Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver is under 18, there are no serious repercussions for their actions. Juvi for a year, tops.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-teenager-facing-murder-charge-after-intentionally-hitting-bicyclist-with-stolen-car-police-say/

The rest of his life should be ruined. If that cyclist was my family member I'd see to it. While he goes on and lives his life I'd make sure everyone knew/remembered what he did.
If he got married I'd stand outside the church/reception with a huge sign calling him a murderer. If he had kids, I'd find out what school his kids go to and make sure every parent at that school knew what "Billy's dad" did.

Really?

Obviously someone who would think it fun to run over another person has a shortage of empathy. If running over someone didn’t bother them, it is questionable if shaming their kids would either. Meanwhile, whether or not the guilty party was affected, their innocent child who had no part in their parent’s misdeeds, no opportunity to choose their parent, and probably has already suffered from having been raised by that kind of person, would be further harmed by your actions. An adult bullying an innocent child is hardly righteous justice.

We all know any offspring of this guy will turn out exactly like him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.

Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.

Just societies don't have the death penalty.

Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.

[Anonymous]

I'm as liberal as they come, but this person is at the very least a sociopath and possibly a psychopath. He should be locked up for a very long time. It's not about his brain development; it's more likely a genetic deficit and there is no cure. Sure, some psychopaths can function in society but the odds are long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver is under 18, there are no serious repercussions for their actions. Juvi for a year, tops.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-teenager-facing-murder-charge-after-intentionally-hitting-bicyclist-with-stolen-car-police-say/

The rest of his life should be ruined. If that cyclist was my family member I'd see to it. While he goes on and lives his life I'd make sure everyone knew/remembered what he did.
If he got married I'd stand outside the church/reception with a huge sign calling him a murderer. If he had kids, I'd find out what school his kids go to and make sure every parent at that school knew what "Billy's dad" did.

Really?

Obviously someone who would think it fun to run over another person has a shortage of empathy. If running over someone didn’t bother them, it is questionable if shaming their kids would either. Meanwhile, whether or not the guilty party was affected, their innocent child who had no part in their parent’s misdeeds, no opportunity to choose their parent, and probably has already suffered from having been raised by that kind of person, would be further harmed by your actions. An adult bullying an innocent child is hardly righteous justice.

Don't worry, this guy isn't going to get married or raise children. I'm sure he will have lots of children with random women but most of them won't even know who their father is.

[Anonymous]

30 years for this kid. And even then, only let him out if he’s truly sorry and rehabilitated. Someone acting like this is seriously broken and probably can’t be fixed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver is under 18, there are no serious repercussions for their actions. Juvi for a year, tops.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-teenager-facing-murder-charge-after-intentionally-hitting-bicyclist-with-stolen-car-police-say/

The rest of his life should be ruined. If that cyclist was my family member I'd see to it. While he goes on and lives his life I'd make sure everyone knew/remembered what he did.
If he got married I'd stand outside the church/reception with a huge sign calling him a murderer. If he had kids, I'd find out what school his kids go to and make sure every parent at that school knew what "Billy's dad" did.

I definitely understand the sentiment, but I wonder who it hurts more - the perpetually shamed perpetrator, or the perpetual shamer?

I wonder if any of you have ever worked in the criminal justice system, in particular with youth offenders? Or have any of you ever been school teachers?

There is a vast difference between the human brain at 17 and the human brain at 27, or 37, or 47.

Of course the crime is horrific, and nothing will ever sufficiently comfort the family of the victim.

Yes to both. There is zero chance the offender was a "good kid" before the morning he woke up and decided to do this. Most likely there have been issues since pre-k or kindergarten, dozens of interventions implemented and documented, family services has been involved numerous times, and this is not his first brush with serious trouble. He never faced serious consequences because boys will be boys/ he's young and he'll grow out of it/ he didn't mean to actually hurt anyone/ he's going through a lot at home. Parents probably used these excuses regularly along with a good helping of blaming the school, social worker, and anyone else involved with actually trying to help the kid over the years.

It's not a school to prison pipeline, people. It's a parenting to prison pipeline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver is under 18, there are no serious repercussions for their actions. Juvi for a year, tops.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-teenager-facing-murder-charge-after-intentionally-hitting-bicyclist-with-stolen-car-police-say/

The rest of his life should be ruined. If that cyclist was my family member I'd see to it. While he goes on and lives his life I'd make sure everyone knew/remembered what he did.
If he got married I'd stand outside the church/reception with a huge sign calling him a murderer. If he had kids, I'd find out what school his kids go to and make sure every parent at that school knew what "Billy's dad" did.

I definitely understand the sentiment, but I wonder who it hurts more - the perpetually shamed perpetrator, or the perpetual shamer?

I wonder if any of you have ever worked in the criminal justice system, in particular with youth offenders? Or have any of you ever been school teachers?

There is a vast difference between the human brain at 17 and the human brain at 27, or 37, or 47.

Of course the crime is horrific, and nothing will ever sufficiently comfort the family of the victim.

Yes to both. There is zero chance the offender was a "good kid" before the morning he woke up and decided to do this. Most likely there have been issues since pre-k or kindergarten, dozens of interventions implemented and documented, family services has been involved numerous times, and this is not his first brush with serious trouble. He never faced serious consequences because boys will be boys/ he's young and he'll grow out of it/ he didn't mean to actually hurt anyone/ he's going through a lot at home. Parents probably used these excuses regularly along with a good helping of blaming the school, social worker, and anyone else involved with actually trying to help the kid over the years.

It's not a school to prison pipeline, people. It's a parenting to prison pipeline.

Exactly!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal as they come, but this person is at the very least a sociopath and possibly a psychopath. He should be locked up for a very long time. It's not about his brain development; it's more likely a genetic deficit and there is no cure. Sure, some psychopaths can function in society but the odds are long.

Locked up for a long time and sterilized to prevent him from procreating and generating additional sociopaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver is under 18, there are no serious repercussions for their actions. Juvi for a year, tops.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-teenager-facing-murder-charge-after-intentionally-hitting-bicyclist-with-stolen-car-police-say/

The rest of his life should be ruined. If that cyclist was my family member I'd see to it. While he goes on and lives his life I'd make sure everyone knew/remembered what he did.
If he got married I'd stand outside the church/reception with a huge sign calling him a murderer. If he had kids, I'd find out what school his kids go to and make sure every parent at that school knew what "Billy's dad" did.

I definitely understand the sentiment, but I wonder who it hurts more - the perpetually shamed perpetrator, or the perpetual shamer?

I wonder if any of you have ever worked in the criminal justice system, in particular with youth offenders? Or have any of you ever been school teachers?

There is a vast difference between the human brain at 17 and the human brain at 27, or 37, or 47.

Of course the crime is horrific, and nothing will ever sufficiently comfort the family of the victim.

Yes to both. There is zero chance the offender was a "good kid" before the morning he woke up and decided to do this. Most likely there have been issues since pre-k or kindergarten, dozens of interventions implemented and documented, family services has been involved numerous times, and this is not his first brush with serious trouble. He never faced serious consequences because boys will be boys/ he's young and he'll grow out of it/ he didn't mean to actually hurt anyone/ he's going through a lot at home. Parents probably used these excuses regularly along with a good helping of blaming the school, social worker, and anyone else involved with actually trying to help the kid over the years.

It's not a school to prison pipeline, people. It's a parenting to prison pipeline.

Well, yeah. Just like the achievement gap is actually just a parenting gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People like this are not redeemable and we need to stop wasting resources trying to “save” those like him.

I am always happy when murderers kill themselves and save millions of dollars. If only the kid had crashed the car and died in a fiery heap. Now millions will be spend for nothing

Same thing with drug overdoses. Why give out Narcan. Let them die. They are damaged beyond redemption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.

Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.

Just societies don't have the death penalty.

Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.

+1000000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This should have been plastered all over the news. It wasn’t. I wonder why?

It's just spreading now, thanks to the video, even though it occurred a month ago. The cyclist was a retired police chief. The driver has been charged with murder. No word if the passenger filming was charged. But even if charged, I agree with the PPs that they'll be treated lightly if tried as juveniles.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/16/retired-police-chief-was-intentionally-mowed-down-on-bike-by-teen-driver-disturbing-video-shows-hit-his-ass/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This should have been plastered all over the news. It wasn’t. I wonder why?

It's just spreading now, thanks to the video, even though it occurred a month ago. The cyclist was a retired police chief. The driver has been charged with murder. No word if the passenger filming was charged. But even if charged, I agree with the PPs that they'll be treated lightly if tried as juveniles.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/16/retired-police-chief-was-intentionally-mowed-down-on-bike-by-teen-driver-disturbing-video-shows-hit-his-ass/

that’s even worse than I thought - they posted it to social media?

[Anonymous]

Don’t they charge juveniles as adults in some cases?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.

Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.

Just societies don't have the death penalty.

Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.

Which just societies have the death penalty in 2023?