I fear for the future of Einstein.

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They are organizing some of the lobbying.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

I read some of the proposal and they're actually adding a few hundred busses and expecting this restricting to increase transportation costs... So I don't know why everyone is talking about driving.

But this poster is correct in that there will be reverse migration: everyone who is affluent will migrate to the rich kid schools.

Will there really be enough spaces in the "rich kid schools" for it have a statistically significant impact on the home schools?

We're another DCC family who could afford to move and aren't going to/don't want to. We're waiting to learn if our home school will be Blair or Northwood (it's currently Northwood). I would much prefer to stay at the home school unless there is an incredibly compelling program, and even then, the commute and social aspects are not insignificant.

It doesn’t sound like anyone will go to the “rich kid schools” bc of distance and distaste.

Also: BCC has nearly a 30% FARMS rate.

"Almost 30%" is low. Nearly 40% of MCPS high school students are enrolled in FARMS.

Also, yes some families will absolutely want to send their kids to wealthier schools to access the coursework those schools offer. The fact some parents prefer not to doesn't mean no kids will use this option.

How many of the higher HHI Einstein families do you think want their kids to go to Whitman or BCC? Don't you think we'd move if we wanted that?

No not really. Sure there are a dozen (maybe a couple dozen) that could afford to but going from the nicest home in your neighborhood to one of the worst, strictly entry level in an entire zip code is a hard thing to do. As to the other 99% of families IB for that cluster they simply cant afford to. There is also sour grape syndrome, anytime someone goes out of there way to say they could have bought the Merc but they like the Chevy better makes me think they are smart enough to be insecure about the Chevy and they care what people think which means they would have bought the Merc if they could. That isn't fool proof but when you still can't help one's self on an anonymous forum, it speaks to severe low esteem. The truth about Einstein is the same as the truth everywhere else, that's the best they you can afford with very few exceptions.

Not sure what the point of all this fighting over how many DCC families can afford Whitman is. We are a white middle-class family who wouldn't want our kids to attend Whitman or the other W schools. The fact that we can't afford to live in those areas anyway doesn't make that any more or less true.

We can afford it, we don't want to. We could easily sell our house and buy a cheaper house there. I don't get the assumption everyone wants to live there.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

I read some of the proposal and they're actually adding a few hundred busses and expecting this restricting to increase transportation costs... So I don't know why everyone is talking about driving.

But this poster is correct in that there will be reverse migration: everyone who is affluent will migrate to the rich kid schools.

Will there really be enough spaces in the "rich kid schools" for it have a statistically significant impact on the home schools?

We're another DCC family who could afford to move and aren't going to/don't want to. We're waiting to learn if our home school will be Blair or Northwood (it's currently Northwood). I would much prefer to stay at the home school unless there is an incredibly compelling program, and even then, the commute and social aspects are not insignificant.

It doesn’t sound like anyone will go to the “rich kid schools” bc of distance and distaste.

Also: BCC has nearly a 30% FARMS rate.

"Almost 30%" is low. Nearly 40% of MCPS high school students are enrolled in FARMS.

Also, yes some families will absolutely want to send their kids to wealthier schools to access the coursework those schools offer. The fact some parents prefer not to doesn't mean no kids will use this option.

How many of the higher HHI Einstein families do you think want their kids to go to Whitman or BCC? Don't you think we'd move if we wanted that?

No not really. Sure there are a dozen (maybe a couple dozen) that could afford to but going from the nicest home in your neighborhood to one of the worst, strictly entry level in an entire zip code is a hard thing to do. As to the other 99% of families IB for that cluster they simply cant afford to. There is also sour grape syndrome, anytime someone goes out of there way to say they could have bought the Merc but they like the Chevy better makes me think they are smart enough to be insecure about the Chevy and they care what people think which means they would have bought the Merc if they could. That isn't fool proof but when you still can't help one's self on an anonymous forum, it speaks to severe low esteem. The truth about Einstein is the same as the truth everywhere else, that's the best they you can afford with very few exceptions.

Not sure what the point of all this fighting over how many DCC families can afford Whitman is. We are a white middle-class family who wouldn't want our kids to attend Whitman or the other W schools. The fact that we can't afford to live in those areas anyway doesn't make that any more or less true.

We can afford it, we don't want to. We could easily sell our house and buy a cheaper house there. I don't get the assumption everyone wants to live there.

The people who say that everyone wants to live in an area zoned for a W school are obviously trolls or insecure people who made poor financial decisions. There are some lovely and conveniently located neighborhoods with very nice very expensive houses and if that's where some folks want to live and can afford it then great. I grew up there, it was fine. I do not feel a desire to live there now.

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Anonymous wrote:What is PACE doing to help?

They are organizing some of the lobbying.

Is there a way we can help? Bring media attention? Donations? Etc.

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https://form.jotform.com/252966011384155

Ask the Super and BOE to separate the program study from the boundary study

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Anonymous wrote:What is PACE doing to help?

They are organizing some of the lobbying.

Is there a way we can help? Bring media attention? Donations? Etc.

Donations:
https://www.aehspace.com

Or PTSA:
https://www.aehsptsa.com

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

Einstein parents just want to protect VAPA. A Visual and Performing arts magnet only makes sense at Einstein. Einstein has the best arts program in the DCC and arguably the entire county.

“Einstein parents” are not a monolith. I care about things other than VAPA and plenty of other Einstein parents to, too. Stop pretending to speak for the entire group.

+1 adding that this is even more complicated because the majority of families that will be impacted by this do not yet have children at Einstein. Our ES PTA is organizing feedback from.the community. However, MCPS should really be doing much more to understand what communities want or need instead of farming out community engagement to the PTAs. And they should have done this before developing any proposals or any dumb rules like that every school should have a criteria based program.

No, Whitman does not need a criteria based program. They already have a multitude of wealth based programs. In Region 1, vanishingly few BCC or Whitman students are going to travel to Einstein or Northwood or even Blair. But a larger portion (not all) Einstein students especially (due to geography) but also Northwood and Blair students, especially if they have cars and no work/sibling care commitments, will be interested in going to Whitman and BCC. It is the reverse of the original intention of the Blair magnet which was to reduce segregation. This plus the boundaries they are proposing will supercharge racial and socioeconomic segregation because the kids that can travel to Whitman and BCC will be wealthier and Whiter than the rest of their home school populations.

I read some of the proposal and they're actually adding a few hundred busses and expecting this restricting to increase transportation costs... So I don't know why everyone is talking about driving.

But this poster is correct in that there will be reverse migration: everyone who is affluent will migrate to the rich kid schools.

Will there really be enough spaces in the "rich kid schools" for it have a statistically significant impact on the home schools?

We're another DCC family who could afford to move and aren't going to/don't want to. We're waiting to learn if our home school will be Blair or Northwood (it's currently Northwood). I would much prefer to stay at the home school unless there is an incredibly compelling program, and even then, the commute and social aspects are not insignificant.

It doesn’t sound like anyone will go to the “rich kid schools” bc of distance and distaste.

Also: BCC has nearly a 30% FARMS rate.

"Almost 30%" is low. Nearly 40% of MCPS high school students are enrolled in FARMS.

Also, yes some families will absolutely want to send their kids to wealthier schools to access the coursework those schools offer. The fact some parents prefer not to doesn't mean no kids will use this option.

How many of the higher HHI Einstein families do you think want their kids to go to Whitman or BCC? Don't you think we'd move if we wanted that?

No not really. Sure there are a dozen (maybe a couple dozen) that could afford to but going from the nicest home in your neighborhood to one of the worst, strictly entry level in an entire zip code is a hard thing to do. As to the other 99% of families IB for that cluster they simply cant afford to. There is also sour grape syndrome, anytime someone goes out of there way to say they could have bought the Merc but they like the Chevy better makes me think they are smart enough to be insecure about the Chevy and they care what people think which means they would have bought the Merc if they could. That isn't fool proof but when you still can't help one's self on an anonymous forum, it speaks to severe low esteem. The truth about Einstein is the same as the truth everywhere else, that's the best they you can afford with very few exceptions.

Bro what even is this nonsense

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Anonymous wrote:https://form.jotform.com/252966011384155

Ask the Super and BOE to separate the program study from the boundary study

+1 pretty much no one thinks ramming these changes through is a good idea. Sign the petition--make your voice heard!

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Anonymous wrote:I fear for the future of Einstein if the parents are this nasty.

They really aren’t. We never saw this kind of thing in 4 years there.

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Ask the Super and BOE to separate the program study from the boundary study

+1 pretty much no one thinks ramming these changes through is a good idea. Sign the petition--make your voice heard!

Don't sign. More delays is a waste. You just want to hoard programs. The county is larger than DCC.

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Anonymous wrote:https://form.jotform.com/252966011384155

Ask the Super and BOE to separate the program study from the boundary study

+1 pretty much no one thinks ramming these changes through is a good idea. Sign the petition--make your voice heard!

Don't sign. More delays is a waste. You just want to hoard programs. The county is larger than DCC.

The DCC was created because the schools lacked the classes and opportunities that the W schools have. With the regional plan, the W schools continue to have the better classes and resources and the DCC and other schools will continue to go without to make them strong schools.

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Anonymous wrote:https://form.jotform.com/252966011384155

Ask the Super and BOE to separate the program study from the boundary study

+1 pretty much no one thinks ramming these changes through is a good idea. Sign the petition--make your voice heard!

Don't sign. More delays is a waste. You just want to hoard programs. The county is larger than DCC.

The DCC was created because the schools lacked the classes and opportunities that the W schools have. With the regional plan, the W schools continue to have the better classes and resources and the DCC and other schools will continue to go without to make them strong schools.

Again, the county is more than the DCC and the W’s.

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Anonymous wrote:https://form.jotform.com/252966011384155

Ask the Super and BOE to separate the program study from the boundary study

+1 pretty much no one thinks ramming these changes through is a good idea. Sign the petition--make your voice heard!

Don't sign. More delays is a waste. You just want to hoard programs. The county is larger than DCC.

The DCC was created because the schools lacked the classes and opportunities that the W schools have. With the regional plan, the W schools continue to have the better classes and resources and the DCC and other schools will continue to go without to make them strong schools.

Again, the county is more than the DCC and the W’s.

There are regions throughout the county under this proposal. The goal is to give more kids access to programs and strengthen home schools.

With the regional plan formerly DCC schools will host programs and have access to programs at other schools just like they do now.

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Anonymous wrote:https://form.jotform.com/252966011384155

Ask the Super and BOE to separate the program study from the boundary study

+1 pretty much no one thinks ramming these changes through is a good idea. Sign the petition--make your voice heard!

Don't sign. More delays is a waste. You just want to hoard programs. The county is larger than DCC.

The DCC was created because the schools lacked the classes and opportunities that the W schools have. With the regional plan, the W schools continue to have the better classes and resources and the DCC and other schools will continue to go without to make them strong schools.

Again, the county is more than the DCC and the W’s.

There are regions throughout the county under this proposal. The goal is to give more kids access to programs and strengthen home schools.

With the regional plan formerly DCC schools will host programs and have access to programs at other schools just like they do now.

And slowing down or stopping the regional model means that other areas without programs or school choice continue to not have programs or school choice.

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Anonymous wrote:https://form.jotform.com/252966011384155

Ask the Super and BOE to separate the program study from the boundary study

+1 pretty much no one thinks ramming these changes through is a good idea. Sign the petition--make your voice heard!

Don't sign. More delays is a waste. You just want to hoard programs. The county is larger than DCC.

The DCC was created because the schools lacked the classes and opportunities that the W schools have. With the regional plan, the W schools continue to have the better classes and resources and the DCC and other schools will continue to go without to make them strong schools.

Again, the county is more than the DCC and the W’s.

There are regions throughout the county under this proposal. The goal is to give more kids access to programs and strengthen home schools.

With the regional plan formerly DCC schools will host programs and have access to programs at other schools just like they do now.

No, not just like they do now. The regional proposal differs in significant ways from the DCC. The DCC has some issues that this proposal will make worse.