Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Is there 14,000 cyclists in all of North America? I doubt it.

“Replacing vehicular lanes with bicycle lanes ultimately increases the maximum capacity of the overall right of way, as an average car lane moves up to around 2,000 people per hour per direction, while an average bike lane using the same space can move up to around 14,000 people per hour per direction,” the report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/15/connecticut-avenue-bike-lane-revived/

It's one of those meaningless statistics because one could also say that 28,000 Segways (half the size of a bike but the same speed) per hour or even more smart cars (smaller length, larger width but faster speed).

There is one simple fact that matters. Right now, 30,000 cars per day use Connecticut while bicycle use per day is in the low double digits. The demand is simply not there.

As usual, the bicyclists overreached. If they had waited until at least 500 people on average per day over a calendar year were using it then they might have had a point.

People not wanting to risk their lives riding a bike on Connecticut Avenue is not indicative of a lack of demand. Count me and three additional members of my family who would replace countless car trips if it were safe to do so.

A protected gutter lane on a major avenue will never induce usage from anyone who is concerned about safety.

Of course it will — it would be far, far safer than the way you ride on that street now, i.e., just in traffic.

You forget the fact that nothing is stopping these people from riding on the sidewalk today. But yes, let’s imagine this magical group of people too worried about their own safety to ride on Connecticut Ave today but also not willing to use a really safe alternative option currently available would start riding their bicycle because there was a plastic bollard protecting them from a car 3 feet away while they had to ride through broken glass and trash. Make this make sense.

You’re telling me that there are thousands of people who don’t ride bikes on Connecticut Avenue today would because they are worried about personal safety

I didn't say thousands would start riding. You said a protected bike lane would "never" induce "anyone" to start, which is clearly wrong.

Riding on the sidewalk isn't anything like riding in a protected bike lane; there are no pedestrians in the bike lane (well, at least, there aren't supposed to be). There's far less perpendicular foot traffic crossing the bike lane than there is on a sidewalk, too. You don't have to go down and up dips for curb cuts and driveways in a bike lane, as you frequently do on a sidewalk (I once rode from Tenleytown to Dupont Circle on the sidewalk on Mass Ave and found that part of it particularly annoying). And in a lot of places, the sidewalk is narrower than the bike lanes are.

I don't entirely see what your argument is here — you're against bike lanes, okay, but you also think they're not safe enough? Have you ever ridden a bike in D.C.? I promise you that it feels far, far safer to ride in a protected lane than it does without one. Don't believe me? Go try it!

Yeah, people who claim to be for pedestrians should be for good bike lanes, not against them. I have this thought every time I used "shared use paths" as either a bicyclist or a pedestrian, and I use them a lot.

You should map out your talking points so that you stop contradicting yourself about pedestrian safety.

When the number of bicycles on the sidewalks get to be so many that you become an actual safety risk to pedestrians then we can talk about bike lanes. However, as of now you have a fully safe option available to you that is not utilized and we know that cyclists don’t care about pedestrians (“you should be more afraid of cars than us”) so feigned concern for pedestrians for not using sidewalks is nonsense.

The way life works for normal people is that if you use everything that has been given then you ask for more. All children who are not spoilt are taught this.

You're responding to multiple posters. This poster (me) actually does bicycle, on sidewalks when that feels less dangerous than bicycling in the road, so don't tell me I don't exist. This poster (me) also actually does walk, on sidewalks, which I share with people on bicycles, so don't tell me that people on bicycles on the sidewalk don't exist. The best thing for pedestrians, in order, are:

1. sidewalks
2. good sidewalks
3. good bike lanes so they don't have to share the sidewalks with people on bicycles

Also we are actually are talking about bike lanes, whether you like bike lanes or not. You certainly seem to love hate-posting about bike lanes on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious.

Is there 14,000 cyclists in all of North America? I doubt it.

“Replacing vehicular lanes with bicycle lanes ultimately increases the maximum capacity of the overall right of way, as an average car lane moves up to around 2,000 people per hour per direction, while an average bike lane using the same space can move up to around 14,000 people per hour per direction,” the report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/15/connecticut-avenue-bike-lane-revived/

It's one of those meaningless statistics because one could also say that 28,000 Segways (half the size of a bike but the same speed) per hour or even more smart cars (smaller length, larger width but faster speed).

There is one simple fact that matters. Right now, 30,000 cars per day use Connecticut while bicycle use per day is in the low double digits. The demand is simply not there.

As usual, the bicyclists overreached. If they had waited until at least 500 people on average per day over a calendar year were using it then they might have had a point.

People not wanting to risk their lives riding a bike on Connecticut Avenue is not indicative of a lack of demand. Count me and three additional members of my family who would replace countless car trips if it were safe to do so.

A protected gutter lane on a major avenue will never induce usage from anyone who is concerned about safety.

Of course it will — it would be far, far safer than the way you ride on that street now, i.e., just in traffic.

You forget the fact that nothing is stopping these people from riding on the sidewalk today. But yes, let’s imagine this magical group of people too worried about their own safety to ride on Connecticut Ave today but also not willing to use a really safe alternative option currently available would start riding their bicycle because there was a plastic bollard protecting them from a car 3 feet away while they had to ride through broken glass and trash. Make this make sense.

You’re telling me that there are thousands of people who don’t ride bikes on Connecticut Avenue today would because they are worried about personal safety

I didn't say thousands would start riding. You said a protected bike lane would "never" induce "anyone" to start, which is clearly wrong.

Riding on the sidewalk isn't anything like riding in a protected bike lane; there are no pedestrians in the bike lane (well, at least, there aren't supposed to be). There's far less perpendicular foot traffic crossing the bike lane than there is on a sidewalk, too. You don't have to go down and up dips for curb cuts and driveways in a bike lane, as you frequently do on a sidewalk (I once rode from Tenleytown to Dupont Circle on the sidewalk on Mass Ave and found that part of it particularly annoying). And in a lot of places, the sidewalk is narrower than the bike lanes are.

I don't entirely see what your argument is here — you're against bike lanes, okay, but you also think they're not safe enough? Have you ever ridden a bike in D.C.? I promise you that it feels far, far safer to ride in a protected lane than it does without one. Don't believe me? Go try it!

Yeah, people who claim to be for pedestrians should be for good bike lanes, not against them. I have this thought every time I used "shared use paths" as either a bicyclist or a pedestrian, and I use them a lot.

You should map out your talking points so that you stop contradicting yourself about pedestrian safety.

When the number of bicycles on the sidewalks get to be so many that you become an actual safety risk to pedestrians then we can talk about bike lanes. However, as of now you have a fully safe option available to you that is not utilized and we know that cyclists don’t care about pedestrians (“you should be more afraid of cars than us”) so feigned concern for pedestrians for not using sidewalks is nonsense.

The way life works for normal people is that if you use everything that has been given then you ask for more. All children who are not spoilt are taught this.

Cyclists aren't supposed to ride on the sidewalk. It's not even legal south of Florida Avenue. People like you complain about cyclists disregarding pedestrian safety all the time -- including here, where pedestrian safety is a reason to sneer at cyclists ("we know that cyclists don't care about pedestrians"), and also a convenient way to pretend that the lack of bicycles on sidewalks is proof that no one wants to ride a bike. If people rode on the sidewalks on Connecticut Avenue, that'd be just more evidence that cyclists are dangerous scofflaws who don't deserve to have any road space.

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Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious.

Is there 14,000 cyclists in all of North America? I doubt it.

“Replacing vehicular lanes with bicycle lanes ultimately increases the maximum capacity of the overall right of way, as an average car lane moves up to around 2,000 people per hour per direction, while an average bike lane using the same space can move up to around 14,000 people per hour per direction,” the report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/15/connecticut-avenue-bike-lane-revived/

It's one of those meaningless statistics because one could also say that 28,000 Segways (half the size of a bike but the same speed) per hour or even more smart cars (smaller length, larger width but faster speed).

There is one simple fact that matters. Right now, 30,000 cars per day use Connecticut while bicycle use per day is in the low double digits. The demand is simply not there.

As usual, the bicyclists overreached. If they had waited until at least 500 people on average per day over a calendar year were using it then they might have had a point.

People not wanting to risk their lives riding a bike on Connecticut Avenue is not indicative of a lack of demand. Count me and three additional members of my family who would replace countless car trips if it were safe to do so.

A protected gutter lane on a major avenue will never induce usage from anyone who is concerned about safety.

Of course it will — it would be far, far safer than the way you ride on that street now, i.e., just in traffic.

You forget the fact that nothing is stopping these people from riding on the sidewalk today. But yes, let’s imagine this magical group of people too worried about their own safety to ride on Connecticut Ave today but also not willing to use a really safe alternative option currently available would start riding their bicycle because there was a plastic bollard protecting them from a car 3 feet away while they had to ride through broken glass and trash. Make this make sense.

You’re telling me that there are thousands of people who don’t ride bikes on Connecticut Avenue today would because they are worried about personal safety

I didn't say thousands would start riding. You said a protected bike lane would "never" induce "anyone" to start, which is clearly wrong.

Riding on the sidewalk isn't anything like riding in a protected bike lane; there are no pedestrians in the bike lane (well, at least, there aren't supposed to be). There's far less perpendicular foot traffic crossing the bike lane than there is on a sidewalk, too. You don't have to go down and up dips for curb cuts and driveways in a bike lane, as you frequently do on a sidewalk (I once rode from Tenleytown to Dupont Circle on the sidewalk on Mass Ave and found that part of it particularly annoying). And in a lot of places, the sidewalk is narrower than the bike lanes are.

I don't entirely see what your argument is here — you're against bike lanes, okay, but you also think they're not safe enough? Have you ever ridden a bike in D.C.? I promise you that it feels far, far safer to ride in a protected lane than it does without one. Don't believe me? Go try it!

Yeah, people who claim to be for pedestrians should be for good bike lanes, not against them. I have this thought every time I used "shared use paths" as either a bicyclist or a pedestrian, and I use them a lot.

You should map out your talking points so that you stop contradicting yourself about pedestrian safety.

When the number of bicycles on the sidewalks get to be so many that you become an actual safety risk to pedestrians then we can talk about bike lanes. However, as of now you have a fully safe option available to you that is not utilized and we know that cyclists don’t care about pedestrians (“you should be more afraid of cars than us”) so feigned concern for pedestrians for not using sidewalks is nonsense.

The way life works for normal people is that if you use everything that has been given then you ask for more. All children who are not spoilt are taught this.

You're responding to multiple posters. This poster (me) actually does bicycle, on sidewalks when that feels less dangerous than bicycling in the road, so don't tell me I don't exist. This poster (me) also actually does walk, on sidewalks, which I share with people on bicycles, so don't tell me that people on bicycles on the sidewalk don't exist. The best thing for pedestrians, in order, are:

1. sidewalks
2. good sidewalks
3. good bike lanes so they don't have to share the sidewalks with people on bicycles

Also we are actually are talking about bike lanes, whether you like bike lanes or not. You certainly seem to love hate-posting about bike lanes on DCUM.

Quick question. Do you think your debate club routine here makes any difference to what is happening in the real world? Who do you think you are convincing and what is your goal?

I don’t love posting about bike lanes on this website. I am just really fascinated with how crazy you are.

You are really all over the place saying things that contradict themselves left and right. Arguing to death over a decision that is made like it’s somehow still up for debate.

Maybe my mistake is thinking that pointing out your crazy will help you to move on.

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DC already has more than 150 miles of bike lanes, many of them protected, and the number of cyclists in this city is going down. If cyclists were a stock, you'd sell. It's already topped out.

False statement. You continue to cite "commuter" which, with work from home, is down everywhere. Cycling in general is way up, so measure that way rather than taking faulty "commuter" stats.

Every transportation survey I’ve seen shows the number of cyclists is not only very small but is getting smaller…

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Where's the study that shows cycling in DC is "way up"?

They don’t have any actual data. Which is why they talk about anecdotes about parking garages.

There's plenty of data from the bike counters downtown, actually, which seems relevant to commuting discussions. The one at 11th and H has shown an increase in daily counts over the last year and a daily average of 174 cyclists (which includes the much lower Saturday and Sunday volume), and also shows the highest count in the last year was on May 7, 2024.

Overall, combining all the counters, the daily average for the period from 2016 to today is 2,778 counts, and the daily average for the period from 2023 to today is 4,019. So if the average is higher for the more recent period, what does that indicate about whether the number of cyclists is increasing or decreasing?

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DC already has more than 150 miles of bike lanes, many of them protected, and the number of cyclists in this city is going down. If cyclists were a stock, you'd sell. It's already topped out.

False statement. You continue to cite "commuter" which, with work from home, is down everywhere. Cycling in general is way up, so measure that way rather than taking faulty "commuter" stats.

The number of people that work from home had declined significantly and continues to decline every month. The fad is over.

Then why do you keep citing your 11 county commuter survey from 2022? We know things like CABI are way up since 2022.

You’re absolutely and completely crazy. You’re the one playing both sides of the work from home. No one else gives a crap.

Why don’t you go and find data instead of reverting to anecdotes about commuter garages.

Get help. Seriously.

None of the big data sets have been updated with post 2022 data yet. There is nothing from ACS or DOT that can show national trends. So the next best option is local data.
Cabi:

Rider counters: https://ddot.dc.gov/page/dc-automated-bicycle-and-pedestrian-counters
You have nearly 3,000 users a day, and this doesn't even capture something like the MBT. That's a strong recovery from 2022 as you can see in the graph.
But the real threat to biking is actually the scooters. That's what has eaten into biking's growth more than anything, and right now there is no real good data out there. They largely need the same infrastructure as bikes though.

No, thanks, put the scooters in the traffic lanes — they're motorized, they go faster than bikes, and they take up more space than bikes.

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Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious.

Is there 14,000 cyclists in all of North America? I doubt it.

“Replacing vehicular lanes with bicycle lanes ultimately increases the maximum capacity of the overall right of way, as an average car lane moves up to around 2,000 people per hour per direction, while an average bike lane using the same space can move up to around 14,000 people per hour per direction,” the report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/15/connecticut-avenue-bike-lane-revived/

It's one of those meaningless statistics because one could also say that 28,000 Segways (half the size of a bike but the same speed) per hour or even more smart cars (smaller length, larger width but faster speed).

There is one simple fact that matters. Right now, 30,000 cars per day use Connecticut while bicycle use per day is in the low double digits. The demand is simply not there.

As usual, the bicyclists overreached. If they had waited until at least 500 people on average per day over a calendar year were using it then they might have had a point.

People not wanting to risk their lives riding a bike on Connecticut Avenue is not indicative of a lack of demand. Count me and three additional members of my family who would replace countless car trips if it were safe to do so.

A protected gutter lane on a major avenue will never induce usage from anyone who is concerned about safety.

Of course it will — it would be far, far safer than the way you ride on that street now, i.e., just in traffic.

You forget the fact that nothing is stopping these people from riding on the sidewalk today. But yes, let’s imagine this magical group of people too worried about their own safety to ride on Connecticut Ave today but also not willing to use a really safe alternative option currently available would start riding their bicycle because there was a plastic bollard protecting them from a car 3 feet away while they had to ride through broken glass and trash. Make this make sense.

You’re telling me that there are thousands of people who don’t ride bikes on Connecticut Avenue today would because they are worried about personal safety

I didn't say thousands would start riding. You said a protected bike lane would "never" induce "anyone" to start, which is clearly wrong.

Riding on the sidewalk isn't anything like riding in a protected bike lane; there are no pedestrians in the bike lane (well, at least, there aren't supposed to be). There's far less perpendicular foot traffic crossing the bike lane than there is on a sidewalk, too. You don't have to go down and up dips for curb cuts and driveways in a bike lane, as you frequently do on a sidewalk (I once rode from Tenleytown to Dupont Circle on the sidewalk on Mass Ave and found that part of it particularly annoying). And in a lot of places, the sidewalk is narrower than the bike lanes are.

I don't entirely see what your argument is here — you're against bike lanes, okay, but you also think they're not safe enough? Have you ever ridden a bike in D.C.? I promise you that it feels far, far safer to ride in a protected lane than it does without one. Don't believe me? Go try it!

Yeah, people who claim to be for pedestrians should be for good bike lanes, not against them. I have this thought every time I used "shared use paths" as either a bicyclist or a pedestrian, and I use them a lot.

You should map out your talking points so that you stop contradicting yourself about pedestrian safety.

When the number of bicycles on the sidewalks get to be so many that you become an actual safety risk to pedestrians then we can talk about bike lanes. However, as of now you have a fully safe option available to you that is not utilized and we know that cyclists don’t care about pedestrians (“you should be more afraid of cars than us”) so feigned concern for pedestrians for not using sidewalks is nonsense.

The way life works for normal people is that if you use everything that has been given then you ask for more. All children who are not spoilt are taught this.

You're responding to multiple posters. This poster (me) actually does bicycle, on sidewalks when that feels less dangerous than bicycling in the road, so don't tell me I don't exist. This poster (me) also actually does walk, on sidewalks, which I share with people on bicycles, so don't tell me that people on bicycles on the sidewalk don't exist. The best thing for pedestrians, in order, are:

1. sidewalks
2. good sidewalks
3. good bike lanes so they don't have to share the sidewalks with people on bicycles

Also we are actually are talking about bike lanes, whether you like bike lanes or not. You certainly seem to love hate-posting about bike lanes on DCUM.

Quick question. Do you think your debate club routine here makes any difference to what is happening in the real world? Who do you think you are convincing and what is your goal?

I don’t love posting about bike lanes on this website. I am just really fascinated with how crazy you are.

You are really all over the place saying things that contradict themselves left and right. Arguing to death over a decision that is made like it’s somehow still up for debate.

Maybe my mistake is thinking that pointing out your crazy will help you to move on.

Which raises the question: how come you spend so much time doing something you don't love?

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Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious.

Is there 14,000 cyclists in all of North America? I doubt it.

“Replacing vehicular lanes with bicycle lanes ultimately increases the maximum capacity of the overall right of way, as an average car lane moves up to around 2,000 people per hour per direction, while an average bike lane using the same space can move up to around 14,000 people per hour per direction,” the report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/15/connecticut-avenue-bike-lane-revived/

It's one of those meaningless statistics because one could also say that 28,000 Segways (half the size of a bike but the same speed) per hour or even more smart cars (smaller length, larger width but faster speed).

There is one simple fact that matters. Right now, 30,000 cars per day use Connecticut while bicycle use per day is in the low double digits. The demand is simply not there.

As usual, the bicyclists overreached. If they had waited until at least 500 people on average per day over a calendar year were using it then they might have had a point.

People not wanting to risk their lives riding a bike on Connecticut Avenue is not indicative of a lack of demand. Count me and three additional members of my family who would replace countless car trips if it were safe to do so.

A protected gutter lane on a major avenue will never induce usage from anyone who is concerned about safety.

Of course it will — it would be far, far safer than the way you ride on that street now, i.e., just in traffic.

You forget the fact that nothing is stopping these people from riding on the sidewalk today. But yes, let’s imagine this magical group of people too worried about their own safety to ride on Connecticut Ave today but also not willing to use a really safe alternative option currently available would start riding their bicycle because there was a plastic bollard protecting them from a car 3 feet away while they had to ride through broken glass and trash. Make this make sense.

You’re telling me that there are thousands of people who don’t ride bikes on Connecticut Avenue today would because they are worried about personal safety

I didn't say thousands would start riding. You said a protected bike lane would "never" induce "anyone" to start, which is clearly wrong.

Riding on the sidewalk isn't anything like riding in a protected bike lane; there are no pedestrians in the bike lane (well, at least, there aren't supposed to be). There's far less perpendicular foot traffic crossing the bike lane than there is on a sidewalk, too. You don't have to go down and up dips for curb cuts and driveways in a bike lane, as you frequently do on a sidewalk (I once rode from Tenleytown to Dupont Circle on the sidewalk on Mass Ave and found that part of it particularly annoying). And in a lot of places, the sidewalk is narrower than the bike lanes are.

I don't entirely see what your argument is here — you're against bike lanes, okay, but you also think they're not safe enough? Have you ever ridden a bike in D.C.? I promise you that it feels far, far safer to ride in a protected lane than it does without one. Don't believe me? Go try it!

Yeah, people who claim to be for pedestrians should be for good bike lanes, not against them. I have this thought every time I used "shared use paths" as either a bicyclist or a pedestrian, and I use them a lot.

You should map out your talking points so that you stop contradicting yourself about pedestrian safety.

When the number of bicycles on the sidewalks get to be so many that you become an actual safety risk to pedestrians then we can talk about bike lanes. However, as of now you have a fully safe option available to you that is not utilized and we know that cyclists don’t care about pedestrians (“you should be more afraid of cars than us”) so feigned concern for pedestrians for not using sidewalks is nonsense.

The way life works for normal people is that if you use everything that has been given then you ask for more. All children who are not spoilt are taught this.

You're responding to multiple posters. This poster (me) actually does bicycle, on sidewalks when that feels less dangerous than bicycling in the road, so don't tell me I don't exist. This poster (me) also actually does walk, on sidewalks, which I share with people on bicycles, so don't tell me that people on bicycles on the sidewalk don't exist. The best thing for pedestrians, in order, are:

1. sidewalks
2. good sidewalks
3. good bike lanes so they don't have to share the sidewalks with people on bicycles

Also we are actually are talking about bike lanes, whether you like bike lanes or not. You certainly seem to love hate-posting about bike lanes on DCUM.

Quick question. Do you think your debate club routine here makes any difference to what is happening in the real world? Who do you think you are convincing and what is your goal?

I don’t love posting about bike lanes on this website. I am just really fascinated with how crazy you are.

You are really all over the place saying things that contradict themselves left and right. Arguing to death over a decision that is made like it’s somehow still up for debate.

Maybe my mistake is thinking that pointing out your crazy will help you to move on.

Which raises the question: how come you spend so much time doing something you don't love?

Why can’t you move on?

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No dog in this fight, but the anti-bike people are so nasty, I hope they put 1000 bike lanes on the roads you drive.

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I've said this earlier in the thread, but: I wish the bike lanes were going to be built, because I'd use them frequently, but I don't think the Council's recent move will really wind up meaning anything. This proposal is dead. Not entirely sure why any of us are still discussing it!

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DC already has more than 150 miles of bike lanes, many of them protected, and the number of cyclists in this city is going down. If cyclists were a stock, you'd sell. It's already topped out.

False statement. You continue to cite "commuter" which, with work from home, is down everywhere. Cycling in general is way up, so measure that way rather than taking faulty "commuter" stats.

Every transportation survey I’ve seen shows the number of cyclists is not only very small but is getting smaller…

And yet, there are 15-20 million new bikes sold each year. Bikes can last a lifetime. Go figure.

Some number of bikes are stolen every year, especially in DC.

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DC already has more than 150 miles of bike lanes, many of them protected, and the number of cyclists in this city is going down. If cyclists were a stock, you'd sell. It's already topped out.

False statement. You continue to cite "commuter" which, with work from home, is down everywhere. Cycling in general is way up, so measure that way rather than taking faulty "commuter" stats.

Every transportation survey I’ve seen shows the number of cyclists is not only very small but is getting smaller…

And yet, there are 15-20 million new bikes sold each year. Bikes can last a lifetime. Go figure.

Some number of bikes are stolen every year, especially in DC.

Which shows that there is demand.

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight, but the anti-bike people are so nasty, I hope they put 1000 bike lanes on the roads you drive.

There are already thousands of bike lanes in DC. So we’re good.

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DC already has more than 150 miles of bike lanes, many of them protected, and the number of cyclists in this city is going down. If cyclists were a stock, you'd sell. It's already topped out.

False statement. You continue to cite "commuter" which, with work from home, is down everywhere. Cycling in general is way up, so measure that way rather than taking faulty "commuter" stats.

The number of people that work from home had declined significantly and continues to decline every month. The fad is over.

Then why do you keep citing your 11 county commuter survey from 2022? We know things like CABI are way up since 2022.

You’re absolutely and completely crazy. You’re the one playing both sides of the work from home. No one else gives a crap.

Why don’t you go and find data instead of reverting to anecdotes about commuter garages.

Get help. Seriously.

None of the big data sets have been updated with post 2022 data yet. There is nothing from ACS or DOT that can show national trends. So the next best option is local data.
Cabi:

Rider counters: https://ddot.dc.gov/page/dc-automated-bicycle-and-pedestrian-counters
You have nearly 3,000 users a day, and this doesn't even capture something like the MBT. That's a strong recovery from 2022 as you can see in the graph.
But the real threat to biking is actually the scooters. That's what has eaten into biking's growth more than anything, and right now there is no real good data out there. They largely need the same infrastructure as bikes though.

No, thanks, put the scooters in the traffic lanes — they're motorized, they go faster than bikes, and they take up more space than bikes.

I think the PP was referring to electric scooters (the type you stand on). You seem to have mopeds - often also called scooters - in mind. Electric scooters are generally (but always) slower than bikes and are much smaller.

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DC already has more than 150 miles of bike lanes, many of them protected, and the number of cyclists in this city is going down. If cyclists were a stock, you'd sell. It's already topped out.

False statement. You continue to cite "commuter" which, with work from home, is down everywhere. Cycling in general is way up, so measure that way rather than taking faulty "commuter" stats.

Every transportation survey I’ve seen shows the number of cyclists is not only very small but is getting smaller…

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Where's the study that shows cycling in DC is "way up"?

They don’t have any actual data. Which is why they talk about anecdotes about parking garages.

Per the Census, bicycling in cities across the country is a lot less popular than it was.

"After increased investments in bicycle infrastructure, big experiments with urban bike sharing, an explosion in electric-bike sales and an overall pandemic bike-buying boom, the latest news on bike commuting in the US from the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey is not impressive. An estimated 731,272 Americans used bicycles as their chief means of transportation to work in 2022, up from 2021 but down almost 75,000 from before the pandemic and 175,000 from the peak year of 2014."

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-09-27/biking-to-work-isn-t-gaining-any-ground-in-the-us?embedded-checkout=true

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DC already has more than 150 miles of bike lanes, many of them protected, and the number of cyclists in this city is going down. If cyclists were a stock, you'd sell. It's already topped out.

False statement. You continue to cite "commuter" which, with work from home, is down everywhere. Cycling in general is way up, so measure that way rather than taking faulty "commuter" stats.

Every transportation survey I’ve seen shows the number of cyclists is not only very small but is getting smaller…

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Where's the study that shows cycling in DC is "way up"?

They don’t have any actual data. Which is why they talk about anecdotes about parking garages.

Per the Census, bicycling in cities across the country is a lot less popular than it was.

"After increased investments in bicycle infrastructure, big experiments with urban bike sharing, an explosion in electric-bike sales and an overall pandemic bike-buying boom, the latest news on bike commuting in the US from the Census Bureau’s annual American Community Survey is not impressive. An estimated 731,272 Americans used bicycles as their chief means of transportation to work in 2022, up from 2021 but down almost 75,000 from before the pandemic and 175,000 from the peak year of 2014."

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-09-27/biking-to-work-isn-t-gaining-any-ground-in-the-us?embedded-checkout=true

Once again conflating "commuting" with you know, running errands or other bike trips which may not be "commuting" particularly given that commuting in general is down given post pandemic working parameters.