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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

Ask Neymar if it hurt his development or gave him bad habits.

Yes, I have heard the "bad habits" comment from a few coaches, and the common denominator is that they don't understand futsal or know how to coach it. We found it to be one of the best things our kids did to develop good foot skills and quick reaction times. Plus, it's so fun to watch when you have skilled players on both teams!

I'm the OP on this. I'm not as concerned about the bad habits. I just brought up the "insisting" to use the sole to receive and stopping it dead. I do see that transfer to the big field in situations where they shouldn't do that. My bigger concern is using the training time to work on patterns, rotations, etc. that doesn't really transfer to the outdoor game. Or does it and I'm just ignorant.

Stopping the ball with sole allows the player to quickly move the ball in any direction. It is a great ability and addition to have in outdoor game as well as it improves ball skill and movement greatly. A good player with great touch will be able to stop the ball in a myriad of ways.

I do agree with you on too much focus on formation (though kids definitely need the basics taught$.

It's important not to let the system take away your creativity. If everybody becomes too robotic then that’s not going to lead to good futsal. Advice: “there are a lot of tactics to think about in futsal, but don’t forget about doing your own things.” Make sure that your own individual skills and talents don’t get drowned by the demands of the team. When you get the opportunity, make sure you show what you can do.

I just had this talk with my U12 player who was In the back the entire game. If you have a channel use it. When you are down by so many points and your forwards are doing shit for finishing--you have nothing to lose anyways. He was very frustrated making the great thru balls and crosses and nobody connecting. F@ck it: you have the skill go. I know once the points staring showing up on the Board my tactical coach got off my ass.

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

Ask Neymar if it hurt his development or gave him bad habits.

Yes, I have heard the "bad habits" comment from a few coaches, and the common denominator is that they don't understand futsal or know how to coach it. We found it to be one of the best things our kids did to develop good foot skills and quick reaction times. Plus, it's so fun to watch when you have skilled players on both teams!

I'm the OP on this. I'm not as concerned about the bad habits. I just brought up the "insisting" to use the sole to receive and stopping it dead. I do see that transfer to the big field in situations where they shouldn't do that. My bigger concern is using the training time to work on patterns, rotations, etc. that doesn't really transfer to the outdoor game. Or does it and I'm just ignorant.

Personally, I find that higher end futsal loses some semblance to the bigger game. I feel the benefit of futsal is the quick pace and an element of adding street soccer to the game. When the game liberates kids to play creatively that is the benefit. But, like anything we can't have nice things and tend to over coach the game and start worrying about futsal tactics that are mostly only relevant to futsal.

I don't care if it is simple indoor soccer or futsal or 3v3. When it is additional soccer little coaching should be done beyond technical aspects. Let the kids just play a fast paced game and have fun.

Futsal does require different technical tools to keep the ball in play but beyond that, unless you want to be professional futsal player, who cares about the technical side.

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

Ask Neymar if it hurt his development or gave him bad habits.

Yes, I have heard the "bad habits" comment from a few coaches, and the common denominator is that they don't understand futsal or know how to coach it. We found it to be one of the best things our kids did to develop good foot skills and quick reaction times. Plus, it's so fun to watch when you have skilled players on both teams!

I'm the OP on this. I'm not as concerned about the bad habits. I just brought up the "insisting" to use the sole to receive and stopping it dead. I do see that transfer to the big field in situations where they shouldn't do that. My bigger concern is using the training time to work on patterns, rotations, etc. that doesn't really transfer to the outdoor game. Or does it and I'm just ignorant.

Stopping the ball with sole allows the player to quickly move the ball in any direction. It is a great ability and addition to have in outdoor game as well as it improves ball skill and movement greatly. A good player with great touch will be able to stop the ball in a myriad of ways.

I do agree with you on too much focus on formation (though kids definitely need the basics taught$.

[/b][/i]It's important not to let the system take away your creativity. If everybody becomes too robotic then that’s not going to lead to good futsal. [i]Advice: “there are a lot of tactics to think about in futsal, but don’t forget about doing your own things.” Make sure that your own individual skills and talents don’t get drowned by the demands of the team. [b]When you get the opportunity, make sure you show what you can do.

I just had this talk with my U12 player who was In the back the entire game. If you have a channel use it. When you are down by so many points and your forwards are doing shit for finishing--you have nothing to lose anyways. He was very frustrated making the great thru balls and crosses and nobody connecting. F@ck it: you have the skill go. I know once the points staring showing up on the Board my tactical coach got off my ass.

That is so important. Futsal was developed as a flashy sport, mirroring street soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

Ask Neymar if it hurt his development or gave him bad habits.

Yes, I have heard the "bad habits" comment from a few coaches, and the common denominator is that they don't understand futsal or know how to coach it. We found it to be one of the best things our kids did to develop good foot skills and quick reaction times. Plus, it's so fun to watch when you have skilled players on both teams!

I'm the OP on this. I'm not as concerned about the bad habits. I just brought up the "insisting" to use the sole to receive and stopping it dead. I do see that transfer to the big field in situations where they shouldn't do that. My bigger concern is using the training time to work on patterns, rotations, etc. that doesn't really transfer to the outdoor game. Or does it and I'm just ignorant.

Agree 1000%!!

The benefits of futsal compared to outdoor are increased frequency of game actions with reduced time & space and very high technical demands.

You get these benefits by actually playing futsal - not doing repetitive drills and tactical passing patterns with no pressure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

My sons do both. They are at Club with a fantastic Futsal program. My child has a weeknight Futsal practice and the Club has its own league. They have already played in tournaments, etc. I hated Futsal at our old Club where it was a short program with zero training and at a crappy facility we had to drive 40 min to for a team of 12...very little playing time for all. The court was literally peeling apart in places. The coaches did not teach any Futsal skill--but kids just showed up and played. The ball was out of bounds constantly. It was kick ball.

My kids are now learning Futsal the correct Brazilian way. Even the U9 team has the ball almost never go out of play because the kids are so fantastic at the short pass combos. Their skill and ball handling has grown immensely. I see it greatly adding to their footwork and ball control.

My kids also play one game a week on a turf indoor field with walls. It is a Rec team and sheer fun. This gives them the chance to play any position they want and try things out without being "coached". My kid that gets stuck in the back a lot plays forward and works a lot on finishing. It is a larger field and mirrors more outdoor style...with the added thrill of hockey slams against the wall and wall ball give and gos.

What is the Brazilian way? Also, do they do rotations and patterns or a lot of "free play" on the court at this club?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

My sons do both. They are at Club with a fantastic Futsal program. My child has a weeknight Futsal practice and the Club has its own league. They have already played in tournaments, etc. I hated Futsal at our old Club where it was a short program with zero training and at a crappy facility we had to drive 40 min to for a team of 12...very little playing time for all. The court was literally peeling apart in places. The coaches did not teach any Futsal skill--but kids just showed up and played. The ball was out of bounds constantly. It was kick ball.

My kids are now learning Futsal the correct Brazilian way. Even the U9 team has the ball almost never go out of play because the kids are so fantastic at the short pass combos. Their skill and ball handling has grown immensely. I see it greatly adding to their footwork and ball control.

My kids also play one game a week on a turf indoor field with walls. It is a Rec team and sheer fun. This gives them the chance to play any position they want and try things out without being "coached". My kid that gets stuck in the back a lot plays forward and works a lot on finishing. It is a larger field and mirrors more outdoor style...with the added thrill of hockey slams against the wall and wall ball give and gos.

What is the Brazilian way? Also, do they do rotations and patterns or a lot of "free play" on the court at this club?

Both. Just like at Brazilian and Spanish clubs. You are high if you think Futsal pro players do zero drills or anything but "free play".

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

My sons do both. They are at Club with a fantastic Futsal program. My child has a weeknight Futsal practice and the Club has its own league. They have already played in tournaments, etc. I hated Futsal at our old Club where it was a short program with zero training and at a crappy facility we had to drive 40 min to for a team of 12...very little playing time for all. The court was literally peeling apart in places. The coaches did not teach any Futsal skill--but kids just showed up and played. The ball was out of bounds constantly. It was kick ball.

My kids are now learning Futsal the correct Brazilian way. Even the U9 team has the ball almost never go out of play because the kids are so fantastic at the short pass combos. Their skill and ball handling has grown immensely. I see it greatly adding to their footwork and ball control.

My kids also play one game a week on a turf indoor field with walls. It is a Rec team and sheer fun. This gives them the chance to play any position they want and try things out without being "coached". My kid that gets stuck in the back a lot plays forward and works a lot on finishing. It is a larger field and mirrors more outdoor style...with the added thrill of hockey slams against the wall and wall ball give and gos.

What is the Brazilian way? Also, do they do rotations and patterns or a lot of "free play" on the court at this club?

Both. Just like at Brazilian and Spanish clubs. You are high if you think Futsal pro players do zero drills or anything but "free play".

Hmm. Your post would make much more sense if I was asking about what a pro futsal training session looks like. However, I was asking what the U9s, U10s or whatever do at this poster's club and what the Brazilian way is for these age groups. Thanks for sharing though.

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

My sons do both. They are at Club with a fantastic Futsal program. My child has a weeknight Futsal practice and the Club has its own league. They have already played in tournaments, etc. I hated Futsal at our old Club where it was a short program with zero training and at a crappy facility we had to drive 40 min to for a team of 12...very little playing time for all. The court was literally peeling apart in places. The coaches did not teach any Futsal skill--but kids just showed up and played. The ball was out of bounds constantly. It was kick ball.

My kids are now learning Futsal the correct Brazilian way. Even the U9 team has the ball almost never go out of play because the kids are so fantastic at the short pass combos. Their skill and ball handling has grown immensely. I see it greatly adding to their footwork and ball control.

My kids also play one game a week on a turf indoor field with walls. It is a Rec team and sheer fun. This gives them the chance to play any position they want and try things out without being "coached". My kid that gets stuck in the back a lot plays forward and works a lot on finishing. It is a larger field and mirrors more outdoor style...with the added thrill of hockey slams against the wall and wall ball give and gos.

What is the Brazilian way? Also, do they do rotations and patterns or a lot of "free play" on the court at this club?

Both. Just like at Brazilian and Spanish clubs. You are high if you think Futsal pro players do zero drills or anything but "free play".

Hmm. Your post would make much more sense if I was asking about what a pro futsal training session looks like. However, I was asking what the U9s, U10s or whatever do at this poster's club and what the Brazilian way is for these age groups. Thanks for sharing though.

OF COURSE these U9/U10s do rotations and patterns and skill work. You can't expect an American 8-year old to just come to Futsal and instinctively be able to stop the tiny ball with the sole of his/her foot. They have never encountered that. They also need to have some concept of passing and movement unless you want to see the ball out of bounds constantly.

Our club has an 75 minute Futsal practice. The first 45-55 minutes are various drills (passing rotations, 1 v1, 2 v1, 3 v2, passing rotations with finishing shot, ball skill) to enhance Futsal and the last 20-30 minutes are full-sided Futsal scrimmaging where anything goes.

They have improved immensely since November. These 8-years olds play better than most 12-13 year olds I've seen. It is exciting to watch their give and gos and fast decisions. They still have wonderful footwork, used when needed. That has gotten better given the quickness needed in Futsal and the use of a smaller, heavier ball.

I used to be at a Club where we paid $3k+/year for 'free scrimmaging' for 90 minutes straight. WTF is that ?? The kids can just do that at a park/pick-up and you don't need a Coach. In fact, in that scenario, it's better when you don't have a Coach!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

My sons do both. They are at Club with a fantastic Futsal program. My child has a weeknight Futsal practice and the Club has its own league. They have already played in tournaments, etc. I hated Futsal at our old Club where it was a short program with zero training and at a crappy facility we had to drive 40 min to for a team of 12...very little playing time for all. The court was literally peeling apart in places. The coaches did not teach any Futsal skill--but kids just showed up and played. The ball was out of bounds constantly. It was kick ball.

My kids are now learning Futsal the correct Brazilian way. Even the U9 team has the ball almost never go out of play because the kids are so fantastic at the short pass combos. Their skill and ball handling has grown immensely. I see it greatly adding to their footwork and ball control.

My kids also play one game a week on a turf indoor field with walls. It is a Rec team and sheer fun. This gives them the chance to play any position they want and try things out without being "coached". My kid that gets stuck in the back a lot plays forward and works a lot on finishing. It is a larger field and mirrors more outdoor style...with the added thrill of hockey slams against the wall and wall ball give and gos.

What is the Brazilian way? Also, do they do rotations and patterns or a lot of "free play" on the court at this club?

Both. Just like at Brazilian and Spanish clubs. You are high if you think Futsal pro players do zero drills or anything but "free play".

Hmm. Your post would make much more sense if I was asking about what a pro futsal training session looks like. However, I was asking what the U9s, U10s or whatever do at this poster's club and what the Brazilian way is for these age groups. Thanks for sharing though.

OF COURSE these U9/U10s do rotations and patterns and skill work. You can't expect an American 8-year old to just come to Futsal and instinctively be able to stop the tiny ball with the sole of his/her foot. They have never encountered that. They also need to have some concept of passing and movement unless you want to see the ball out of bounds constantly.

Our club has an 75 minute Futsal practice. The first 45-55 minutes are various drills (passing rotations, 1 v1, 2 v1, 3 v2, passing rotations with finishing shot, ball skill) to enhance Futsal and the last 20-30 minutes are full-sided Futsal scrimmaging where anything goes.

They have improved immensely since November. These 8-years olds play better than most 12-13 year olds I've seen. It is exciting to watch their give and gos and fast decisions. They still have wonderful footwork, used when needed. That has gotten better given the quickness needed in Futsal and the use of a smaller, heavier ball.

I used to be at a Club where we paid $3k+/year for 'free scrimmaging' for 90 minutes straight. WTF is that ?? The kids can just do that at a park/pick-up and you don't need a Coach. In fact, in that scenario, it's better when you don't have a Coach!

An overabundance on tactics at a young age can achieve results but it is short lived success. At that age teaching the skills combined with free scrimmaging is a better long term approach. It is all in balance.

There is also nothing wrong with a club providing stress free, fun environment where the kids simply play futsal either especially if a club is trying to instill a passion for the variety of soccer games. That wasn't for you and I respect that. However, the objective of winter futsal does not have to be to make every kid a national team player. Why can't it just be fun and loose for the kids? Why does it need to be "trained"? Winter is supposed to be the "off" season where kids can recover, play other sports if they want. Does everything have to be about getting your kid ahead? If you make everything training you tend to train the fun out of it.

I'm glad your new team is amazing at futsal now though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

My sons do both. They are at Club with a fantastic Futsal program. My child has a weeknight Futsal practice and the Club has its own league. They have already played in tournaments, etc. I hated Futsal at our old Club where it was a short program with zero training and at a crappy facility we had to drive 40 min to for a team of 12...very little playing time for all. The court was literally peeling apart in places. The coaches did not teach any Futsal skill--but kids just showed up and played. The ball was out of bounds constantly. It was kick ball.

My kids are now learning Futsal the correct Brazilian way. Even the U9 team has the ball almost never go out of play because the kids are so fantastic at the short pass combos. Their skill and ball handling has grown immensely. I see it greatly adding to their footwork and ball control.

My kids also play one game a week on a turf indoor field with walls. It is a Rec team and sheer fun. This gives them the chance to play any position they want and try things out without being "coached". My kid that gets stuck in the back a lot plays forward and works a lot on finishing. It is a larger field and mirrors more outdoor style...with the added thrill of hockey slams against the wall and wall ball give and gos.

What is the Brazilian way? Also, do they do rotations and patterns or a lot of "free play" on the court at this club?

Both. Just like at Brazilian and Spanish clubs. You are high if you think Futsal pro players do zero drills or anything but "free play".

Hmm. Your post would make much more sense if I was asking about what a pro futsal training session looks like. However, I was asking what the U9s, U10s or whatever do at this poster's club and what the Brazilian way is for these age groups. Thanks for sharing though.

OF COURSE these U9/U10s do rotations and patterns and skill work. You can't expect an American 8-year old to just come to Futsal and instinctively be able to stop the tiny ball with the sole of his/her foot. They have never encountered that. They also need to have some concept of passing and movement unless you want to see the ball out of bounds constantly.

Our club has an 75 minute Futsal practice. The first 45-55 minutes are various drills (passing rotations, 1 v1, 2 v1, 3 v2, passing rotations with finishing shot, ball skill) to enhance Futsal and the last 20-30 minutes are full-sided Futsal scrimmaging where anything goes.

They have improved immensely since November. These 8-years olds play better than most 12-13 year olds I've seen. It is exciting to watch their give and gos and fast decisions. They still have wonderful footwork, used when needed. That has gotten better given the quickness needed in Futsal and the use of a smaller, heavier ball.

I used to be at a Club where we paid $3k+/year for 'free scrimmaging' for 90 minutes straight. WTF is that ?? The kids can just do that at a park/pick-up and you don't need a Coach. In fact, in that scenario, it's better when you don't have a Coach!

This sounds great to me. I wish our club had a program like this. Do you mind sharing the club name?

[Anonymous]

I know right, shocking how great 8 year olds can look against other 8 year olds.

Pump the brakes and put a little perspective on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I once loved futsal. Improves dribbling/ball control. It's very fast, fast decisions, etc. It was outdoor soccer on a basketball court. But now the training sessions are more tactical - focusing on 2-2 formations and the rotations/patterns. I'm not sure how much I like receiving with the sole and stopping it dead. I'm wondering if it's as good for a kid development as I once thought. Does futsal create any bad habits for outdoor soccer? We've never done indoor (with walls). I'm starting to think that indoor might be a better use of his time than learning futsal tactics and things not so related to outdoor soccer. Any thoughts?

My sons do both. They are at Club with a fantastic Futsal program. My child has a weeknight Futsal practice and the Club has its own league. They have already played in tournaments, etc. I hated Futsal at our old Club where it was a short program with zero training and at a crappy facility we had to drive 40 min to for a team of 12...very little playing time for all. The court was literally peeling apart in places. The coaches did not teach any Futsal skill--but kids just showed up and played. The ball was out of bounds constantly. It was kick ball.

My kids are now learning Futsal the correct Brazilian way. Even the U9 team has the ball almost never go out of play because the kids are so fantastic at the short pass combos. Their skill and ball handling has grown immensely. I see it greatly adding to their footwork and ball control.

My kids also play one game a week on a turf indoor field with walls. It is a Rec team and sheer fun. This gives them the chance to play any position they want and try things out without being "coached". My kid that gets stuck in the back a lot plays forward and works a lot on finishing. It is a larger field and mirrors more outdoor style...with the added thrill of hockey slams against the wall and wall ball give and gos.

What is the Brazilian way? Also, do they do rotations and patterns or a lot of "free play" on the court at this club?

Both. Just like at Brazilian and Spanish clubs. You are high if you think Futsal pro players do zero drills or anything but "free play".

Hmm. Your post would make much more sense if I was asking about what a pro futsal training session looks like. However, I was asking what the U9s, U10s or whatever do at this poster's club and what the Brazilian way is for these age groups. Thanks for sharing though.

OF COURSE these U9/U10s do rotations and patterns and skill work. You can't expect an American 8-year old to just come to Futsal and instinctively be able to stop the tiny ball with the sole of his/her foot. They have never encountered that. They also need to have some concept of passing and movement unless you want to see the ball out of bounds constantly.

Our club has an 75 minute Futsal practice. The first 45-55 minutes are various drills (passing rotations, 1 v1, 2 v1, 3 v2, passing rotations with finishing shot, ball skill) to enhance Futsal and the last 20-30 minutes are full-sided Futsal scrimmaging where anything goes.

They have improved immensely since November. These 8-years olds play better than most 12-13 year olds I've seen. It is exciting to watch their give and gos and fast decisions. They still have wonderful footwork, used when needed. That has gotten better given the quickness needed in Futsal and the use of a smaller, heavier ball.

I used to be at a Club where we paid $3k+/year for 'free scrimmaging' for 90 minutes straight. WTF is that ?? The kids can just do that at a park/pick-up and you don't need a Coach. In fact, in that scenario, it's better when you don't have a Coach!

Yes, of course there is time spent on skills training - passing, receiving, dribbling, shooting, etc. I meant "free play" to be not using tactics, formations, and rotations specific to futsal. Not free play as in ... unstructured, do-what-you-want soccer. With that said, do you find that the futsal tactics, patterns, and rotations being taught at these young ages improve their outside game. I commented that I'm not so sure this is the best use of their training time as my son does futsal to help his outside game, not to become a pro futsal player.

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^^^you don't sound like you have a grasp on soccer or Futsal.

Tactical involves ball skill and control.

It's not all or nothing.

Yes--it greatly aids in the outdoor game. In fact, many of the same skills/drills are directly applicable to outdoor play on a larger scale.

Wth do you think is going on?? Do you mean running without a ball???

Passing and first touch are all part of the drills---as is 1v1, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^you don't sound like you have a grasp on soccer or Futsal.

Tactical involves ball skill and control.

It's not all or nothing.

Yes--it greatly aids in the outdoor game. In fact, many of the same skills/drills are directly applicable to outdoor play on a larger scale.

Wth do you think is going on?? Do you mean running without a ball???

Passing and first touch are all part of the drills---as is 1v1, etc.

Technical is skill and ball control. Tactical is team play that includes player formations and movement.

That is not what the PP implied. There is a thin line where futsal tactics start to drastically differ from the outdoor game. To cross over that line changes the return on investment so to speak in regards to the outdoor game. The gains become more related to futsal and less to soccer. Futsal technical proficiency translates very well to soccer more than futsal tactical play.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^you don't sound like you have a grasp on soccer or Futsal.

Tactical involves ball skill and control.

It's not all or nothing.

Yes--it greatly aids in the outdoor game. In fact, many of the same skills/drills are directly applicable to outdoor play on a larger scale.

Wth do you think is going on?? Do you mean running without a ball???

Passing and first touch are all part of the drills---as is 1v1, etc.

Technical is skill and ball control. Tactical is team play that includes player formations and movement.

That is not what the PP implied. There is a thin line where futsal tactics start to drastically differ from the outdoor game. To cross over that line changes the return on investment so to speak in regards to the outdoor game. The gains become more related to futsal and less to soccer. Futsal technical proficiency translates very well to soccer more than futsal tactical play.

This is a very thoughtful response to a comment that didn't deserve it. I'm impressed by your patience.