Genuinely asking both parties: where do you want friends/family relationships to go from here?

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
Its a question of morals, not political differences.

So you see two Americas. You see permanent division? Is that what you want, and what you will work for?

Np. It isn't what I want but it is our reality. Tell me why would you want to be friends with men who shout 'your body, MY choice' or friends with women who hate other women. Sorry but you can't take my rights aqay and expect me to 'make nice'

So how are you going to convince people to see things from your perspective and vote the way you want them to vote? Because if you don’t, if we don’t—if we don’t reach people and simply write them off—we will lose again and again. What don’t you get about that?

My uncle was going to vote for Trump until his daughters laid out the case that their reproductive rights and their lives were on the line. He changed his vote. Because his daughters talked with him, instead of freezing him out.

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

I don't think you do get that people need time to grieve. I'm going to support the ACLU too because I really believe that while I try to tune out so I don't lose my mind, I want the people and orgs who still have fight in them to go twice as hard.

I don't have that kind of fight in me right now. I feel numb; it feels like everyone I talk to feels numb. I'm walking around looking at people knowing at least half of them chose the rapist. I am not quite ready to just brush past that as silly politics. I'm really angry, OP. I don't know what I want as a next step. I am not hoping for America to fail - this is where I live, I would very much like it to succeed. But I don't think that's likely right now. And I just don't have the stomach to be sitting here, not even a week into this, searching for our common ground and shared goals.

I would invite you to think about whether your smug and chiding tone is really appropriate at this moment. Perhaps if you understand well enough that people are shocked, scared, grieving, numb, and incredibly sad, you can also lay off being sanctimonious about the need to come together and heal for a week or so.

You need time to grieve? Has your life been so vanilla and soft that this election’s results suddenly make you wake up to people having daily challenges in this world? I don’t have the luxuries to wallow in sorry and suddenly right now start to support the ACLU. Where have you been? Asleep this entire time.

I voted for Harris, but the privilege and sanctimony I am getting from my friends and neighbors is insane. Have you never had any awareness before? Never before felt a call to action? Worried about injustices or people suffering in regular everyday ways? Seriously. I don’t have time to “grieve”. I have to go to work, raise my kids, keep my marriage working, keep my health in check (because I’m disabled), and just keep doing what I have been doing.

I guess better late than never.

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Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

I don't think you do get that people need time to grieve. I'm going to support the ACLU too because I really believe that while I try to tune out so I don't lose my mind, I want the people and orgs who still have fight in them to go twice as hard.

I don't have that kind of fight in me right now. I feel numb; it feels like everyone I talk to feels numb. I'm walking around looking at people knowing at least half of them chose the rapist. I am not quite ready to just brush past that as silly politics. I'm really angry, OP. I don't know what I want as a next step. I am not hoping for America to fail - this is where I live, I would very much like it to succeed. But I don't think that's likely right now. And I just don't have the stomach to be sitting here, not even a week into this, searching for our common ground and shared goals.

I would invite you to think about whether your smug and chiding tone is really appropriate at this moment. Perhaps if you understand well enough that people are shocked, scared, grieving, numb, and incredibly sad, you can also lay off being sanctimonious about the need to come together and heal for a week or so.

I laid down and “grieved” last time, PP. It didn’t work. We don’t have the luxury.

I didn't lay down and grieve last time. This time I am going to try checking out and see how that goes. You can pick up where I lay off if you have it in you.

[Anonymous]

OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have written off the other side. Truly I want nothing to do with these morons who vote against their own interest and those of others

Yup.
It’s a question of morals, not political differences.

OK, so…then what? You want the majority of the country to be “immoral and unreachable,” and you want your party to keep losing again and again, because without any connection or healing of division or understanding, this is going to be it going forward? What do you want? Where do you want to go from here?

I would like things to deescalate and for the MAGA movement to die out but that doesn't seem likely. So now I'd like people who voted for Trump to get exactly what they voted for. And if they like it, then great for them. And if they don't, then perhaps great for everyone.

Do you really feel like this, today, this week, is the moment we're going to have our big heart to heart and find our common ground? I don't. This is the week I stopped caring what happens to a lot of people, honestly. That might change back, but now I think if they want mass deportations, go for it. That's what they voted for, right? Well, let's see how this works.

OP here. I get that people need time to grieve and feel hurt, but unfortunately, I don’t think our country has even an hour to waste. I care about mass deportations, which is why I doubled my monthly contributions to the ACLU. I think that—and engaging in conversations like this—is infinitely more productive than writing people off and…actively hoping for people to suffer and for America to fail.

I don't think you do get that people need time to grieve. I'm going to support the ACLU too because I really believe that while I try to tune out so I don't lose my mind, I want the people and orgs who still have fight in them to go twice as hard.

I don't have that kind of fight in me right now. I feel numb; it feels like everyone I talk to feels numb. I'm walking around looking at people knowing at least half of them chose the rapist. I am not quite ready to just brush past that as silly politics. I'm really angry, OP. I don't know what I want as a next step. I am not hoping for America to fail - this is where I live, I would very much like it to succeed. But I don't think that's likely right now. And I just don't have the stomach to be sitting here, not even a week into this, searching for our common ground and shared goals.

I would invite you to think about whether your smug and chiding tone is really appropriate at this moment. Perhaps if you understand well enough that people are shocked, scared, grieving, numb, and incredibly sad, you can also lay off being sanctimonious about the need to come together and heal for a week or so.

You need time to grieve? Has your life been so vanilla and soft that this election’s results suddenly make you wake up to people having daily challenges in this world? I don’t have the luxuries to wallow in sorry and suddenly right now start to support the ACLU. Where have you been? Asleep this entire time.

I voted for Harris, but the privilege and sanctimony I am getting from my friends and neighbors is insane. Have you never had any awareness before? Never before felt a call to action? Worried about injustices or people suffering in regular everyday ways? Seriously. I don’t have time to “grieve”. I have to go to work, raise my kids, keep my marriage working, keep my health in check (because I’m disabled), and just keep doing what I have been doing.

I guess better late than never.

I'm sorry but what in my post gave you the impression I have no responsibilities to stay on top of. You can lay off your sanctimony, too. Or don't! But yes I am grieving - and also have to do my job and take care of my family and all the things you mentioned as well.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are mourning politics more than they mourn a death in the family. Ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are mourning politics more than they mourn a death in the family. Ridiculous.

YES! See ^ these are the people OP wants us to build bridges with. Right now. Today. No thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:What I want is simple. I want to not discuss politics nonstop at family get togethers. We voted for Trump. Everyone else in the family voted for Harris. My parents and one of my siblings can only discuss their hatred for Trump now. That’s the only topic of conversation.

I didn’t grow up in a house where politics was the main conversation, ever. There are a lot of grandkids involved. My kids don’t want to go there now since all they do is yell about Trump 24/7. There are millions of other things we can talk about as a family. As the kids about their lives. Come to one of their sports events. I want them to think about life other than Trump.

Dp. That is impodsible now that your Dear Leader is going to be in our face for four years. I hope your family cuts you off.

You really thought this dumpster fire of a campaign couldn’t lose, didn’t you? For people who couldn’t fathom or cope with the possibility of losing you would think they would have mounted an airtight winning strategy not a divisive and exclusive one designed to alienate a huge swath of voters. Excuse me if I can’t muster much sympathy.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are mourning politics more than they mourn a death in the family. Ridiculous.

YES! See ^ these are the people OP wants us to build bridges with. Right now. Today. No thanks!

It’s telling you have so few people in your life. You are in a cult and can’t see it.

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I want to never speak to them again.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

Dp. The other side is gleefull in their hatred and victory over us. Why would I want to reach over to them when we know they are going to cut it off?

I respect President Biden and think he saying this because he is a good and decent human being. But Trump and his people need to do something kind first and that is not going to happen..so yes two Americas. I only wish they would keep wearing their stupid hats so I csn avoid them

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

The nice thing is I am not president so I don't have to speak on this anonymous message board the same way I would speak if I were in the highest elected office int he whole world.

But also, I don't think Biden is in a position to be telling us much of anything right now. He was a great president who is at least in part responsible for the situation we are now in. But I am not in the bargaining stage of grief - not trying to think through what would have happened if he'd dropped out two years ago and we had a full primary, etc. Because it doesn't matter.

But no, I don't feel the need to make peace and unify with the people who are saying "your body, my choice" right now.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, start by having some common sense and ask this question much later. Perhaps in 6 months to a year.

People are going to start suffering from Day 1. I don’t have time to wait, I have to act.

Is this what you would say to President Biden’s face? He has already called for unity, working together, and “lowering the temperature,” even amid disappointment. His words. Are you going to tell him to buzz off and ask you to behave with dignity in six months to a year?

Dp. The other side is gleefull in their hatred and victory over us. Why would I want to reach over to them when we know they are going to cut it off?

I respect President Biden and think he saying this because he is a good and decent human being. But Trump and his people need to do something kind first and that is not going to happen..so yes two Americas. I only wish they would keep wearing their stupid hats so I csn avoid them

You were ready to project your glee and march victoriously over your rivals. We all know it. There was never going to be humility or humbleness in what you thought was a sure thing. That’s why this stings so badly for you. You didn’t get your moment of triumph that you felt entitled to.