Columbia Activism

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Protests these days are not like Vietnam war protests. These kids hide their faces, bully counterprotestors, and actively pursue causing chaos and fear. We saw this during the George Floyd protests/riots. It’s not peaceful protest and it’s not meant to be peaceful. It’s meant to be threatening. Black block stuff.

They do not legitimately want to rally the general population to their side. If they did, they would hold a peaceful, permitted march (like the Women’s Marches.)

Columbia has always had a weird group of anti-social extremists hanging around the fringes. Weirdo socialists tabling, anarchists, etc.

I'd also say that the Vietnam protests weren't about the Vietnamese people - they were about young Americans being drafted. People had a personal stake in the protests.

And to the extent they were praising the Viet Cong, all the 60s/70s leftists try to forget that ever happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those students were right about Vietnam. And the sit-ins that started there and spread to the rest of the country were pivotal in moving sentiment against involvement in Vietnam. When it was no longer tenable politically, the war was over.

Vietnam and Israel are not the same.

agree, more Cambodia/Gaza parallels.

Yes. Listening to the Columbia protestors declare "We are all Hamas" and wishing a 10/7 every day on Jews reminds me of Pol Pot. Jews at Columbia - Americans - are now being told to go home for their own safety. The hatred espoused by the Columbia student protesters is rabid and blind and dangerous. Lots of ideological similarities to the Khmer Rouge.

DP. Were you there? Were they actually chanting hateful, anti-semitic slogans? Or is this all from the rumor mill? The protesters at my kid's campus have been annoying and a little devious (disturbing their propaganda leaflet couched in admitted students day cover), but they said nothing hateful. They just want to draw attention to mass casualties and coerce the college to divest on investments that involve arming Israel. Vociferous and somewhat disruptive, but not hateful or espousing anything resembling attacking other people. That's what I see in the Columbia videos as well. They are focused on divestment. But, I can see how a loud large group could feel intimidating or threatening.

I worry about the political lobbyist posters coopting this board to advance an agenda.

The video is all over the internet- do a google search. It’s horrific and disgusting behavior.

I did. They are about divestment from military aid and investment transparency from Columbia. That is the focus. Yes, there was free Palestine chanting. Could there be some hateful people shouting hate speech? Sure, and that should not be tolerated, but don't construe that to be the focus of the group.

If you think that the message of these protests is about military investment and not from the river to the sea, then you are mistaken.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those students were right about Vietnam. And the sit-ins that started there and spread to the rest of the country were pivotal in moving sentiment against involvement in Vietnam. When it was no longer tenable politically, the war was over.

Vietnam and Israel are not the same.

agree, more Cambodia/Gaza parallels.

Yes. Listening to the Columbia protestors declare "We are all Hamas" and wishing a 10/7 every day on Jews reminds me of Pol Pot. Jews at Columbia - Americans - are now being told to go home for their own safety. The hatred espoused by the Columbia student protesters is rabid and blind and dangerous. Lots of ideological similarities to the Khmer Rouge.

When you say "jews are being told to go home", let's be clear that that was one rabbi's suggestion - and she's only associated with the college, not a faculty member.

PP, Protestors are screaming that at Jewish students, which is why the rabbi said they don’t feel they can ensure the safety of Jewish students. Campus security not even policing - only at the gates. Suspended students are on campus - Columbia is not even enforcing their own suspensions. The NYPD being called in was performative - today it is worse than ever on campus.
To the folks who commented on the grassy areas:
Columbia does have one very beautiful set of grassy areas - very beautiful and it should be open for all to enjoy.
All students whether Jewish or Muslim or anyone, should be able to enjoy hanging out on the green, getting some fresh air, studying outside, without the space being taken over by activists of any kind. Let’s protect the rights of students to enjoy all of the spaces on their campuses that they pay to have access to. Let’s protect the rights of students to be able to hear their professors in class without the deafening noise of protesters outside.

You would call any opposition to Israeli brutality “deafening noise.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you saying this is okay, read the government letter: https://edworkforce.house.gov/uploadedfiles/4-21-24_columbia_april_letter.pdf?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2KAaF5m5zaAUfz4L7O6k2uMFzqwTR4in6y5_p_I8sESUBJ_IUcChab0DI_aem_ATrHnDn7DzYiF7PBjwfCGqQhukMBm4QrM8YTNRjRv-j_prpeV9dyBn_RgXnbqVFKGgE-2tKDvG8SqeukmhGieUlP

There is nothing about this situation that is okay. I would not send a kid there.

"The government letter"??

This is written by Virginia Foxx, an anti-gay Trumper. She's all about God (her god). You might remember her from this memorable "Shut up!":

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1717013355775545630

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those students were right about Vietnam. And the sit-ins that started there and spread to the rest of the country were pivotal in moving sentiment against involvement in Vietnam. When it was no longer tenable politically, the war was over.

Vietnam and Israel are not the same.

agree, more Cambodia/Gaza parallels.

Yes. Listening to the Columbia protestors declare "We are all Hamas" and wishing a 10/7 every day on Jews reminds me of Pol Pot. Jews at Columbia - Americans - are now being told to go home for their own safety. The hatred espoused by the Columbia student protesters is rabid and blind and dangerous. Lots of ideological similarities to the Khmer Rouge.

DP. Were you there? Were they actually chanting hateful, anti-semitic slogans? Or is this all from the rumor mill? The protesters at my kid's campus have been annoying and a little devious (disturbing their propaganda leaflet couched in admitted students day cover), but they said nothing hateful. They just want to draw attention to mass casualties and coerce the college to divest on investments that involve arming Israel. Vociferous and somewhat disruptive, but not hateful or espousing anything resembling attacking other people. That's what I see in the Columbia videos as well. They are focused on divestment. But, I can see how a loud large group could feel intimidating or threatening.

I worry about the political lobbyist posters coopting this board to advance an agenda.

[Anonymous]

Protests are a first amendment right. Everyone has them, whether you disagree or not. Whether they are hateful or not. Supportive of your views are not.

KKK has first amendment rights.

So STFU about it and form your own protest if you don't like what you hear. The crazy ones -proud boys, KKK- show themselves for what they are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a link to a Life magazine from 1968. Notice what it says on the cover in the top right corner. Inside this issue was a big article about the students taking over the Columbia University. Different century, same insufferable students.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/404292575712

It's interesting how you compared the current protestors to those protesting for civil rights and against the Vietnam War.

Those "insufferable" students were on the right side of history and affected change, after all.

So you must think the current protestors are "right." Am I correct in this deduction? You made the comparison, after all.

Or do you just hate anyone who makes a fuss?

The students protesting against the Vietnam war were right. In hindsight, this is crystal clear. In the future, it will be crystal clear that the students protesting against Israel are right. To some of us, it's already obvious, but the others, in a few decades this will be the prevailing, uncontested opinion.

[Anonymous]

How many Jewish kids have been physically assaulted on Columbia's campus since October?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a link to a Life magazine from 1968. Notice what it says on the cover in the top right corner. Inside this issue was a big article about the students taking over the Columbia University. Different century, same insufferable students.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/404292575712

It's interesting how you compared the current protestors to those protesting for civil rights and against the Vietnam War.

Those "insufferable" students were on the right side of history and affected change, after all.

So you must think the current protestors are "right." Am I correct in this deduction? You made the comparison, after all.

Or do you just hate anyone who makes a fuss?

The students protesting against the Vietnam war were right. In hindsight, this is crystal clear. In the future, it will be crystal clear that the students protesting against Israel are right. To some of us, it's already obvious, but the others, in a few decades this will be the prevailing, uncontested opinion.

These protesters are chanting that Jewish students should go back to Poland, where their ancestors were slaughters by Nazis.

They are calling for the total obliteration of Israel.

This is not like the Vietnam protests. These are very ugly. I think they are helping turn public opinion against Gaza, actually.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Protests these days are not like Vietnam war protests. These kids hide their faces, bully counterprotestors, and actively pursue causing chaos and fear. We saw this during the George Floyd protests/riots. It’s not peaceful protest and it’s not meant to be peaceful. It’s meant to be threatening. Black block stuff.

They do not legitimately want to rally the general population to their side. If they did, they would hold a peaceful, permitted march (like the Women’s Marches.)

Columbia has always had a weird group of anti-social extremists hanging around the fringes. Weirdo socialists tabling, anarchists, etc.

I'd also say that the Vietnam protests weren't about the Vietnamese people - they were about young Americans being drafted. People had a personal stake in the protests.

People have a personal stake when their entire extended families in Gaza are wiped out by bombs dropped by Jews and paid for by Americans.

The bombs were dropped by the Israeli government not “Jews” in general. But thanks for underlining the point.

The people to protest are Hamas, who indeed started this war.

Can I ask you a question, before I probably get banned for the day (or longer)?

The fact that comments like these are so prolific on DCUM - and that the website owner/moderator is so anti-Israel, sees nothing wrong with these protests, regularly deletes comments that are about the anti-semitism in these protests, etc - does it give you any pause spending time on this website?

I am wholly addicted to DCUM - and also feel as if I am participating in something that is very "leopards eating my face" by spending so much time here.

Feel free to see yourself out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Protests are a first amendment right. Everyone has them, whether you disagree or not. Whether they are hateful or not. Supportive of your views are not.

KKK has first amendment rights.

So STFU about it and form your own protest if you don't like what you hear. The crazy ones -proud boys, KKK- show themselves for what they are.

Every knows this dear.

We’re asking if Colombia would be allowing these protests if it was a KKK message of white pride.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protests these days are not like Vietnam war protests. These kids hide their faces, bully counterprotestors, and actively pursue causing chaos and fear. We saw this during the George Floyd protests/riots. It’s not peaceful protest and it’s not meant to be peaceful. It’s meant to be threatening. Black block stuff.

They do not legitimately want to rally the general population to their side. If they did, they would hold a peaceful, permitted march (like the Women’s Marches.)

Columbia has always had a weird group of anti-social extremists hanging around the fringes. Weirdo socialists tabling, anarchists, etc.

I'd also say that the Vietnam protests weren't about the Vietnamese people - they were about young Americans being drafted. People had a personal stake in the protests.

People have a personal stake when their entire extended families in Gaza are wiped out by bombs dropped by Jews and paid for by Americans.

The bombs were dropped by the Israeli government not “Jews” in general. But thanks for underlining the point.

The people to protest are Hamas, who indeed started this war.

Can I ask you a question, before I probably get banned for the day (or longer)?

The fact that comments like these are so prolific on DCUM - and that the website owner/moderator is so anti-Israel, sees nothing wrong with these protests, regularly deletes comments that are about the anti-semitism in these protests, etc - does it give you any pause spending time on this website?

I am wholly addicted to DCUM - and also feel as if I am participating in something that is very "leopards eating my face" by spending so much time here.

Feel free to see yourself out.

I'm not asking you. I'm asking the other person on this thread who sees your anti-semitism, and is still here on this website.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those students were right about Vietnam. And the sit-ins that started there and spread to the rest of the country were pivotal in moving sentiment against involvement in Vietnam. When it was no longer tenable politically, the war was over.

Vietnam and Israel are not the same.

agree, more Cambodia/Gaza parallels.

Yes. Listening to the Columbia protestors declare "We are all Hamas" and wishing a 10/7 every day on Jews reminds me of Pol Pot. Jews at Columbia - Americans - are now being told to go home for their own safety. The hatred espoused by the Columbia student protesters is rabid and blind and dangerous. Lots of ideological similarities to the Khmer Rouge.

DP. Were you there? Were they actually chanting hateful, anti-semitic slogans? Or is this all from the rumor mill? The protesters at my kid's campus have been annoying and a little devious (disturbing their propaganda leaflet couched in admitted students day cover), but they said nothing hateful. They just want to draw attention to mass casualties and coerce the college to divest on investments that involve arming Israel. Vociferous and somewhat disruptive, but not hateful or espousing anything resembling attacking other people. That's what I see in the Columbia videos as well. They are focused on divestment. But, I can see how a loud large group could feel intimidating or threatening.

I worry about the political lobbyist posters coopting this board to advance an agenda.

And this.

Neither of these clips is on the Columbia campus.

Perhaps it bothers you that even more young adults in NYC oppose the actions of Israel but equating all the protesters with “Columbia students” actually seems to be an attempt to ring fence the activism and ascribe it all to students at one school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those students were right about Vietnam. And the sit-ins that started there and spread to the rest of the country were pivotal in moving sentiment against involvement in Vietnam. When it was no longer tenable politically, the war was over.

Vietnam and Israel are not the same.

agree, more Cambodia/Gaza parallels.

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