4 day school week?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:4 day week for teachers is great. Kids still need a 5th day of care. That can be clubs or arts days with different staffing.

Would this shorten the summer? It’s already short enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School personnel here --we are not babysitters.

I would love a 4-day week. My cousin has taught in 2 districts with 4 days weeks -- no burnout, everyone loves it.

You are responsible for your own children.

f you. actually the state mandates that I send my kid to school. if you don’t want to work a normal job and summers off isn’t enough for you, you can find a different job.

“F you?” Are you 12?

Yes, the state mandates that you send your kid to school. If schools go to four days a week, you will send your kids to school four days a week. Simple. Don’t like it? Hire childcare while you work and homeschool around that.

DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School personnel here --we are not babysitters.

I would love a 4-day week. My cousin has taught in 2 districts with 4 days weeks -- no burnout, everyone loves it.

You are responsible for your own children.

And thus another homeschool family is made.

This is not the threat you think it is. Bye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:4 day week for teachers is great. Kids still need a 5th day of care. That can be clubs or arts days with different staffing.

Clubs or arts? Best case scenario it would be YouTube. Worst case, would be carjacking and robbery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School personnel here --we are not babysitters.

I would love a 4-day week. My cousin has taught in 2 districts with 4 days weeks -- no burnout, everyone loves it.

You are responsible for your own children.

Fine with me if you get 80% salary. Otherwise, forget it.

Excuse me? Who are you again? Oh, right. Nobody.

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Anonymous wrote:It's terrible. My brother and his family live in a district that went to a 4-day school week due to budget shortfalls and it's miserable for working parents. No onsite care provided on the day off either -- you're on your own. Most of the families in this district have two working parents, and it's common for parents to do hourly and shift work. In some ways that can make it easier (you and your spouse just take different days off so that someone can be home with your kids on Friday when there is no school) but the reality is that it means families are stretched thin with less leisure time. Plus they have the same learning loss issues everyone has from Covid, so I know my brother and SIL also feel more pressure to be doing more academic enrichment with fewer days in the classroom and concerns about reading levels and math acquisition from a year of virtual and a poorly managed hybrid schedule.

It's an example of how we are just abandoning families. My SIL and I have talked about feeling like we had kids under false pretenses, as people who had children between 2014 and 2018. It never occurred to me when I chose to have kids that my kids might only go to school 4 days a week or that there would be literally no open daycare spots because they changed the regulations for daycares and it eliminated hundreds of available spaces in the neighborhood (which happened to us). Our school aftercare literally doubled in cost when they switched vendors. It feels like it only gets worse and never better.

I understand the day care/cost concerns but teachers and school systems are not babysitters. It's starting to feel that way. Parents are viewing schools as a place to drop your kids-teachers and admin can't do their jobs-you know teaching because we have to parent all day. We have to find a balance with schools. Teachers are quitting in high numbers and school systems are just jamming more kids in to classrooms. That leads to burnout for the teacher who stayed and learning loss also happens in these over sized classrooms. Education is broken. Families are relying too heavily on schools-it can't keep going this way.

Are you a teacher?

I am and I'm also a parent of three.

Respectfully, the "school isn't childcare" trope is tired and does little to garner support for teachers. Why can't we debate whether public education, which is compulsory, should be delivered in a manner that recognizes that most families have working parents and accommodates the need for a consistent schedule for school attendance? Teachers say that childcare needs don't matter for purposes of delivering public education, yet when they are called upon to provide childcare for their own children, childcare needs are critically important. This was evident during the pandemic, but I've heard protests about unreasonable expectations for teachers to obtain childcare for their own children for years when our district debated adding school days to make up for weather closures. We can't possibly teach on those extra days, because we won't have childcare. Is it "parent your children and figure it out" as long as you aren't a teacher?

Ideally, we should all come together to figure out how to address teacher workload and burnout while also setting families up to succeed in supporting their kids' education. Just like teachers, the more maxed-out families are trying to balance their work lives and parenting duties, the less likely they are to send their kids to school ready to learn.

It’s not a “trope.” It’s a fact. Yes, people use school as childcare. No, they aren’t entitled to that at all times and under all circumstances. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's terrible. My brother and his family live in a district that went to a 4-day school week due to budget shortfalls and it's miserable for working parents. No onsite care provided on the day off either -- you're on your own. Most of the families in this district have two working parents, and it's common for parents to do hourly and shift work. In some ways that can make it easier (you and your spouse just take different days off so that someone can be home with your kids on Friday when there is no school) but the reality is that it means families are stretched thin with less leisure time. Plus they have the same learning loss issues everyone has from Covid, so I know my brother and SIL also feel more pressure to be doing more academic enrichment with fewer days in the classroom and concerns about reading levels and math acquisition from a year of virtual and a poorly managed hybrid schedule.

It's an example of how we are just abandoning families. My SIL and I have talked about feeling like we had kids under false pretenses, as people who had children between 2014 and 2018. It never occurred to me when I chose to have kids that my kids might only go to school 4 days a week or that there would be literally no open daycare spots because they changed the regulations for daycares and it eliminated hundreds of available spaces in the neighborhood (which happened to us). Our school aftercare literally doubled in cost when they switched vendors. It feels like it only gets worse and never better.

I understand the day care/cost concerns but teachers and school systems are not babysitters. It's starting to feel that way. Parents are viewing schools as a place to drop your kids-teachers and admin can't do their jobs-you know teaching because we have to parent all day. We have to find a balance with schools. Teachers are quitting in high numbers and school systems are just jamming more kids in to classrooms. That leads to burnout for the teacher who stayed and learning loss also happens in these over sized classrooms. Education is broken. Families are relying too heavily on schools-it can't keep going this way.

Are you a teacher?

I am and I'm also a parent of three.

Respectfully, the "school isn't childcare" trope is tired and does little to garner support for teachers. Why can't we debate whether public education, which is compulsory, should be delivered in a manner that recognizes that most families have working parents and accommodates the need for a consistent schedule for school attendance? Teachers say that childcare needs don't matter for purposes of delivering public education, yet when they are called upon to provide childcare for their own children, childcare needs are critically important. This was evident during the pandemic, but I've heard protests about unreasonable expectations for teachers to obtain childcare for their own children for years when our district debated adding school days to make up for weather closures. We can't possibly teach on those extra days, because we won't have childcare. Is it "parent your children and figure it out" as long as you aren't a teacher?

Ideally, we should all come together to figure out how to address teacher workload and burnout while also setting families up to succeed in supporting their kids' education. Just like teachers, the more maxed-out families are trying to balance their work lives and parenting duties, the less likely they are to send their kids to school ready to learn.

It’s not a “trope.” It’s a fact. Yes, people use school as childcare. No, they aren’t entitled to that at all times and under all circumstances. Sorry.

Entitled? No. But it's a really good idea. The crime rate by youth skyrocketed during virtual school and during shortened school weeks.

[Anonymous]

No, I don't want 4 day school week. We already have to use before care/after care for school age kids for 5 days a week on school days. Unless I can work 4 days a week, or else my kids will be sent to a full day camp on that no school day. I hate them watching youtube all day on weekend, and they don't need one extra day to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:It's terrible. My brother and his family live in a district that went to a 4-day school week due to budget shortfalls and it's miserable for working parents. No onsite care provided on the day off either -- you're on your own. Most of the families in this district have two working parents, and it's common for parents to do hourly and shift work. In some ways that can make it easier (you and your spouse just take different days off so that someone can be home with your kids on Friday when there is no school) but the reality is that it means families are stretched thin with less leisure time. Plus they have the same learning loss issues everyone has from Covid, so I know my brother and SIL also feel more pressure to be doing more academic enrichment with fewer days in the classroom and concerns about reading levels and math acquisition from a year of virtual and a poorly managed hybrid schedule.

It's an example of how we are just abandoning families. My SIL and I have talked about feeling like we had kids under false pretenses, as people who had children between 2014 and 2018. It never occurred to me when I chose to have kids that my kids might only go to school 4 days a week or that there would be literally no open daycare spots because they changed the regulations for daycares and it eliminated hundreds of available spaces in the neighborhood (which happened to us). Our school aftercare literally doubled in cost when they switched vendors. It feels like it only gets worse and never better.

I understand the day care/cost concerns but teachers and school systems are not babysitters. It's starting to feel that way. Parents are viewing schools as a place to drop your kids-teachers and admin can't do their jobs-you know teaching because we have to parent all day. We have to find a balance with schools. Teachers are quitting in high numbers and school systems are just jamming more kids in to classrooms. That leads to burnout for the teacher who stayed and learning loss also happens in these over sized classrooms. Education is broken. Families are relying too heavily on schools-it can't keep going this way.

Are you a teacher?

I am and I'm also a parent of three.

Respectfully, the "school isn't childcare" trope is tired and does little to garner support for teachers. Why can't we debate whether public education, which is compulsory, should be delivered in a manner that recognizes that most families have working parents and accommodates the need for a consistent schedule for school attendance? Teachers say that childcare needs don't matter for purposes of delivering public education, yet when they are called upon to provide childcare for their own children, childcare needs are critically important. This was evident during the pandemic, but I've heard protests about unreasonable expectations for teachers to obtain childcare for their own children for years when our district debated adding school days to make up for weather closures. We can't possibly teach on those extra days, because we won't have childcare. Is it "parent your children and figure it out" as long as you aren't a teacher?

Ideally, we should all come together to figure out how to address teacher workload and burnout while also setting families up to succeed in supporting their kids' education. Just like teachers, the more maxed-out families are trying to balance their work lives and parenting duties, the less likely they are to send their kids to school ready to learn.

It’s not a “trope.” It’s a fact. Yes, people use school as childcare. No, they aren’t entitled to that at all times and under all circumstances. Sorry.

Schools have effectively doubled as child care since the beginning of free public education. Some of the earliest public schools were set up to allow single mothers to work during the day.

That school serves a secondary purpose of child care is just a fact. You're not going to get a 4 day work week by ignoring that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, I don't want 4 day school week. We already have to use before care/after care for school age kids for 5 days a week on school days. Unless I can work 4 days a week, or else my kids will be sent to a full day camp on that no school day. I hate them watching youtube all day on weekend, and they don't need one extra day to do so.

If you hate that they are watching you tube all day on the weekends why are they doing it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:4 day week for teachers is great. Kids still need a 5th day of care. That can be clubs or arts days with different staffing.

Clubs or arts? Best case scenario it would be YouTube. Worst case, would be carjacking and robbery.

+1 once they get past elementary age it’s game over.

There were districts that went to 4 days a week in other states during the recession. We made fun of them on here so much. People called them poor, said they’d never live in like, Oklahoma or Arkansas or wherever was doing that, “it’s because Republicans don’t care about children and they’re balancing the budget on the backs of kids, how could they do that” but when your party does it it’s suddenly fine. Make it make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. I'm against 4 day school weeks. This only happens in places where communities don't fund their public schools. If we want 5 day school weeks, we need to keep funding schools. Period.

+1

I don’t think this will ever happen in the DMV.

Unfortunately, it happens in the really poor states which unfortunately choose politics over their kids who are their future.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I don't want 4 day school week. We already have to use before care/after care for school age kids for 5 days a week on school days. Unless I can work 4 days a week, or else my kids will be sent to a full day camp on that no school day. I hate them watching youtube all day on weekend, and they don't need one extra day to do so.

If you hate that they are watching you tube all day on the weekends why are they doing it?

Pp here. They are in school for 50 hours a week include before care/after care. On top of it, every week, one does math enrichment, soccer, swimming, cub scout and basketball. The other one does dance , gynmastic and swimming. They both learn foreign language. They need some down time, even though how much I hate they pick youtube when they have nothing to do. I try my best to not keep them at home and keep them busy and occupied with activities. We need a break as parents. Academic is my least worry for 4 days school, and my worry is to keep them busy not watching too much youtube, so that I can work and relax a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I don't want 4 day school week. We already have to use before care/after care for school age kids for 5 days a week on school days. Unless I can work 4 days a week, or else my kids will be sent to a full day camp on that no school day. I hate them watching youtube all day on weekend, and they don't need one extra day to do so.

If you hate that they are watching you tube all day on the weekends why are they doing it?

Pp here. They are in school for 50 hours a week include before care/after care. On top of it, every week, one does math enrichment, soccer, swimming, cub scout and basketball. The other one does dance , gynmastic and swimming. They both learn foreign language. They need some down time, even though how much I hate they pick youtube when they have nothing to do. I try my best to not keep them at home and keep them busy and occupied with activities. We need a break as parents. Academic is my least worry for 4 days school, and my worry is to keep them busy not watching too much youtube, so that I can work and relax a bit.

so with 50 hours of school/care, all those activities, and utube all day, when do you stuff with them? Yes you need a break, I get that, but you chose to have kids and now you’re farming them out constantly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I don't want 4 day school week. We already have to use before care/after care for school age kids for 5 days a week on school days. Unless I can work 4 days a week, or else my kids will be sent to a full day camp on that no school day. I hate them watching youtube all day on weekend, and they don't need one extra day to do so.

If you hate that they are watching you tube all day on the weekends why are they doing it?

Because that’s what kids do. Please don’t imply kids are watching YouTube because of bad parenting.

We are failing our kids. Kids in other first world countries are stomping on our kids in math and reading. We are falling behind and you want to cut school days.