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Anonymous wrote:I would be way more worried about your child coming out entitled than LGBTQ from going to Maret. My kids were taught about these things in elementary (not explicit things but that different types of relationships/families exist) and they are all well adjusted elder teens/20s. It appeared to have zero impact on how they view themselves. This seems like a fake post to me

Thank you, a reasonable and thoughtful response except the last sentence I guess lol. Why would they come out entitled going to Maret? I admit - I am new to the whole private school world.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Ok, let's assume that you're correct when you say "the whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now." (This ignores a slew of anti-trans legislation, book bans, shootings at gay clubs, but for kicks, let's pretend.) So? Valorizing the LGBTQ community isn't attacking another community. When the straight community isn't the center of the conversation, that isn't an attack or a put down. That's just "not being the center of the conversation" for a bit. It feels like oppression when you're used to special treatment, but it isn't.

Straight kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are for being straight by literally every cultural institution in the country, including schools.

This is just not true in any meaningful sense. There is no explicit messaging to straight kids or families praising them for that aspect of their lives. You're argument is, at best, that it is baked in because it is the default, but saying that something is the default is very different from something being expressly praised. [b]If it's the default, it is unremarkable, and nobody cares.

Spoken like someone who is in the default.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Exactly. Are there ANY private schools in DC that aren’t parading sexual orientation issues to little kids? 😩

I don't know of any private schools that prohibit parading sexual orientation issues to little kids. They don't even ban books about families having babies or prohibit teachers from mentioning their spouses.

There may be schools prohibit parading certain types of sexual orientation issues to little kids. I don't know what they are. But at least be honest when you ask the question.

What do you mean “be honest” - you are idiotic beyond measure.

I mean that, when you say that you "just want to keep all talk of sexual orientation away from little kids," that's not what you're actually asking for. Kids hear about straight sexual orientation all the time, including in elementary schools. You're asking for certain types of sexual orientation to be excluded. But that doesn't sound as good, so you don't phrase it that way.

LOL nope try again. Kids don’t hear about straight sexual orientation in elementary school. But apparently now they are required to hear about all sorts of sexual orientation. Sex. Sexual Orientation. Gay. Straight. It needs to stay out of the elementary school setting. It’s not age appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Ok, let's assume that you're correct when you say "the whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now." (This ignores a slew of anti-trans legislation, book bans, shootings at gay clubs, but for kicks, let's pretend.) So? Valorizing the LGBTQ community isn't attacking another community. When the straight community isn't the center of the conversation, that isn't an attack or a put down. That's just "not being the center of the conversation" for a bit. It feels like oppression when you're used to special treatment, but it isn't.

Straight kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are for being straight by literally every cultural institution in the country, including schools.

This is just not true in any meaningful sense. There is no explicit messaging to straight kids or families praising them for that aspect of their lives. You're argument is, at best, that it is baked in because it is the default, but saying that something is the default is very different from something being expressly praised. [b]If it's the default, it is unremarkable, and nobody cares.

Spoken like someone who is in the default.

So? That means what? My view doesn't count? That's the problem. You think one group's views should be devalued, and another group's views should be praised. Other people feel differently.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Ok, let's assume that you're correct when you say "the whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now." (This ignores a slew of anti-trans legislation, book bans, shootings at gay clubs, but for kicks, let's pretend.) So? Valorizing the LGBTQ community isn't attacking another community. When the straight community isn't the center of the conversation, that isn't an attack or a put down. That's just "not being the center of the conversation" for a bit. It feels like oppression when you're used to special treatment, but it isn't.

Straight kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are for being straight by literally every cultural institution in the country, including schools.[b]

This is just not true in any meaningful sense. There is no explicit messaging to straight kids or families praising them for that aspect of their lives. You're argument is, at best, that it is baked in because it is the default, but saying that something is the default is very different from something being expressly praised. If it's the default, it is unremarkable, and nobody cares.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Exactly. Are there ANY private schools in DC that aren’t parading sexual orientation issues to little kids? 😩

I don't know of any private schools that prohibit parading sexual orientation issues to little kids. They don't even ban books about families having babies or prohibit teachers from mentioning their spouses.

There may be schools prohibit parading certain types of sexual orientation issues to little kids. I don't know what they are. But at least be honest when you ask the question.

What do you mean “be honest” - you are idiotic beyond measure.

I mean that, when you say that you "just want to keep all talk of sexual orientation away from little kids," that's not what you're actually asking for. Kids hear about straight sexual orientation all the time, including in elementary schools. You're asking for certain types of sexual orientation to be excluded. But that doesn't sound as good, so you don't phrase it that way.

LOL nope try again. Kids don’t hear about straight sexual orientation in elementary school. But apparently now they are required to hear about all sorts of sexual orientation. Sex. Sexual Orientation. Gay. Straight. It needs to stay out of the elementary school setting. It’s not age appropriate.

So, you're fine with a book being read in elementary school where Larla lives her life with mom and dad. And then another book where Darla lives her life with her dad and dad. As long as it's just about living their normal, every day lives without using the words straight or gay?

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Ok, let's assume that you're correct when you say "the whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now." (This ignores a slew of anti-trans legislation, book bans, shootings at gay clubs, but for kicks, let's pretend.) So? Valorizing the LGBTQ community isn't attacking another community. When the straight community isn't the center of the conversation, that isn't an attack or a put down. That's just "not being the center of the conversation" for a bit. It feels like oppression when you're used to special treatment, but it isn't.

Straight kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are for being straight by literally every cultural institution in the country, including schools.

This is just not true in any meaningful sense. There is no explicit messaging to straight kids or families praising them for that aspect of their lives. You're argument is, at best, that it is baked in because it is the default, but saying that something is the default is very different from something being expressly praised. [b]If it's the default, it is unremarkable, and nobody cares.

Spoken like someone who is in the default.

So? That means what? My view doesn't count? That's the problem. You think one group's views should be devalued, and another group's views should be praised. Other people feel differently.

Exactly and the “progressives” wonder why they turn people off from their cause. They may get more compassion if they showed a little respect and compassion themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Exactly. Are there ANY private schools in DC that aren’t parading sexual orientation issues to little kids? 😩

I don't know of any private schools that prohibit parading sexual orientation issues to little kids. They don't even ban books about families having babies or prohibit teachers from mentioning their spouses.

There may be schools prohibit parading certain types of sexual orientation issues to little kids. I don't know what they are. But at least be honest when you ask the question.

What do you mean “be honest” - you are idiotic beyond measure.

I mean that, when you say that you "just want to keep all talk of sexual orientation away from little kids," that's not what you're actually asking for. Kids hear about straight sexual orientation all the time, including in elementary schools. You're asking for certain types of sexual orientation to be excluded. But that doesn't sound as good, so you don't phrase it that way.

LOL nope try again. Kids don’t hear about straight sexual orientation in elementary school. But apparently now they are required to hear about all sorts of sexual orientation. Sex. Sexual Orientation. Gay. Straight. It needs to stay out of the elementary school setting. It’s not age appropriate.

So, you're fine with a book being read in elementary school where Larla lives her life with mom and dad. And then another book where Darla lives her life with her dad and dad. As long as it's just about living their normal, every day lives without using the words straight or gay?

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Ok, let's assume that you're correct when you say "the whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now." (This ignores a slew of anti-trans legislation, book bans, shootings at gay clubs, but for kicks, let's pretend.) So? Valorizing the LGBTQ community isn't attacking another community. When the straight community isn't the center of the conversation, that isn't an attack or a put down. That's just "not being the center of the conversation" for a bit. It feels like oppression when you're used to special treatment, but it isn't.

Straight kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are for being straight by literally every cultural institution in the country, including schools.

This is just not true in any meaningful sense. There is no explicit messaging to straight kids or families praising them for that aspect of their lives. You're argument is, at best, that it is baked in because it is the default, but saying that something is the default is very different from something being expressly praised. [b]If it's the default, it is unremarkable, and nobody cares.

Spoken like someone who is in the default.

So? That means what? My view doesn't count? That's the problem. You think one group's views should be devalued, and another group's views should be praised. Other people feel differently.

Your view counts. I'm saying that your perspective 1) isn't the only one around and 2) is shaped by the fact that you're the default. You don't experience life where a part of who you are is outside of the default, so constant support feels unremarkable, like nobody cares. A fish doesn't know it's wet.

Also, how exactly is one group being devalued? All I see is claims that LGBTQ perspectives are being praised. Why is praising LGBTQ relationships by definition devaluing straight relationships? That seems like a weird thing to claim.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Ok, let's assume that you're correct when you say "the whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now." (This ignores a slew of anti-trans legislation, book bans, shootings at gay clubs, but for kicks, let's pretend.) So? Valorizing the LGBTQ community isn't attacking another community. When the straight community isn't the center of the conversation, that isn't an attack or a put down. That's just "not being the center of the conversation" for a bit. It feels like oppression when you're used to special treatment, but it isn't.

Straight kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are for being straight by literally every cultural institution in the country, including schools.

This is just not true in any meaningful sense. There is no explicit messaging to straight kids or families praising them for that aspect of their lives. You're argument is, at best, that it is baked in because it is the default, but saying that something is the default is very different from something being expressly praised. [b]If it's the default, it is unremarkable, and nobody cares.

Spoken like someone who is in the default.

So? That means what? My view doesn't count? That's the problem. You think one group's views should be devalued, and another group's views should be praised. Other people feel differently.

Your view counts. I'm saying that your perspective 1) isn't the only one around and 2) is shaped by the fact that you're the default. You don't experience life where a part of who you are is outside of the default, so constant support feels unremarkable, like nobody cares. A fish doesn't know it's wet.

Also, how exactly is one group being devalued? All I see is claims that LGBTQ perspectives are being praised. Why is praising LGBTQ relationships by definition devaluing straight relationships? That seems like a weird thing to claim.

Because by explicitly praising one but not the other means that the takeaway for kids is that one is special and better than than the other. This isn’t hard, if you have dealt with little kids for any amount of time.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Exactly. Are there ANY private schools in DC that aren’t parading sexual orientation issues to little kids? 😩

I don't know of any private schools that prohibit parading sexual orientation issues to little kids. They don't even ban books about families having babies or prohibit teachers from mentioning their spouses.

There may be schools prohibit parading certain types of sexual orientation issues to little kids. I don't know what they are. But at least be honest when you ask the question.

What do you mean “be honest” - you are idiotic beyond measure.

I mean that, when you say that you "just want to keep all talk of sexual orientation away from little kids," that's not what you're actually asking for. Kids hear about straight sexual orientation all the time, including in elementary schools. You're asking for certain types of sexual orientation to be excluded. But that doesn't sound as good, so you don't phrase it that way.

LOL nope try again. Kids don’t hear about straight sexual orientation in elementary school. But apparently now they are required to hear about all sorts of sexual orientation. Sex. Sexual Orientation. Gay. Straight. It needs to stay out of the elementary school setting. It’s not age appropriate.

So, you're fine with a book being read in elementary school where Larla lives her life with mom and dad. And then another book where Darla lives her life with her dad and dad. As long as it's just about living their normal, every day lives without using the words straight or gay?

YES

What about a book read in elementary school where Larla has a girlfriend?

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LOL nope try again. Kids don’t hear about straight sexual orientation in elementary school. But apparently now they are required to hear about all sorts of sexual orientation. Sex. Sexual Orientation. Gay. Straight. It needs to stay out of the elementary school setting. It’s not age appropriate.


So, you're fine with a book being read in elementary school where Larla lives her life with mom and dad. And then another book where Darla lives her life with her dad and dad. As long as it's just about living their normal, every day lives without using the words straight or gay?

Not the PP to which you are responding but yes, that's exactly what I think is appropriate, vs. an "Unapologetically Queer" poster in an elementary school classroom. And I also agree with the other PP who said that poster is fine for High school but not elementary. Why CAN'T the books, etc. just be representational of all different types of families and kids just grow up with it being the "normal" instead of the "now we have to OVER-represent because we have been under-represented for so long" mentality that a lot of identity politics seems to have now. My kids went to a DCPS elementary where there were a fair number of same sex families---they grew up surrounded by gay couples in our family friend group---"representation" was just an organic part of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Ok, let's assume that you're correct when you say "the whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now." (This ignores a slew of anti-trans legislation, book bans, shootings at gay clubs, but for kicks, let's pretend.) So? Valorizing the LGBTQ community isn't attacking another community. When the straight community isn't the center of the conversation, that isn't an attack or a put down. That's just "not being the center of the conversation" for a bit. It feels like oppression when you're used to special treatment, but it isn't.

Straight kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are for being straight by literally every cultural institution in the country, including schools.

This is just not true in any meaningful sense. There is no explicit messaging to straight kids or families praising them for that aspect of their lives. You're argument is, at best, that it is baked in because it is the default, but saying that something is the default is very different from something being expressly praised. [b]If it's the default, it is unremarkable, and nobody cares.

Spoken like someone who is in the default.

So? That means what? My view doesn't count? That's the problem. You think one group's views should be devalued, and another group's views should be praised. Other people feel differently.

Your view counts. I'm saying that your perspective 1) isn't the only one around and 2) is shaped by the fact that you're the default. You don't experience life where a part of who you are is outside of the default, so constant support feels unremarkable, like nobody cares. A fish doesn't know it's wet.

Also, how exactly is one group being devalued? All I see is claims that LGBTQ perspectives are being praised. Why is praising LGBTQ relationships by definition devaluing straight relationships? That seems like a weird thing to claim.

Because by explicitly praising one but not the other means that the takeaway for kids is that one is special and better than than the other. This isn’t hard, if you have dealt with little kids for any amount of time.

So kids shouldn't hear praise about women leaders for breaking gender barriers? Or Black pioneers in scientific achievement for overcoming racial prejudice?

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LOL nope try again. Kids don’t hear about straight sexual orientation in elementary school. But apparently now they are required to hear about all sorts of sexual orientation. Sex. Sexual Orientation. Gay. Straight. It needs to stay out of the elementary school setting. It’s not age appropriate.


So, you're fine with a book being read in elementary school where Larla lives her life with mom and dad. And then another book where Darla lives her life with her dad and dad. As long as it's just about living their normal, every day lives without using the words straight or gay?

Not the PP to which you are responding but yes, that's exactly what I think is appropriate, vs. an "Unapologetically Queer" poster in an elementary school classroom. And I also agree with the other PP who said that poster is fine for High school but not elementary. Why CAN'T the books, etc. just be representational of all different types of families and kids just grow up with it being the "normal" instead of the "now we have to OVER-represent because we have been under-represented for so long" mentality that a lot of identity politics seems to have now. My kids went to a DCPS elementary where there were a fair number of same sex families---they grew up surrounded by gay couples in our family friend group---"representation" was just an organic part of their lives.

If there is OVER-representation of LGBTQ characters now, then it's been going on for about 15 minutes. There's been OVER-representation of straight perspectives for about 1000 years. Calm down.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

This is just more progressive bs. Look around. The whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now. You are shunned for even questioning that. It’s a nice tactic, but doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And, regardless, none of the other kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are just because they are straight. That is the problem.

Ok, let's assume that you're correct when you say "the whole LGBTQ community is valorized everywhere all the time now." (This ignores a slew of anti-trans legislation, book bans, shootings at gay clubs, but for kicks, let's pretend.) So? Valorizing the LGBTQ community isn't attacking another community. When the straight community isn't the center of the conversation, that isn't an attack or a put down. That's just "not being the center of the conversation" for a bit. It feels like oppression when you're used to special treatment, but it isn't.

Straight kids at school are constantly being told how awesome they are for being straight by literally every cultural institution in the country, including schools.

This is just not true in any meaningful sense. There is no explicit messaging to straight kids or families praising them for that aspect of their lives. You're argument is, at best, that it is baked in because it is the default, but saying that something is the default is very different from something being expressly praised. [b]If it's the default, it is unremarkable, and nobody cares.

Spoken like someone who is in the default.

So? That means what? My view doesn't count? That's the problem. You think one group's views should be devalued, and another group's views should be praised. Other people feel differently.

Your view counts. I'm saying that your perspective 1) isn't the only one around and 2) is shaped by the fact that you're the default. You don't experience life where a part of who you are is outside of the default, so constant support feels unremarkable, like nobody cares. A fish doesn't know it's wet.

Also, how exactly is one group being devalued? All I see is claims that LGBTQ perspectives are being praised. Why is praising LGBTQ relationships by definition devaluing straight relationships? That seems like a weird thing to claim.

Because by explicitly praising one but not the other means that the takeaway for kids is that one is special and better than than the other. This isn’t hard, if you have dealt with little kids for any amount of time.

So kids shouldn't hear praise about women leaders for breaking gender barriers? Or Black pioneers in scientific achievement for overcoming racial prejudice?

False analogy. The LGBTQ stuff isn’t about anything people have achieved through their own effort and determination, but rather a characteristic about themselves that is what it is. It’s like putting up signs praising blue eyes because only 2 out of 20 kids in class have blue eyes.