IVF embryos are people too

[Anonymous]

This would also seem to eliminate PGD-IVF in its entirety, even if it’s a single egg retrieval.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Exactly. The leopard has shown its spots. Anything the GOP wants to try and claim to the contrary is a lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

Trump is dangerous. Do not give this man power

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Exactly. The leopard has shown its spots. Anything the GOP wants to try and claim to the contrary is a lie.

They call pro choice people baby killers and they are the ones coming after babies. It's so messed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

Too little too late; it's almost like Trump is not so smart or something. Once Roe v Wade was overturned, it was only a matter of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

Trump is dangerous. Do not give this man power

I'm sure he doesn't give a sh*t about any of this, but what Trump thinks is irrelevant. He's completely controlled by religious nut jobs and he's going to appoint whoever they tell him to appoint. And then those people will have the power to impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is so focused on the frozen embryos. Anyone who has gone through IVF knows that fertilized eggs and eventual embryos are typically lost throughout the process. For those who aren't experienced, here's a primer:
After roughly 2 weeks of injections, a women undergoes egg retrieval, in which a needle is inserted through the vaginal wall and into follicles within the ovaries to collect eggs (day 0). Immediately after the retrieval, those eggs that are mature are combined with sperm, often through a process known as ICSI (intercytoplasmic sperm injection), in the hopes that those mature eggs will be fertilized. In my experience, we received a call from our RE on day 2, once he had the report from the embryology lab, to let us know how many eggs were fertilized and beginning to undergo cell division. Once embryos reach the blastocyst stage (day 5 or 6), that is when they are typically frozen or occasionally returned to the woman's body via a fresh transfer. So there are 5 whole days there where some of those fertilized eggs are lost in the process, never reaching a mature enough stage for transfer or freezing.
If the Alabama ruling holds, and they consider life to begin at the moment of fertilization, then that could potentially cause issues with the entire process, not just the frozen embryos. Would they hold someone accountable for the absolutely normal attrition of fertilized eggs in the embryology lab on days 1-4? What about if something happens to an embryo once it is thawed for transfer? Is someone criminally negligent there for authorizing the thaw/transfer process?
This ruling is a can of worms, and there are most definitely some in the Republican party who 100% want IVF and even some other, less invasive, infertility treatments, to go away. That's where they plan on finding homes for all of the unwanted babies - the "barren" will "just adopt".

This case is a very basic principle and decision: the term embryos is all encompassing whether that embryo is located inside a womb or not. Under Alabama law, an embryo is a person. Period; end of story; case closed. I mean that’s really all there is to it. The court’s opinion was that the case was very simple. There is no exception. They wouldn’t care if the embryo was on Mars. Embryo = life = child.

The basic premise could be used to legislate against IUDs and other forms of birth control that interfere with an embryo, for having a miscarriage, for the medical courier dropping the delivery of the frozen embryos and causing them to be damaged, for a power company to be liable for all the embryos that die during a power failure of the cryogenic storage, for the ICSI tech/embryologist damaging an embryo…the possibilities are endless.

Technically it seems under this ruling the only type of IVF that would be legal would be single egg retrieval which is rarely done.

None of those are that far off what the original facts of this case were actually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

Too little too late; it's almost like Trump is not so smart or something. Once Roe v Wade was overturned, it was only a matter of time.

They're going to keep doing this. Future targets will be:
- birth control
- surrogacy
- gay marriage
- gay adoption and adoption by anyone they deem unfit
- no-fault divorce
- porn
- sex-ed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

Trump is dangerous. Do not give this man power

I'm sure he doesn't give a sh*t about any of this, but what Trump thinks is irrelevant. He's completely controlled by religious nut jobs and he's going to appoint whoever they tell him to appoint. And then those people will have the power to impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us for the rest of their lives.

+1
This is what Project 2025 is meant to do. Install the power, no matter how stupid and disorganized Trump is. They want loyalists and extremists and they have a plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

Too little too late; it's almost like Trump is not so smart or something. Once Roe v Wade was overturned, it was only a matter of time.

They're going to keep doing this. Future targets will be:
- birth control
- surrogacy
- gay marriage
- gay adoption and adoption by anyone they deem unfit
- no-fault divorce
- porn
- sex-ed

Rape would largely be decriminalized.

[Anonymous]

They actually haven’t been talking about porn.
Sex Ed is being threatened, but not porn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

Too little too late; it's almost like Trump is not so smart or something. Once Roe v Wade was overturned, it was only a matter of time.

They're going to keep doing this. Future targets will be:
- birth control
- surrogacy
- gay marriage
- gay adoption and adoption by anyone they deem unfit
- no-fault divorce
- porn
- sex-ed

Have to laugh at the porn one given Trump having sex with a porn star. What would Trump do if his youngest turned out to be gay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

Even Donald Trump is desperately trying to stuff this genie back in the bottle.

Yet he nominated, and the republican senate confirmed, Sarah Pitlyk as a federal judge despite her outspoken views against IVF (and surrogacy).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-pitlyk-judge-fertility-treatment_n_5de69777e4b0913e6f865cb6

And Judge Pitlyk was on Trump's shortlist for SCOTUS.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/3-gop-senators-2-judges-rated-not-qualified-are-on-trumps-latest-supreme-court-shortlist

+1 This ruling is a direct result of what Trump unleashed by stacking the court with anti-abortionists who overturned RvW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone here with their panties in a bunch need to read about what this ruling IS.... and what it is NOT.

It is an easy read.

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-ivf-storage-questions-1adbc349e0f99851973a609e360c242c

When a state Supreme Court justice quotes the Bible and says that human life is an endowment from God and begins at conception and, also that it's what is stated in the state constitution, yeah, my panties are gonna be in a bunch.