Is anyone else depressed about MAGA?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.

Many are highly educated and well off. And many live in Democratic cities and states. Jan 6 cell data was fascinating. Poor people don’t own big boats.


Not to be obtuse, but can you explain this? I sincerely don't know what it means.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that I’m depressed but I sure as hell don’t respect this country anymore and have lost the last shred of my patriotism. I can’t believe that that POS is running for a 3rd time and that there are still many millions willing to vote for him—fool me once but fool me three times?!


You do realize Democrats have been in charge 12 of last 16 years?
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that people I know are intelligent, sane people have voted for him and will vote for him again. It boggles my mind.

The MAGA cult is a whole other level. They seem to see him as portrayed on his trading cards, like a superhero that has zero basis in reality.



Why? Just why?


Immigration. My very sane parents, who raised me to be an independent thinker, tolerant of all and non-judgmental, are all in on Trump's plans for the border. That is their single issue, and they literally don't care about anything else. Oh, and 2A. Dad is convinced some Democrat boogeyman is going to swoop in and take his guns.

They're in their late 70s and readily admit their belief that any other issues (environment, gun control, RvW) will never impact them in the long run, so why should they care? This despite the fact that they have 2 young granddaughters who have to grow up in the world they leave behind, and their own DD (that would be me) had a medically necessary abortion to save my life, of the type being denied to many in Texas, Idaho, etc.

I'm an only child and love my parents very much. We don't talk about anything that might turn political.


But, don’t we all want the police to take his guns away?


Uhhh, no? Sensible gun control and enforcement of laws already on the books =/= "take all the guns away".


Kamala is on video saying she supports mandatory buybacks using lists of registered gun owners. That may be where PP’s dad is getting his idea of “some Democrat boogeyman.”


Nope, I'm actually the same PP. That isn't where he gets that idea. He literally thinks they're going to go door to door and search for all the guns. At every home in the country. No idea where that particular thought came from.


If there is a mandatory buyback and you don’t turn in your gun, the government could use a list of registered gun owner and go to your house and pick it up for you. It’s the logical next step.


No, he thinks they're going to literally go door to door to catch ALL the guns, registered or not.
There's LOTS of unregistered gun owners in this country.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.


I despise the MAGA movement and consider it a threat to our country’s freedom.

What saddens me, however, is the rabid partisanship and stereotyping on both sides that the OP demonstrates.

While there are undoubtedly some voters on the Republican side (and in any large group, including the Democrats), who are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and/or homophobic, most aren’t. They range the full spectrum from the incredibly good to the incredibly bad, with most falling somewhere in the middle.

Some of them have been misguided by right-wing media. Some may agree with Democrats on many issues, but have an issue of primary concern to them that they can’t accept the Democrat’s position. Moreover, nobody likes to be unjustly vilified. Telling someone that they are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic because they disagree with you isn’t likely to get them on your side, and is hardly convincing that you’re open-minded and tolerant.

I’m a conservative who intends to vote a straight Democratic ticket, because I recognize that defending our liberty takes priority over all other issues. You have to decide what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to demonize MAGA voters or to try to turn some of their votes? Stereotyping them and labeling them so negatively may allow you to feel smug and self-righteous, and even gather accolades from those who are like-minded, but you already have those votes. If that’s your priority, then I guess you can all feel smug and self-righteous if Republicans win and the country starts to go to Hell in Trump’s handbasket. On the other hand, if you want to prioritize winning the election, then I suggest treating Republicans like their vote would actually be welcome.

People are complex and so are the issues. You probably have some common ground with every MAGA candidate. Maybe you disagree on abortion and guns, but you can agree that grocery prices are too high. Maybe you disagree on fiscal policy, but you’re both pro-choice. Trump is not conservative. In a lot of ways, the parties have flipped. The Democrats are the ones defending the Constitution, fighting Russian invasion, have a former prosecutor in what appears to be a stable relationship as opposed to Trump who is covered with every kind of moral slime imaginable, not to mention his actual crimes. Trump is also pretty stupid for a “very stable genius” who has no filter and eight years of verbal diarrhea, not to mention his Tweets. Instead of attacking Trump voters, find out what they care about and show them how the Democrats can represent them better. In most cases, you can probably find a quote from Trump, himself, to make your point.

People talk about right and left like politics is a straight line with two opposite poles. I think that it’s actually like a circle. As you go further away from the political “center”, each side becomes more extreme until they meet on the side opposite the “center” at tyranny. Whether the tyrant labels himself a fascist or a communist, the politics doesn’t really matter. Whatever slogans he may spout, the only thing a tyrant really cares about is himself. Politics under a dictator are just the lever he used to seize power. Right now, I fear we stand at the edge of that cliff and Trump wants to push us over the edge. We must stop him. However, even if he is stopped, the divisiveness in this country with its fear-mongering and hatred leaves us vulnerable to the rise of others who would have similar ambitions, and they’ll use whichever side they feel they can exploit. Stopping Trump is vital, but it’s not enough. We must come together so we can’t be used against each other.

We need to win this election, and we need to come together with our fellow citizens. We are the UNITED States of America, and as Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” We must look for common ground ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error.


But many Americans are oppressors, racists, sexist, etc.


The problem is that any disagreement with someone will lead to accusations of misogyny, racism etc. Woman in the office adds 2 and 2 and gets 5. If a white guy points that out, he's a misogynist.

Before you cry "That's insane!" It is. But if you want proof of this reality, just read this obscure forum that goes by the initials DCUM.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that people I know are intelligent, sane people have voted for him and will vote for him again. It boggles my mind.

The MAGA cult is a whole other level. They seem to see him as portrayed on his trading cards, like a superhero that has zero basis in reality.



Why? Just why?


Immigration. My very sane parents, who raised me to be an independent thinker, tolerant of all and non-judgmental, are all in on Trump's plans for the border. That is their single issue, and they literally don't care about anything else. Oh, and 2A. Dad is convinced some Democrat boogeyman is going to swoop in and take his guns.

They're in their late 70s and readily admit their belief that any other issues (environment, gun control, RvW) will never impact them in the long run, so why should they care? This despite the fact that they have 2 young granddaughters who have to grow up in the world they leave behind, and their own DD (that would be me) had a medically necessary abortion to save my life, of the type being denied to many in Texas, Idaho, etc.

I'm an only child and love my parents very much. We don't talk about anything that might turn political.


But, don’t we all want the police to take his guns away?


Uhhh, no? Sensible gun control and enforcement of laws already on the books =/= "take all the guns away".


Kamala is on video saying she supports mandatory buybacks using lists of registered gun owners. That may be where PP’s dad is getting his idea of “some Democrat boogeyman.”


Nope, I'm actually the same PP. That isn't where he gets that idea. He literally thinks they're going to go door to door and search for all the guns. At every home in the country. No idea where that particular thought came from.


If there is a mandatory buyback and you don’t turn in your gun, the government could use a list of registered gun owner and go to your house and pick it up for you. It’s the logical next step.


No, he thinks they're going to literally go door to door to catch ALL the guns, registered or not.
There's LOTS of unregistered gun owners in this country.


Did your dad ever serve in combat?
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Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.


I despise the MAGA movement and consider it a threat to our country’s freedom.

What saddens me, however, is the rabid partisanship and stereotyping on both sides that the OP demonstrates.

While there are undoubtedly some voters on the Republican side (and in any large group, including the Democrats), who are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and/or homophobic, most aren’t. They range the full spectrum from the incredibly good to the incredibly bad, with most falling somewhere in the middle.

Some of them have been misguided by right-wing media. Some may agree with Democrats on many issues, but have an issue of primary concern to them that they can’t accept the Democrat’s position. Moreover, nobody likes to be unjustly vilified. Telling someone that they are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic because they disagree with you isn’t likely to get them on your side, and is hardly convincing that you’re open-minded and tolerant.

I’m a conservative who intends to vote a straight Democratic ticket, because I recognize that defending our liberty takes priority over all other issues. You have to decide what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to demonize MAGA voters or to try to turn some of their votes? Stereotyping them and labeling them so negatively may allow you to feel smug and self-righteous, and even gather accolades from those who are like-minded, but you already have those votes. If that’s your priority, then I guess you can all feel smug and self-righteous if Republicans win and the country starts to go to Hell in Trump’s handbasket. On the other hand, if you want to prioritize winning the election, then I suggest treating Republicans like their vote would actually be welcome.

People are complex and so are the issues. You probably have some common ground with every MAGA candidate. Maybe you disagree on abortion and guns, but you can agree that grocery prices are too high. Maybe you disagree on fiscal policy, but you’re both pro-choice. Trump is not conservative. In a lot of ways, the parties have flipped. The Democrats are the ones defending the Constitution, fighting Russian invasion, have a former prosecutor in what appears to be a stable relationship as opposed to Trump who is covered with every kind of moral slime imaginable, not to mention his actual crimes. Trump is also pretty stupid for a “very stable genius” who has no filter and eight years of verbal diarrhea, not to mention his Tweets. Instead of attacking Trump voters, find out what they care about and show them how the Democrats can represent them better. In most cases, you can probably find a quote from Trump, himself, to make your point.

People talk about right and left like politics is a straight line with two opposite poles. I think that it’s actually like a circle. As you go further away from the political “center”, each side becomes more extreme until they meet on the side opposite the “center” at tyranny. Whether the tyrant labels himself a fascist or a communist, the politics doesn’t really matter. Whatever slogans he may spout, the only thing a tyrant really cares about is himself. Politics under a dictator are just the lever he used to seize power. Right now, I fear we stand at the edge of that cliff and Trump wants to push us over the edge. We must stop him. However, even if he is stopped, the divisiveness in this country with its fear-mongering and hatred leaves us vulnerable to the rise of others who would have similar ambitions, and they’ll use whichever side they feel they can exploit. Stopping Trump is vital, but it’s not enough. We must come together so we can’t be used against each other.

We need to win this election, and we need to come together with our fellow citizens. We are the UNITED States of America, and as Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” We must look for common ground ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error.


But many Americans are oppressors, racists, sexist, etc.


The problem is that any disagreement with someone will lead to accusations of misogyny, racism etc. Woman in the office adds 2 and 2 and gets 5. If a white guy points that out, he's a misogynist.

Before you cry "That's insane!" It is. But if you want proof of this reality, just read this obscure forum that goes by the initials DCUM.


+1. And don’t forget that math is racist.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What is the definition of "mandatory buybacks"?

Is that confiscation of property?


Just eminent domain.
Anonymous
This is such a hoot. Misogynists? This coming from the group that wants to let men compete in women’s sports? Racists? From the group that views everything through the lens of race. Give it a rest already, it’s quite tiring.
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PP - they won't come for guns, but they could pound on every door looking for the "criminal" immigrants. Better have your passport close to the door - and hope they don't accuse you of forging it.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that people I know are intelligent, sane people have voted for him and will vote for him again. It boggles my mind.

The MAGA cult is a whole other level. They seem to see him as portrayed on his trading cards, like a superhero that has zero basis in reality.



Why? Just why?


Immigration. My very sane parents, who raised me to be an independent thinker, tolerant of all and non-judgmental, are all in on Trump's plans for the border. That is their single issue, and they literally don't care about anything else. Oh, and 2A. Dad is convinced some Democrat boogeyman is going to swoop in and take his guns.

They're in their late 70s and readily admit their belief that any other issues (environment, gun control, RvW) will never impact them in the long run, so why should they care? This despite the fact that they have 2 young granddaughters who have to grow up in the world they leave behind, and their own DD (that would be me) had a medically necessary abortion to save my life, of the type being denied to many in Texas, Idaho, etc.

I'm an only child and love my parents very much. We don't talk about anything that might turn political.


But, don’t we all want the police to take his guns away?


Uhhh, no? Sensible gun control and enforcement of laws already on the books =/= "take all the guns away".


Kamala is on video saying she supports mandatory buybacks using lists of registered gun owners. That may be where PP’s dad is getting his idea of “some Democrat boogeyman.”


Nope, I'm actually the same PP. That isn't where he gets that idea. He literally thinks they're going to go door to door and search for all the guns. At every home in the country. No idea where that particular thought came from.


If there is a mandatory buyback and you don’t turn in your gun, the government could use a list of registered gun owner and go to your house and pick it up for you. It’s the logical next step.


No, he thinks they're going to literally go door to door to catch ALL the guns, registered or not.
There's LOTS of unregistered gun owners in this country.


Did your dad ever serve in combat?


Yes. Vietnam.
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Anonymous wrote:PP - they won't come for guns, but they could pound on every door looking for the "criminal" immigrants. Better have your passport close to the door - and hope they don't accuse you of forging it.


If you are here legally, nothing to worry about.
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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe that people I know are intelligent, sane people have voted for him and will vote for him again. It boggles my mind.

The MAGA cult is a whole other level. They seem to see him as portrayed on his trading cards, like a superhero that has zero basis in reality.



Why? Just why?


Immigration. My very sane parents, who raised me to be an independent thinker, tolerant of all and non-judgmental, are all in on Trump's plans for the border. That is their single issue, and they literally don't care about anything else. Oh, and 2A. Dad is convinced some Democrat boogeyman is going to swoop in and take his guns.

They're in their late 70s and readily admit their belief that any other issues (environment, gun control, RvW) will never impact them in the long run, so why should they care? This despite the fact that they have 2 young granddaughters who have to grow up in the world they leave behind, and their own DD (that would be me) had a medically necessary abortion to save my life, of the type being denied to many in Texas, Idaho, etc.

I'm an only child and love my parents very much. We don't talk about anything that might turn political.


But, don’t we all want the police to take his guns away?


Uhhh, no? Sensible gun control and enforcement of laws already on the books =/= "take all the guns away".


Kamala is on video saying she supports mandatory buybacks using lists of registered gun owners. That may be where PP’s dad is getting his idea of “some Democrat boogeyman.”


Nope, I'm actually the same PP. That isn't where he gets that idea. He literally thinks they're going to go door to door and search for all the guns. At every home in the country. No idea where that particular thought came from.


If there is a mandatory buyback and you don’t turn in your gun, the government could use a list of registered gun owner and go to your house and pick it up for you. It’s the logical next step.


No, he thinks they're going to literally go door to door to catch ALL the guns, registered or not.
There's LOTS of unregistered gun owners in this country.


Did your dad ever serve in combat?


Yes. Vietnam.


Then it’s very understandable that he feels like his country is turning against him again.
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Anonymous wrote:This has been a violent, bigoted, anti-intellectual, corrupt country for most of its existence. The new thing is that what historically was brutality, oppression, and corruption by local and state ruling clans/sects/conspirators has become a nationalized movement due to technology advancements.



America has never been more racist than it is today!
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Anonymous wrote:This has been a violent, bigoted, anti-intellectual, corrupt country for most of its existence. The new thing is that what historically was brutality, oppression, and corruption by local and state ruling clans/sects/conspirators has become a nationalized movement due to technology advancements.



America has never been more racist than it is today!


Democrats in charge last 12 of 16 years.
Anonymous
If you are upset with the state of the country, look in the mirror.
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