Dismantling of the Dept of ED and other plans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

The Department is behind the monetary grants which funded:

- Mary Calkins - a failed elementary reading curriculum

- Whole Language - same

- Common Core - which included many ridiculously ineffective math curricula

- Equity Grading

- eliminating homework for racial equity reasons,

- etc.

As is, President Trump’s transition team has nominated a candidate to lead the department. So you may now all stop the hysterics concerning the departments elimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

Prayer in school is not the answer. Separation of church and state!!! Also do your research on things the the Dept of ED does-college loans if your child has SPED you want oversight and rights for your child to go to school and learn.

College loans were administered by banks until very recently and should go back there, so that presidents can’t try to unilaterally forgive them. Power of the purse belongs to Congress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like in Oklahoma where all schools have a copy of Trump's Bible (made in China), or in Mississippi (or was it Alabama?) where they have to display the 10 Commandments?

2 excellent examples of public education at its finest 🤣

+10000

My brother teaches HS in Oklahoma and I can't tell you the sad stories of kids who are graduating and don't even know basic math. Many can barely read those Bibles.

We’ve got quite a few of those in Maryland as well…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

Is reading comprehension not your thing? What part of “precarious” sounds like I said it was great? My fear is that it’s going to get worse.

It will get worse, Trump or no Trump.

-Harris voting teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like in Oklahoma where all schools have a copy of Trump's Bible (made in China), or in Mississippi (or was it Alabama?) where they have to display the 10 Commandments?

2 excellent examples of public education at its finest 🤣

+10000

My brother teaches HS in Oklahoma and I can't tell you the sad stories of kids who are graduating and don't even know basic math. Many can barely read those Bibles.

We’ve got quite a few of those in Maryland as well…

They’re in every state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

Catholic priests
Are going to be running public schools you idiot!

What are you smoking? Priest don’t even run most parochial schools these days.

[Anonymous]

Nothing will happen. Just more Trump crap.

The Dept of Ed does handle student loans and federal grants. Those apply to all but about 20 small colleges in the country - including private schools.

The Dept of Ed also handles Title 1 and Title 3 funding and many many Republican states exist using federal education dollars. Without those dollars education systems in States like Idaho, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc would fail completely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will happen. Just more Trump crap.

The Dept of Ed does handle student loans and federal grants. Those apply to all but about 20 small colleges in the country - including private schools.

The Dept of Ed also handles Title 1 and Title 3 funding and many many Republican states exist using federal education dollars. Without those dollars education systems in States like Idaho, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc would fail completely.

Dissolving a cabinet department would need to go through Congress. Separately, even if the DoEd were abolished, most of its programs simply would move to a different department. Title 1/3 funding likely would end up in HHS, for example. Educational civil rights would return to DoJ probably.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

Is reading comprehension not your thing? What part of “precarious” sounds like I said it was great? My fear is that it’s going to get worse.

It will get worse, Trump or no Trump.

-Harris voting teacher

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will happen. Just more Trump crap.

The Dept of Ed does handle student loans and federal grants. Those apply to all but about 20 small colleges in the country - including private schools.

The Dept of Ed also handles Title 1 and Title 3 funding and many many Republican states exist using federal education dollars. Without those dollars education systems in States like Idaho, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc would fail completely.

Dissolving a cabinet department would need to go through Congress. Separately, even if the DoEd were abolished, most of its programs simply would move to a different department. Title 1/3 funding likely would end up in HHS, for example. Educational civil rights would return to DoJ probably.

So what you’re saying is we would save very little funds but what we’d lose is focus and scrutiny of a very important part of the republic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will happen. Just more Trump crap.

The Dept of Ed does handle student loans and federal grants. Those apply to all but about 20 small colleges in the country - including private schools.

The Dept of Ed also handles Title 1 and Title 3 funding and many many Republican states exist using federal education dollars. Without those dollars education systems in States like Idaho, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc would fail completely.

Dissolving a cabinet department would need to go through Congress. Separately, even if the DoEd were abolished, most of its programs simply would move to a different department. Title 1/3 funding likely would end up in HHS, for example. Educational civil rights would return to DoJ probably.

So what you’re saying is we would save very little funds but what we’d lose is focus and scrutiny of a very important part of the republic.

We would not lose focus. Schools are a state responsibility (not federal) per US Supreme Court rulings against VA during "massive resistance". Also, local school boards make most of the decisions - with state governments making nearly all of the remaining decisions.

Only Federal role in education is equal opportunity - which was well handled by the civil rights division of DoJ before DoEd was created.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

The Department is behind the monetary grants which funded:

- Mary Calkins - a failed elementary reading curriculum

- Whole Language - same

- Common Core - which included many ridiculously ineffective math curricula

- Equity Grading

- eliminating homework for racial equity reasons,

- etc.

As is, President Trump’s transition team has nominated a candidate to lead the department. So you may now all stop the hysterics concerning the departments elimination.

Also 30 years of middling test scores. Kids are doing worse and worse. It would be one thing if we weren’t spending any money, but we have spent billions and billions for no improvement in learning. And the poorest kids are doing worse than ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Department is behind the monetary grants which funded:

- Mary Calkins - a failed elementary reading curriculum

Lucy Caulkins. Yes, a horrible waste of money. I’m an educator in LCPS at the elementary level. We all knew her program was awful but we were forced for years to attend trainings and carry out the terrible lessons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like in Oklahoma where all schools have a copy of Trump's Bible (made in China), or in Mississippi (or was it Alabama?) where they have to display the 10 Commandments?

2 excellent examples of public education at its finest 🤣

Oklahoma and Mississippi being bastions of excellent public education. Ha ha.

Can't speak to Oklahoma, but Mississippi has a fair claim to be the best run state in the USA, as far as public education is concerned. The "Mississippi miracle" has seen their test scores shoot up from worst in the country to somewhere in the middle, with little change to either demographics or economics. They've done yeoman's work fixing up e.g. basic literacy programs, including restructuring the teacher pipeline to properly support them. It's well worth reading about, if you get the chance.

+1.

I have been shocked, after watching Mississippi educational success rank either 49 or 50 out of 50 states for my whole life, until very recently. Mississippi actually led the way in restoring sane reading curriculum - the whole “Science of Reading” movement gathered steam when Mississippi adopted it and saw dramatic statewide improvement in reading attainment.

I haven't looked into the specifics but usually this type of thing is a sham where they just kick out kids who aen't performing in order to improve their standing.

Mississippi Miracle poster from above: I did look at it. There is some effect because Mississippi is having very behind students repeat grades (*) instead of simply passing them along, but the numbers of grade repeaters are not nearly high enough to account for the majority of the gains, and further there has been a large increase in the advanced (**) category, and an additional year is not going to move a failing student to advanced. It does look like the gains are real.

(*) The students don't just repeat the grade, but are provided with a lot of additional support.

(**) I can't remember the exact verbiage the NAEP uses for advanced; this is something I last dove into about two years ago.

This sounds amazing thanks for posting. I’m going to Read about it further