MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

I’m pretty sure this poster is white…black people aren’t the only ones uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

The white kid with the Chilean grandfather no longer feels the need to check the box

Ding, ding, ding.

There are your missing Hispanics. If you go to private school in DC you know about one hundred of these kids. The grandmother was from Argentina but kid's name is Mary Jones and they live in a $4 million dollar home.
These kids are no longer getting the Hispanic bump or at least not with as much ease.

Guilty.

They had the numbers and the ECs and were as qualified as any fencing recruit or child of a PE partner.

The colleges make the rules. You roll with what is and adapt accordingly. It was a pleasant surprise that an Argentinean grandparent was good enough for a National Hispanic Recognition Award.

Top 20s for both of them.

Pretty sure it was the birthplace of the grandmother that made the difference. I mean they're awesome kids regardless, but I do think that little Hispanic box on the apps made the difference.

Like being black for the past 30 years. It's not some kid from Dunbar or Anacostia that's getting the spots at Princeton and MIT.

It's GDS and Sidwell and so on. Rich, privileged kids.

Just a convoluted way of saying that your underprivileged POC aren't really. The blacks and hispanics going to Harvard and Yale aren't coming from the barrio or the inner-city.

I’m confused. Everything is self reported. I can be black to the college board if I say so.

You'll need some copies of birth certificates and passports eventually.

I’m a current college student. I don’t even own a passport, and my birth certificate hasn’t left the family vault

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My white mid did not report race anywhere. Not on common app box or separate college section. Left it blank. All the kids were advised to leave it blank at our school,

They don’t have the “other, non-specified” category, do they? I didn’t open link.

My kid was admitted to a few Ivies, Hopkins, T10/20s. He will not be in the “white” category since he never checked his race. I suppose whites all stayed stable or dropped for this rule of reason too.

we were told the opposite, if you dont declare looked down upon

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

People seem to be confused about the word "diversity". HINT: it doesn't mean majority one race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

I’m pretty sure this poster is white…black people aren’t the only ones uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment

This is really racist. If you substitute any other race for Asian in "uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment" you'd be branded a racist but somehow you think it's okay to say this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

I’m pretty sure this poster is white…black people aren’t the only ones uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment

This is really racist. If you substitute any other race for Asian in "uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment" you'd be branded a racist but somehow you think it's okay to say this.

You seem obsessed with being a victim. If the ivies were majority black or Hispanic, people would be in a goddamn frenzy. Asians aren’t the first race to have racism happen to them, but it’s also just truthful that single race environments quickly become exclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Meritocracy is the way to go.

MIT does not have meritocratic admissions.

Isn’t a school that has strict SAT/ACT requirements closer to it than most colleges?

Many top schools have that. MIT still is heavily invested in extracurriculars and opinion-based metrics that have little to do with being the best student.

MIT defines the 'best student' as they see fit for thier institution whatever those characteristics may be. It's interesting that so many want to define 'merit' by a test for Math and Verbal proficiency and are aghast that some (people, institutions) define 'merit' differently. The idea that a person with M=780 has more 'merit' or is a 'better student' than a 700 is only true if one decides that that is the metric. Add in leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form, and/or being successful in a challenging environment and you have a different definition.

A score of 780 may indicate the aptitude to be successful in MIT's program, but that doesn't equate to full definition of the 'best student' for theirs program.

Who hires a person, finds a mate, choose a church, decide on friends by a single quantitative metric (or two) and defines the as 'best'?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

I’m pretty sure this poster is white…black people aren’t the only ones uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment

This is really racist. If you substitute any other race for Asian in "uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment" you'd be branded a racist but somehow you think it's okay to say this.

You seem obsessed with being a victim. If the ivies were majority black or Hispanic, people would be in a goddamn frenzy. Asians aren’t the first race to have racism happen to them, but it’s also just truthful that single race environments quickly become exclusive.

+2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Meritocracy is the way to go.

MIT does not have meritocratic admissions.

Isn’t a school that has strict SAT/ACT requirements closer to it than most colleges?

Many top schools have that. MIT still is heavily invested in extracurriculars and opinion-based metrics that have little to do with being the best student.

MIT defines the 'best student' as they see fit for thier institution whatever those characteristics may be. It's interesting that so many want to define 'merit' by a test for Math and Verbal proficiency and are aghast that some (people, institutions) define 'merit' differently. The idea that a person with M=780 has more 'merit' or is a 'better student' than a 700 is only true if one decides that that is the metric. Add in leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form, and/or being successful in a challenging environment and you have a different definition.

A score of 780 may indicate the aptitude to be successful in MIT's program, but that doesn't equate to full definition of the 'best student' for theirs program.

Who hires a person, finds a mate, choose a church, decide on friends by a single quantitative metric (or two) and defines the as 'best'?
[These analogies are dumb. When you are a college that has a few months to pick 1,300 people out of 33,000 applicants, something totally unlike these decisions, then you absolutely need a few appropriate quantitative metrics in order to weed out large numbers of applicants quickly.]

The idea that "leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form" etc. are going to outweigh test scores and good grades in a rigorous curriculum as measures of merit is what dishonest people say when they want to run interference for anti-Asian discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Meritocracy is the way to go.

MIT does not have meritocratic admissions.

Isn’t a school that has strict SAT/ACT requirements closer to it than most colleges?

Many top schools have that. MIT still is heavily invested in extracurriculars and opinion-based metrics that have little to do with being the best student.

MIT defines the 'best student' as they see fit for thier institution whatever those characteristics may be. It's interesting that so many want to define 'merit' by a test for Math and Verbal proficiency and are aghast that some (people, institutions) define 'merit' differently. The idea that a person with M=780 has more 'merit' or is a 'better student' than a 700 is only true if one decides that that is the metric. Add in leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form, and/or being successful in a challenging environment and you have a different definition.

A score of 780 may indicate the aptitude to be successful in MIT's program, but that doesn't equate to full definition of the 'best student' for theirs program.

Who hires a person, finds a mate, choose a church, decide on friends by a single quantitative metric (or two) and defines the as 'best'?
[These analogies are dumb. When you are a college that has a few months to pick 1,300 people out of 33,000 applicants, something totally unlike these decisions, then you absolutely need a few appropriate quantitative metrics in order to weed out large numbers of applicants quickly.]

The idea that "leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form" etc. are going to outweigh test scores and good grades in a rigorous curriculum as measures of merit is what dishonest people say when they want to run interference for anti-Asian discrimination.

The GPA and test scores are necessary but not sufficient. Why can't people understand that schools don't see any difference between a 1550 and a 1600 and that the class president with the 1550 is getting in over the 1600 student with nothing else remarkable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Meritocracy is the way to go.

MIT does not have meritocratic admissions.

Isn’t a school that has strict SAT/ACT requirements closer to it than most colleges?

Many top schools have that. MIT still is heavily invested in extracurriculars and opinion-based metrics that have little to do with being the best student.

MIT defines the 'best student' as they see fit for thier institution whatever those characteristics may be. It's interesting that so many want to define 'merit' by a test for Math and Verbal proficiency and are aghast that some (people, institutions) define 'merit' differently. The idea that a person with M=780 has more 'merit' or is a 'better student' than a 700 is only true if one decides that that is the metric. Add in leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form, and/or being successful in a challenging environment and you have a different definition.

A score of 780 may indicate the aptitude to be successful in MIT's program, but that doesn't equate to full definition of the 'best student' for theirs program.

Who hires a person, finds a mate, choose a church, decide on friends by a single quantitative metric (or two) and defines the as 'best'?
[These analogies are dumb. When you are a college that has a few months to pick 1,300 people out of 33,000 applicants, something totally unlike these decisions, then you absolutely need a few appropriate quantitative metrics in order to weed out large numbers of applicants quickly.]

The idea that "leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form" etc. are going to outweigh test scores and good grades in a rigorous curriculum as measures of merit is what dishonest people say when they want to run interference for anti-Asian discrimination.

I wonder how you think they decide a class when 80%+ of applicants reach the academic bar for admission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

I’m pretty sure this poster is white…black people aren’t the only ones uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment

This is really racist. If you substitute any other race for Asian in "uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment" you'd be branded a racist but somehow you think it's okay to say this.

This entire thread is racist AF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Turned off? Did she pretend she could get in? Why don’t you encourage her to apply to Howard University? She can get her diversity experience there.

I’m pretty sure this poster is white…black people aren’t the only ones uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment

This is really racist. If you substitute any other race for Asian in "uncomfortable with a majority Asian environment" you'd be branded a racist but somehow you think it's okay to say this.

This entire thread is racist AF.

Nothing said wouldn’t be said if any non-white group gained influence in the Ivy League.

[Anonymous]

Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?