Scott Galloway how to save teenage boys.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

Mhmmm, sure. And the "evidence" for the claim posted is showing that men teach in harder-to-staff roles and work more supplemental hours. So not the same work. Curious how that happens so frequently. When "study" after "study" fails to bear the point out, it would suggest that evidence for such broad claims like "the pay gap is across the board" does not exist. You do you, though.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

Mhmmm, sure. And the "evidence" for the claim posted is showing that men teach in harder-to-staff roles and work more supplemental hours. So not the same work. Curious how that happens so frequently. When "study" after "study" fails to bear the point out, it would suggest that evidence for such broad claims like "the pay gap is across the board" does not exist. You do you, though.

How can they bear it out when it's just like....your feelings and total and utter BS?

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

Mhmmm, sure. And the "evidence" for the claim posted is showing that men teach in harder-to-staff roles and work more supplemental hours. So not the same work. Curious how that happens so frequently. When "study" after "study" fails to bear the point out, it would suggest that evidence for such broad claims like "the pay gap is across the board" does not exist. You do you, though.

I’m not the PP but the studies I just read out of curiosity did state that the majority of the pay gap was associated with supplemental hours.

However, as suggested by another poster, I read a number of law suits that were settled in favor of the women bc of pay gaps despite same job/same duties or even with the women having a higher level job and higher level duties. So maybe the answer isn’t clear cut either way.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

NP

I can’t find a study that breaks out preschool. They’re all lumped together with other teachers

https://www.k12dive.com/news/gender-wage-gap-teachers/645191/#:~:text=Dive%20Brief:,and%20$0%20for%20merit%20pay.

https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-problem-for-teachers-too/2023/03#:~:text=Female%20teachers%20make%20roughly%20$2%2C200,school%20poverty%20and%20teacher%20experience.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/03/13/equal-pay-day-teacher-pay-gap-women-earn-less/11444148002/

Same hours, huh?

Same hours, same subject, same education, same everything

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

NP

I can’t find a study that breaks out preschool. They’re all lumped together with other teachers

https://www.k12dive.com/news/gender-wage-gap-teachers/645191/#:~:text=Dive%20Brief:,and%20$0%20for%20merit%20pay.

https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-problem-for-teachers-too/2023/03#:~:text=Female%20teachers%20make%20roughly%20$2%2C200,school%20poverty%20and%20teacher%20experience.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2023/03/13/equal-pay-day-teacher-pay-gap-women-earn-less/11444148002/

Same hours, huh?

Same hours, same subject, same education, same everything

Hmmm…I just read it. It said it’s largely because of supplemental work that men take on that the women don’t. Not that there isn’t some discrimination there but it’s not the same hours.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

Mhmmm, sure. And the "evidence" for the claim posted is showing that men teach in harder-to-staff roles and work more supplemental hours. So not the same work. Curious how that happens so frequently. When "study" after "study" fails to bear the point out, it would suggest that evidence for such broad claims like "the pay gap is across the board" does not exist. You do you, though.

I’m not the PP but the studies I just read out of curiosity did state that the majority of the pay gap was associated with supplemental hours.

However, as suggested by another poster, I read a number of law suits that were settled in favor of the women bc of pay gaps despite same job/same duties or even with the women having a higher level job and higher level duties. So maybe the answer isn’t clear cut either way.

This is a fair and reasonable take, and much less sweeping than other claims. Things always get messy once you get past the agendas and propaganda. A settlement is not always evidence of wrongdoing though; sometimes it's just a cost of doing business for the company. You can always find sensationalized stories and lawsuits:

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700288695/google-pay-study-finds-its-underpaying-men-for-some-jobs

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.639423/gov.uscourts.nysd.639423.1.0.pdf

If you want another study, here is one that suggests that for early childcare workers, women actually outearn men on an hourly basis.

"Although women face pay disparities relative to men in the overall workforce, table 10 suggests that women who are early childhood educators earn more than their male colleagues. Across all early childhood educator populations, women earn an average of $15.33 per hour, compared with men’s
$13.96 per hour. One factor driving this disparity is that a higher share of males are educators coded as child care workers rather than educators coded as preschool teachers. Because child care workers are paid less than preschool teachers, this lowers the average wage among men. Women who work in early care and education earn more than men as well, although the gap is smaller."

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/97676/early_childhood_educator_compensation_final_2.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

What is this "we" business? Some of us are parents to boys and interested in this. You don't speak for us.

So what’s his father doing?

Uh, the same thing I do?

Do you think your husband brings something different to the table with your boys than you do?

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

Mhmmm, sure. And the "evidence" for the claim posted is showing that men teach in harder-to-staff roles and work more supplemental hours. So not the same work. Curious how that happens so frequently. When "study" after "study" fails to bear the point out, it would suggest that evidence for such broad claims like "the pay gap is across the board" does not exist. You do you, though.

I’m not the PP but the studies I just read out of curiosity did state that the majority of the pay gap was associated with supplemental hours.

However, as suggested by another poster, I read a number of law suits that were settled in favor of the women bc of pay gaps despite same job/same duties or even with the women having a higher level job and higher level duties. So maybe the answer isn’t clear cut either way.

~ $3,200 / year was not due to supplemental hours.

The other $4,000/ year was due to supplemental hours but those supplemental hours are not offered to women, like football coach and the class the football coach teaches is something like study hall instead of AP Literature like the women teach.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

Mhmmm, sure. And the "evidence" for the claim posted is showing that men teach in harder-to-staff roles and work more supplemental hours. So not the same work. Curious how that happens so frequently. When "study" after "study" fails to bear the point out, it would suggest that evidence for such broad claims like "the pay gap is across the board" does not exist. You do you, though.

I’m not the PP but the studies I just read out of curiosity did state that the majority of the pay gap was associated with supplemental hours.

However, as suggested by another poster, I read a number of law suits that were settled in favor of the women bc of pay gaps despite same job/same duties or even with the women having a higher level job and higher level duties. So maybe the answer isn’t clear cut either way.

This is a fair and reasonable take, and much less sweeping than other claims. Things always get messy once you get past the agendas and propaganda. A settlement is not always evidence of wrongdoing though; sometimes it's just a cost of doing business for the company. You can always find sensationalized stories and lawsuits:

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700288695/google-pay-study-finds-its-underpaying-men-for-some-jobs

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.639423/gov.uscourts.nysd.639423.1.0.pdf

If you want another study, here is one that suggests that for early childcare workers, women actually outearn men on an hourly basis.

"Although women face pay disparities relative to men in the overall workforce, table 10 suggests that women who are early childhood educators earn more than their male colleagues. Across all early childhood educator populations, women earn an average of $15.33 per hour, compared with men’s
$13.96 per hour. One factor driving this disparity is that a higher share of males are educators coded as child care workers rather than educators coded as preschool teachers. Because child care workers are paid less than preschool teachers, this lowers the average wage among men. Women who work in early care and education earn more than men as well, although the gap is smaller."

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/97676/early_childhood_educator_compensation_final_2.pdf

The pay inequity study that found that Google was underpaying some men doesn’t mean they were underpaying them compared to women. They could’ve been underpaying them based on location meaning they were getting the same pay as somebody in Philly but they were working in New York.

Google equity is based on job, experience, and location. So that wasn’t exactly paying inequity of men versus women.

It just showed that some men were paid less than their peers who could’ve been in the same job, experience, and location.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

Mhmmm, sure. And the "evidence" for the claim posted is showing that men teach in harder-to-staff roles and work more supplemental hours. So not the same work. Curious how that happens so frequently. When "study" after "study" fails to bear the point out, it would suggest that evidence for such broad claims like "the pay gap is across the board" does not exist. You do you, though.

I’m not the PP but the studies I just read out of curiosity did state that the majority of the pay gap was associated with supplemental hours.

However, as suggested by another poster, I read a number of law suits that were settled in favor of the women bc of pay gaps despite same job/same duties or even with the women having a higher level job and higher level duties. So maybe the answer isn’t clear cut either way.

This is a fair and reasonable take, and much less sweeping than other claims. Things always get messy once you get past the agendas and propaganda. A settlement is not always evidence of wrongdoing though; sometimes it's just a cost of doing business for the company. You can always find sensationalized stories and lawsuits:

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700288695/google-pay-study-finds-its-underpaying-men-for-some-jobs

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.639423/gov.uscourts.nysd.639423.1.0.pdf

If you want another study, here is one that suggests that for early childcare workers, women actually outearn men on an hourly basis.

"Although women face pay disparities relative to men in the overall workforce, table 10 suggests that women who are early childhood educators earn more than their male colleagues. Across all early childhood educator populations, women earn an average of $15.33 per hour, compared with men’s
$13.96 per hour. One factor driving this disparity is that a higher share of males are educators coded as child care workers rather than educators coded as preschool teachers. Because child care workers are paid less than preschool teachers, this lowers the average wage among men. Women who work in early care and education earn more than men as well, although the gap is smaller."

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/97676/early_childhood_educator_compensation_final_2.pdf

The pay inequity study that found that Google was underpaying some men doesn’t mean they were underpaying them compared to women. They could’ve been underpaying them based on location meaning they were getting the same pay as somebody in Philly but they were working in New York.

Google equity is based on job, experience, and location. So that wasn’t exactly paying inequity of men versus women.

It just showed that some men were paid less than their peers who could’ve been in the same job, experience, and location.

So you know better than the company itself?

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

Step up and be their parent and not their friend.

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Anonymous wrote:26 pages and not a lot learned on how to save teenage boys. Just what to complain about. What are the solutions?

I think it’s up to men to solve, not women. We’re busy doing everything else.

I get it. Punching down is hard work.

Women are punching down on men now? Does that mean we are being paid equally?

In the same professions, aren’t we paid equally? I’ve not had a situation where I was paid less than my male colleagues or where they were promoted over me. I’m in the defense industry. Maybe that matters.

But are female pre-school teachers paid the same as male welders? No. But females can be welders too.

No. The pay gap is across the board. The male preschool teacher is statistically making more.

Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out.

What evidence?

How about you cite evidence that male preschool teachers with the same qualifications working the same hours make more than female teachers.

I didn't make the claim about pre-school teachers. Why can't you just answer the question and tell us what evidence you have?

Then why don’t you ask the person making the affirmative claim to substantiate it with something other than fee fees. I have a guess…

Are you the one that said this "Nope. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're probably just committed to being an oppressed victim, no matter what the evidence bears out."

If so, I asked YOU for provide the evidence you claim to base your opinion on.

Because you want to confirm your priors. Nope = none of the literature usually making this claim bears the point out once you account for all factors. Usually people without agendas stop making such universal claims (like the pay gap is across the board) when they repeatedly fall apart, unless they are emotionally and ideologically invested in a certain outcome. The tendentious vigor of your inquiry is noted.

OK so you have no evidence, as suspected. The only one emotionally invested in proving a point is you. You are the one who claimed to have evidence ,which you clearly do not have. All I did was ask you to provide it.

Mhmmm, sure. And the "evidence" for the claim posted is showing that men teach in harder-to-staff roles and work more supplemental hours. So not the same work. Curious how that happens so frequently. When "study" after "study" fails to bear the point out, it would suggest that evidence for such broad claims like "the pay gap is across the board" does not exist. You do you, though.

I’m not the PP but the studies I just read out of curiosity did state that the majority of the pay gap was associated with supplemental hours.

However, as suggested by another poster, I read a number of law suits that were settled in favor of the women bc of pay gaps despite same job/same duties or even with the women having a higher level job and higher level duties. So maybe the answer isn’t clear cut either way.

This is a fair and reasonable take, and much less sweeping than other claims. Things always get messy once you get past the agendas and propaganda. A settlement is not always evidence of wrongdoing though; sometimes it's just a cost of doing business for the company. You can always find sensationalized stories and lawsuits:

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700288695/google-pay-study-finds-its-underpaying-men-for-some-jobs

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.639423/gov.uscourts.nysd.639423.1.0.pdf

If you want another study, here is one that suggests that for early childcare workers, women actually outearn men on an hourly basis.

"Although women face pay disparities relative to men in the overall workforce, table 10 suggests that women who are early childhood educators earn more than their male colleagues. Across all early childhood educator populations, women earn an average of $15.33 per hour, compared with men’s
$13.96 per hour. One factor driving this disparity is that a higher share of males are educators coded as child care workers rather than educators coded as preschool teachers. Because child care workers are paid less than preschool teachers, this lowers the average wage among men. Women who work in early care and education earn more than men as well, although the gap is smaller."

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/97676/early_childhood_educator_compensation_final_2.pdf

The pay inequity study that found that Google was underpaying some men doesn’t mean they were underpaying them compared to women. They could’ve been underpaying them based on location meaning they were getting the same pay as somebody in Philly but they were working in New York.

Google equity is based on job, experience, and location. So that wasn’t exactly paying inequity of men versus women.

It just showed that some men were paid less than their peers who could’ve been in the same job, experience, and location.

So you know better than the company itself?

You neither understood the study nor the explanation of the study