denominator is the number of people commuting to the office, not the number of people. or ideally the number of office commutes but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

meanwhile the best source of data (CaBi usage) just goes up and up and doesn’t seem to have a ceiling.

yes, we should totally take the press releases of a company trying to promote its products over figures from the census bureau and the league of america bicyclists.

Once again, the Census data is commuter only. Commutes make up about 20% of total trips. CaBi data is data for all trips. If you bike to the park, or bar or get groceries but metro to work then you don't exist in those data. Just like how no one commutes by plane, but yet there are people in the airports all the time.

I know that I will probably use CaBi 2-3 times/week to commute if we get called back to the office full time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

And the number of bike commuters started falling a couple years *before* the pandemic.

Other transportation surveys show driving is becoming a lot more popular in DC.

VMT is still down in DC proper since the pandemic. Traffic just seems worse because drivers have gotten worse.

Nothing to do with less road capacity in what is an ongoing failed experiment in online transportation meme turned policy “reduced demand”.

The whole point of DDOT's policy has been a deliberate effort to increase congestion under the miaguided theory that doing so makes roads safer.

Traffic is worse now because DDOT tried to make it worse.

For example, you used to be able to drive on the shoulder to pass slower traffic on 295 and 395. Then D dot installed those bollards last year, which just increased congestion. Maybe you prevented an accident a week or so. Is it wort it?

Did you actually just defend driving on the shoulder of an interstate? OMG. You people.

It was a congestion advocate being sarcastic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously unless you add a denominator of trips to work in the region, this is a pointless stat.

100% this.
A lot of bike commuters are not coming in to office as much now, so fewer trips. Also more telecommuting has resulted in generally less traffic and easier parking, so for some commuters the convenience advantage of biking has decreased.

I agree that if there is big and successful RTO push, we will see more bike commuters.

There is nothing more full of excuses than cycling advocates force to look at data confirming that their hobby is exactly as popular as it appears to be.

And the number of bike commuters started falling a couple years *before* the pandemic.

Other transportation surveys show driving is becoming a lot more popular in DC.

VMT is still down in DC proper since the pandemic. Traffic just seems worse because drivers have gotten worse.

Nothing to do with less road capacity in what is an ongoing failed experiment in online transportation meme turned policy “reduced demand”.

The whole point of DDOT's policy has been a deliberate effort to increase congestion under the miaguided theory that doing so makes roads safer.

Traffic is worse now because DDOT tried to make it worse.

For example, you used to be able to drive on the shoulder to pass slower traffic on 295 and 395. Then D dot installed those bollards last year, which just increased congestion. Maybe you prevented an accident a week or so. Is it wort it?

Did you actually just defend driving on the shoulder of an interstate? OMG. You people.

It was a congestion advocate being sarcastic.

I’m not sure!