Are We Talking about Hurricane Ian?

[Anonymous]

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Not really, people. There are only some parts of the country where risk to life and property is very high. Not all coastal areas have the same hurricane risk. The further up north you go, the smaller it is.

All the people who made the calculation that no winter + no taxes were worth a hurricane or two aren't happy right now in Fort Myers, or indeed in large swathes of the Florida.

California along earthquake fault lines and in wildfire and mudslides zones is very risky too.

Tornado alley in the midwest is actually less risky compared to those two.

Don't be angry that I'm pointing out the obvious. Just assess weather risk properly.

PP from Orlando. This is highly unusual for a hurricane to hit this hard in the middle of the state. Risk assessment only takes you so far. And don't be glib. We came here for a job transfer, just like what brought us to DC, not no winter and no taxes. Save your musings for a time when people aren't fearing for mass catastrophes. We're looking at mass flooding and it makes you feel good to pontificate about this on a message board? I mean, really. Don't be a dick. It's not that hard. I know it's sport here to make fun of Florida. Maybe wait until later if you absolutely must.

Ah yes, the “now is not the time to talk about this utterly foreseeable tragedy” deflection/avoidance. Usually reserved for mass shootings, but nice to see it branching out.

[Anonymous]

I never imagined the death toll would be this high.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hundreds-feared-dead-sheriff-says-26m-without-power-as-tropical-storm-ian-continues-to-wallop-florida-live-updates/ar-AA12nieD

A "once in 500 year event"? Weird how we keep getting these crazy hundred year or whatever storms....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had to turn the volume down on the TV and just read the captions—the national reporters they deploy to these disasters sound positively gleeful as they stand out in the whipping wind like idiots. I wish they’d let their local affiliates do the reporting, since they actually know something about the area.

I’ve been watching the Weather Channel today. No dramatic reporting just the weather.

Um, the Weather Channel pretty much originated the dramatic reporting PP was talking about.

Why do they still stick their reporters out in the wind and rain and in the path of debris? Imagine if it had been a flying piece of roofing iron.

Knowing Cantore, he did that willingly!

You know him? Tell us more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not really, people. There are only some parts of the country where risk to life and property is very high. Not all coastal areas have the same hurricane risk. The further up north you go, the smaller it is.

All the people who made the calculation that no winter + no taxes were worth a hurricane or two aren't happy right now in Fort Myers, or indeed in large swathes of the Florida.

California along earthquake fault lines and in wildfire and mudslides zones is very risky too.

Tornado alley in the midwest is actually less risky compared to those two.

Don't be angry that I'm pointing out the obvious. Just assess weather risk properly.

PP from Orlando. This is highly unusual for a hurricane to hit this hard in the middle of the state. Risk assessment only takes you so far. And don't be glib. We came here for a job transfer, just like what brought us to DC, not no winter and no taxes. Save your musings for a time when people aren't fearing for mass catastrophes. We're looking at mass flooding and it makes you feel good to pontificate about this on a message board? I mean, really. Don't be a dick. It's not that hard. I know it's sport here to make fun of Florida. Maybe wait until later if you absolutely must.

PP wasn’t making fun of anyone. S/he was pointing out that Florida, with its unique attributes, is terribly flood prone, especially so with global warming. You might have landed there for work, but you know many chose it for other reasons and you are well aware it’s a gamble. I hope you and yours are safe.

+1. I have family in Orlando that have been there for a very long time. For many reasons, it’s worth it for them to stay, but they readily admit that these sorts of risks have increased over the last couple decades. It was a big reason my aunt/uncle decided to downsize last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never imagined the death toll would be this high.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hundreds-feared-dead-sheriff-says-26m-without-power-as-tropical-storm-ian-continues-to-wallop-florida-live-updates/ar-AA12nieD

A "once in 500 year event"? Weird how we keep getting these crazy hundred year or whatever storms....

The sheriff of Lee county was irresponsible to make such a statement with no proof to back him up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was so much advanced warning. I do not understand all these submerged cars. Aren't people bright enough to do things like take your car to a parking structure and park on an upper floor? Or are people just counting on insurance?

There wasn't much warning for Naples and Ft Myers. The hurricane was due to hit Tampa Bay head on - then took a turn. People have had to react very quickly and don't have tons of options. How many upper floor parking structures do you think were available in the 12 hours before a cat 4 hurricane hit?

There was an envelope of uncertainty that encompassed SW FL in general, and forecasters were pretty clear that the effects from the storm would be felt wider than where it came ashore. You live in those areas and you need to be prepared, pay attention to forecasts, and have a plan for evacuation.

I suspect a lot of people who stayed were not well off and deciding evacuating was not worth the cost, or old and stubborn. My grandfather refused to evacuate for Charley even though my cousin offered to come pick them up and take them to their home further north.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not really, people. There are only some parts of the country where risk to life and property is very high. Not all coastal areas have the same hurricane risk. The further up north you go, the smaller it is.

All the people who made the calculation that no winter + no taxes were worth a hurricane or two aren't happy right now in Fort Myers, or indeed in large swathes of the Florida.

California along earthquake fault lines and in wildfire and mudslides zones is very risky too.

Tornado alley in the midwest is actually less risky compared to those two.

Don't be angry that I'm pointing out the obvious. Just assess weather risk properly.

PP from Orlando. This is highly unusual for a hurricane to hit this hard in the middle of the state. Risk assessment only takes you so far. And don't be glib. We came here for a job transfer, just like what brought us to DC, not no winter and no taxes. Save your musings for a time when people aren't fearing for mass catastrophes. We're looking at mass flooding and it makes you feel good to pontificate about this on a message board? I mean, really. Don't be a dick. It's not that hard. I know it's sport here to make fun of Florida. Maybe wait until later if you absolutely must.

PP wasn’t making fun of anyone. S/he was pointing out that Florida, with its unique attributes, is terribly flood prone, especially so with global warming. You might have landed there for work, but you know many chose it for other reasons and you are well aware it’s a gamble. I hope you and yours are safe.

+1. I have family in Orlando that have been there for a very long time. For many reasons, it’s worth it for them to stay, but they readily admit that these sorts of risks have increased over the last couple decades. It was a big reason my aunt/uncle decided to downsize last year.

And most of the people who live in Florida are on the coasts where the dangers are high enough (and it’s not like the middle of Florida is really all that far from the coasts). This Wapo article has great images of just how dense the population is on the coasts now. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/09/28/florida-population-growth-hurricane-ian-path/

Average elevation across the entire state is 100 ft, but look how low, on average, the coasts are: https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/maps/f5e4/Florida/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never imagined the death toll would be this high.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hundreds-feared-dead-sheriff-says-26m-without-power-as-tropical-storm-ian-continues-to-wallop-florida-live-updates/ar-AA12nieD

A "once in 500 year event"? Weird how we keep getting these crazy hundred year or whatever storms....

None of the main outlets are reporting any numbers because it would be irresponsible to do so without proof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never imagined the death toll would be this high.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hundreds-feared-dead-sheriff-says-26m-without-power-as-tropical-storm-ian-continues-to-wallop-florida-live-updates/ar-AA12nieD

A "once in 500 year event"? Weird how we keep getting these crazy hundred year or whatever storms....

None of the main outlets are reporting any numbers because it would be irresponsible to do so without proof.

They are all reporting what the Sheriff said, which states “hundreds.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never imagined the death toll would be this high.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hundreds-feared-dead-sheriff-says-26m-without-power-as-tropical-storm-ian-continues-to-wallop-florida-live-updates/ar-AA12nieD

A "once in 500 year event"? Weird how we keep getting these crazy hundred year or whatever storms....

None of the main outlets are reporting any numbers because it would be irresponsible to do so without proof.

They are all reporting what the Sheriff said, which states “hundreds.”

Does the sheriff know for certain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never imagined the death toll would be this high.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hundreds-feared-dead-sheriff-says-26m-without-power-as-tropical-storm-ian-continues-to-wallop-florida-live-updates/ar-AA12nieD

A "once in 500 year event"? Weird how we keep getting these crazy hundred year or whatever storms....

None of the main outlets are reporting any numbers because it would be irresponsible to do so without proof.

They are all reporting what the Sheriff said, which states “hundreds.”

Does the sheriff know for certain?

I don’t know but it seems obtuse to suggest they aren’t reporting numbers when they are…reporting reports of numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not really, people. There are only some parts of the country where risk to life and property is very high. Not all coastal areas have the same hurricane risk. The further up north you go, the smaller it is.

All the people who made the calculation that no winter + no taxes were worth a hurricane or two aren't happy right now in Fort Myers, or indeed in large swathes of the Florida.

California along earthquake fault lines and in wildfire and mudslides zones is very risky too.

Tornado alley in the midwest is actually less risky compared to those two.

Don't be angry that I'm pointing out the obvious. Just assess weather risk properly.

PP from Orlando. This is highly unusual for a hurricane to hit this hard in the middle of the state. Risk assessment only takes you so far. And don't be glib. We came here for a job transfer, just like what brought us to DC, not no winter and no taxes. Save your musings for a time when people aren't fearing for mass catastrophes. We're looking at mass flooding and it makes you feel good to pontificate about this on a message board? I mean, really. Don't be a dick. It's not that hard. I know it's sport here to make fun of Florida. Maybe wait until later if you absolutely must.

Ah yes, the “now is not the time to talk about this utterly foreseeable tragedy” deflection/avoidance. Usually reserved for mass shootings, but nice to see it branching out.

Ah yes, the ones who just have to be a dick. Certainly foreseeable response, glad to see DCUM doesn't disappoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was so much advanced warning. I do not understand all these submerged cars. Aren't people bright enough to do things like take your car to a parking structure and park on an upper floor? Or are people just counting on insurance?

I used to live in Miami in a condo. This was my plan - I would pull into the mall’s parking garage and head for an upper floor. However, when I went to do this, the police has barricade the parking garage and my oh-so-smug plan went out the window. I ended up having to leave my car on the flat parking lot like everyone else and just hope for the best. My friend’s parking garage was underground. Sometimes what seems good from the comfort of your couch doesn’t pan out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was so much advanced warning. I do not understand all these submerged cars. Aren't people bright enough to do things like take your car to a parking structure and park on an upper floor? Or are people just counting on insurance?

I used to live in Miami in a condo. This was my plan - I would pull into the mall’s parking garage and head for an upper floor. However, when I went to do this, the police has barricade the parking garage and my oh-so-smug plan went out the window. I ended up having to leave my car on the flat parking lot like everyone else and just hope for the best. My friend’s parking garage was underground. Sometimes what seems good from the comfort of your couch doesn’t pan out.

There aren’t that many parking garages IN Florida even. Fort Myers doesn’t strike me as a major metropolitan area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never imagined the death toll would be this high.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hundreds-feared-dead-sheriff-says-26m-without-power-as-tropical-storm-ian-continues-to-wallop-florida-live-updates/ar-AA12nieD

A "once in 500 year event"? Weird how we keep getting these crazy hundred year or whatever storms....

None of the main outlets are reporting any numbers because it would be irresponsible to do so without proof.

They are all reporting what the Sheriff said, which states “hundreds.”

Does the sheriff know for certain?

I don’t know but it seems obtuse to suggest they aren’t reporting numbers when they are…reporting reports of numbers.

The sheriff is now backtracking.