What typically happens to a violent kid in the classroom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lab School meets needs of special needs students for $50K a year, and some kids still need to pay for private services on top of that. DC public spends on average $25K per student. Where’s the extra $25K+ per student supposed to come from to provide all the services needed?

a) lab school doesn't teach the kids OP is describing
b) the school system, via taxes. keep up. it's federal law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

It is a long, difficult process, but still much easier and faster if the child's parents are on board for getting help, but believe me, many parents are not, and then it is nearly impossible. You cannot force people to help their children, especially when they don't see a problem.

And, on the flip side, as frustrating as the red tape is, it is there to prevent knee jerk reactions that are harmful to children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

NP but there have been no discernible results. When your kid is violent with other kids repeatedly, throwing up your hands and getting defensive doesn’t help.

OP, I’d get a group of parents together and create a huge paper trail. Get your school board rep involved. Create a stink. Be a pain in the a**.

Fight for your kid against this violent child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. What people are failing to understand,[b] is that the child may not be special needs or may not have all of the required paper work or assessments to have a diagnosis or an IEP. It is a long process in which could incorporate MANY people (psychologist, doctors, lawyers, special education department, parents, etc). Finding the right needs of the child will not happen with a flip of a switch. There is a lot of trial and error along the way. Does it mean that other children should not be kept safe in the classroom? Absolutely not. So what can you do as a parent on the other end of the child that may be hurting others? Sit in on the classrooms to observe behaviors not just of other children but of your child. What can your child do differently in the classroom? Maybe sit somewhere else? Maybe help this student less? or more? Hold a meeting with the admin team and come up with a game plan on how the school will keep your child safe in the classroom as it currently seems unsafe.

lady all of us understand that except op

It’s been 3 years of this student and hundred of incident reports in this grade. They have a full time aide that in unable to control them. I’m asking the next steps in a situation like this. No need to be defensive because your own child is similar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.

Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.

NP—I don’t care if your kid’s diagnosis is that he’s a neon panda bear.

Stop acting like the violent nine-year-old is the victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. What people are failing to understand,[b] is that the child may not be special needs or may not have all of the required paper work or assessments to have a diagnosis or an IEP. It is a long process in which could incorporate MANY people (psychologist, doctors, lawyers, special education department, parents, etc). Finding the right needs of the child will not happen with a flip of a switch. There is a lot of trial and error along the way. Does it mean that other children should not be kept safe in the classroom? Absolutely not. So what can you do as a parent on the other end of the child that may be hurting others? Sit in on the classrooms to observe behaviors not just of other children but of your child. What can your child do differently in the classroom? Maybe sit somewhere else? Maybe help this student less? or more? Hold a meeting with the admin team and come up with a game plan on how the school will keep your child safe in the classroom as it currently seems unsafe.

lady all of us understand that except op

It’s been 3 years of this student and hundred of incident reports in this grade. They have a full time aide that in unable to control them. I’m asking the next steps in a situation like this. No need to be defensive because your own child is similar.

The next steps is the school district to agree to a more restrictive environment in the public system, or a publicly funded private school. So basically the school/parents needs to get the system to give them $50,000 this year and every year. It's not that easy to do. Harder if the other parents won't agree to it. It might involve the parents suing the school district for a change of placement, so then there's a whole timeline in court.

All you can do is continue to document and request a change of classroom. I know you feel like it's been a long time-- it has-- but you have to understand that they *are* trying things on their end, which FERPA likely prevents them from disclosing to you, and you need to continue your documentation so that there's a paper trail that each intervention has failed. It's not enough to show it's been bad for 3 years-- you need to show that it's still bad now, ongoing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

This. At IEP meetings we make a case for more services and a "more restricted setting" and they come back with the kid is doing well in gen ed home class environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

NP but there have been no discernible results. When your kid is violent with other kids repeatedly, throwing up your hands and getting defensive doesn’t help.

OP, I’d get a group of parents together and create a huge paper trail. Get your school board rep involved. Create a stink. Be a pain in the a**.

Fight for your kid against this violent child.

Who is throwing their hands up? No one. You have no idea how hard we all have tried to get our kids help. By all means, OP should raise hell, but don't pretend we're all just over here like "welp, nbd, just gonna rest on my butt"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. What people are failing to understand,[b] is that the child may not be special needs or may not have all of the required paper work or assessments to have a diagnosis or an IEP. It is a long process in which could incorporate MANY people (psychologist, doctors, lawyers, special education department, parents, etc). Finding the right needs of the child will not happen with a flip of a switch. There is a lot of trial and error along the way. Does it mean that other children should not be kept safe in the classroom? Absolutely not. So what can you do as a parent on the other end of the child that may be hurting others? Sit in on the classrooms to observe behaviors not just of other children but of your child. What can your child do differently in the classroom? Maybe sit somewhere else? Maybe help this student less? or more? Hold a meeting with the admin team and come up with a game plan on how the school will keep your child safe in the classroom as it currently seems unsafe.

lady all of us understand that except op

It’s been 3 years of this student and hundred of incident reports in this grade. They have a full time aide that in unable to control them. I’m asking the next steps in a situation like this. No need to be defensive because your own child is similar.

We have told you like a million times. Call the police. And raise hell with the administration, but htey won't help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

NP but there have been no discernible results. When your kid is violent with other kids repeatedly, throwing up your hands and getting defensive doesn’t help.

OP, I’d get a group of parents together and create a huge paper trail. Get your school board rep involved. Create a stink. Be a pain in the a**.

Fight for your kid against this violent child.

Who is throwing their hands up? No one. You have no idea how hard we all have tried to get our kids help. By all means, OP should raise hell, but don't pretend we're all just over here like "welp, nbd, just gonna rest on my butt"

Don’t speak for the whole board. Most special need kids are not violent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

what is his diagnosis?

I know there’s been no action because the student is in the classroom and my child continues to be hit.

Why would I tell you my kid's DX? You aren't a SN parent clearly.

Also - that doesn't mean there's been no action. Don't get me wrong, your kid being hit is completely unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the parents aren't doing anything.

NP—I don’t care if your kid’s diagnosis is that he’s a neon panda bear.

Stop acting like the violent nine-year-old is the victim.

You don't care about the DX but OP did ask. And it's not relevant. No one is saying the violent kid is a victim, we're saying NO parent wants their kid to be violent, and most of us wish they'd take our kids out of the regular classroom. So OP's parent judgement is dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

NP but there have been no discernible results. When your kid is violent with other kids repeatedly, throwing up your hands and getting defensive doesn’t help.

OP, I’d get a group of parents together and create a huge paper trail. Get your school board rep involved. Create a stink. Be a pain in the a**.

Fight for your kid against this violent child.

Who is throwing their hands up? No one. You have no idea how hard we all have tried to get our kids help. By all means, OP should raise hell, but don't pretend we're all just over here like "welp, nbd, just gonna rest on my butt"

Don’t speak for the whole board. Most special need kids are not violent.

Where did I say they were? And where did I speak for the whole board? I'm speaking for parents of kids w/ serious issues. None of us want our kids to hurt other kids. And none of us are doing nothing.

[Anonymous]

As the parent of a violent kid, we want them out of the classroom as much as you do. We are as frustrated as you are. We are not burying our head in the sand. Help us! Write to the teacher and principal every time. Enlist your friends to do the same.

We all want the best learning environment for our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure non-SN parents know that there's been a trend in the last few years of school systems completely bucking special education law when it comes to severe children. Violent children are supposed to be put in a self-contained setting or with 1-to-1 adult supervision in the mainstream classroom. A behavior specialist is supposed to then collect detailed data on the triggers for the behaviors and then convene a meeting to create a plan to extinguish the behaviors. If none of this works, the school system is required to take the tax money distributed to it for that pupil and use it to send the child to an intensive private or residential placement designed for children with these needs.

School systems have figured out that it's a lot cheaper and easier to ignore all of the above, and wait for a parent to sue them for services. This hurts all children. There's this weird warped mindset on this board that parents somehow condone this occuring in classrooms, when the exact opposite has literally been written into law.

+100. My kid was aggressive enough to cause problems but not aggressive enough for anyone to actually provide services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There doesn't seem to be any action"

How in the world would you know what action has or hasn't been taken?

My kid was that kid. BEGGED AND PLEADED for him to be removed to a special school. It never happened. By all means, bug the administration, I'm sure his parents don't want him to hurt other kids either.

It is a long, difficult process, but still much easier and faster if the child's parents are on board for getting help, but believe me, many parents are not, and then it is nearly impossible. You cannot force people to help their children, especially when they don't see a problem.

And, on the flip side, as frustrating as the red tape is, it is there to prevent knee jerk reactions that are harmful to children.

I don’t know a single parent not trying to get help in this scenario. If that mythical parent exists its most likely because the school badly mishandled the process (that happened to us initially). And the process to require an evaluation over parent objection actually isn’t insurmountable. Schools are just very bad at managing this problem despite the fact that it happens all the time.