New USNWR rankings coming out in one week. Post predictions here!

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Anonymous wrote:Go UC Davis! California’s 5th best state school, with a 42% admit rate, is ranked #32 in the country.

How many times can a shark be jumped?

UC Davis is an excellent, all around school, with a charming college town setting, without toxic, competitive students.

In California, it is considered too far from the coast, from the mountains, from SF, even though it would be considered close to them if it were on the east coast.

Davis is a great school. Better than many overpriced privates like wake, emory, and georgetown.

UC Davis-
1160- 1370/25-31
Emory
1470-1550/32-35
Georgetown
1390-1550/30-35

UC Davis is overrated, Emory and GU underrated.

Davis a great school but not in same category by a mile.

According to USNWR, it is. How does your data/analysis differ?

Davis is not T25. Thats Emory's and GUs category.

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Anonymous wrote:The Chicago thing is crazy because from top private high schools they only matriculate kids who are well out of the top 20%. Maybe this year will be different.

this is total bs. chicago has 96% of freshmen in top 10% of class

Not sure what the other poster is using as their basis, but I have 2 kids in 2 different “top privates”. Kids from both schools who’ve gone to Chicago were not well outside top 20%. In fact the opposite.

The kids who select Chicago are not doing so because it is a fun and easy place. It’s always had a reputation for serious academics. This was even true back when I applied to college. It anttracts smart kids. And no I didn’t go there. There are one or two anti-Chicago people who are just plain crazy.

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Maryland is (still) woefully underranked.

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Anonymous wrote:The Chicago thing is crazy because from top private high schools they only matriculate kids who are well out of the top 20%. Maybe this year will be different.

Chicago and Hopkins are T10 oddballs. I’ve never met a kid who dreams of going to either.

you bitter. get over it

Different poster. He's not wrong. They're the only top10 schools that have ED2.
The only reason to have ED2 is to get a second shot at top students who didn't choose you ED1.

Kind of a dumb take. No one EDs to brown, dartmouth, cornell, etc as a dream school. It's because they didn't feel as confident going for HYPSM. I think it's smart to offer ED2. Most people who end up at lower top 10s had bigger dreams but landed at a solid backup.

I am not a big fan of Chicago or Hopkins but their top students are probably smarter than a lot of HYP these days. HYP admissions is not based on academic merit.

I would agree with this, though it is also true at many flagships.

Yes. In fact, due simply to its sheer size, a top public school like Michigan has more 1500+ SAT students in its incoming class than Harvard. The math is simple: In Fall 2024, Michigan has 8858 freshmen and a 75th percentile SAT of 1530, meaning it has 2214 freshmen scoring above 1530. In comparison, Harvard has 1647 freshmen and a 25th percentile SAT of 1500, meaning it has 1235 freshmen scoring above 1500. Of course, both schools were test optional in Fall 2024 which skewed these numbers, but the errors were unlikely to drop Michigan's 2214 below Harvard's 1235, especially when Michigan's threshold was 1530 while Harvard's was 1500. (And of course Harvard is significantly better on a per capita basis, just not the headcount.)

michigan is 51% test submitted. If test required, i suspect 75th percentile is under 1500 easy

PP. Even if Michigan's 75th percentile is 1500, it still has 2214 above 1500 whereas Harvard only has 1235 above 1500 assuming 100% submitted SAT at Harvard. Almost double. Again this is not to say that Michigan is better on a per capita basis. It has more 1500+ scorers than Harvard simply because it is gigantic.

Take a look at national merit scholars. https://www.nationalmerit.org/s/1758/images/gid2/editor_documents/annual_report.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&gid=2&pgid=61&sessionid=95e8c223-1c14-43e9-96d6-3fcd0d0626cc&cc=1

Harvard has 147. Michigan has 89.

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Anonymous wrote:Different poster at NYC private and Chicago routinely takes kids down to the middle of the class. It is the one top20 university that recognizes the rigor of our school and will take the kids who want prestige but don't have Ivy level grades. I know it is a very difficult admit from many publics but it serves this role at most top privates in DC, NYC, Chicago, etc.

This isn’t true.

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Still vastly overranks public’s especially the underfunded uc system. Until the undo the changes from two years ago, garbage in, garbage out.

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Anonymous wrote:Go UC Davis! California’s 5th best state school, with a 42% admit rate, is ranked #32 in the country.

How many times can a shark be jumped?

Well the 42% admit rate is really misleading. The admit rate is higher for OOS than instate like the other top UCs. The same geographic proxy measures used by other campuses are at play here. A top scoring student 3.9 UW, max AP/DE, top awards, top ECs and high scores is more likely to be rejected than admitted coming from the Bay Area or other urban, wealthy, high performing areas.

If you are out of state and have high stats this is a phenomenal target. If you are instate in an area similar to the DMV it’s still a lottery.

UC Davis has a strong in state FGLI component, my son’s urban HS, with a lot of Title 1 students, has kids admitted close to the publicized admission rate, while people have posted here anecdotally that students from their wealthier HS struggle to get admitted.

Agree that it is a great OOS target because of the balance between academics and a relaxed college town setting.

Davis is not a great OOD target. Doesn’t come close to being worth the cost of oos tuition.

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np it's pretty true for our nyc private. not down to top 50%, but top 1/3rd easily. Maybe top 40%. to be fair, quite common to be top half and have a 1550 and awards etc. And maybe only top half because of poor grades in Spanish and you're a STEM kid. In which case, I dont know why any college dings you. This is why I think GPA should be more overlooked by more schools. Chem major who gets Bs in history? Why is this such a disqualifier

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Anonymous wrote:Low lying ivy protagonists don’t comprehend…bottom 4 ivies are nothing to write home about.. WAKE UP doofuses!

They are 2 and 3 in best undergrad teaching, doofus. There’s also fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Low lying ivy protagonists don’t comprehend…bottom 4 ivies are nothing to write home about.. WAKE UP doofuses!

They are 2 and 3 in best undergrad teaching, doofus. There’s also fit.

+1 my kid chose over Hopkins. Didn’t want Baltimore and Chicago was a no-go.

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+1 People still can’t comprehend many do not decide a school solely on rankings. I also have a kid with several T10-T30 acceptances and didn’t choose the one in the T10. You have to enjoy it too.

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You can look at the Harvard Westlake data over the past 3 years.

Vandy admit rate 9%
Duke 9%
Princeton 9%
Notre Dame 7%
Hopkins 8%
And I could go on...

Chicago 30% admit rate, and 22% of the admittances had a 3.5 GPA or lower.

They have a different admission standard for private high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:You can look at the Harvard Westlake data over the past 3 years.

Vandy admit rate 9%
Duke 9%
Princeton 9%
Notre Dame 7%
Hopkins 8%
And I could go on...

Chicago 30% admit rate, and 22% of the admittances had a 3.5 GPA or lower.

They have a different admission standard for private high schools.

Sorry--the actual stat is that 22% of kids who applied with a 3.4-3.5 were admitted. Very similar to strong area privates.

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Anonymous wrote:np it's pretty true for our nyc private. not down to top 50%, but top 1/3rd easily. Maybe top 40%. to be fair, quite common to be top half and have a 1550 and awards etc. And maybe only top half because of poor grades in Spanish and you're a STEM kid. In which case, I dont know why any college dings you. This is why I think GPA should be more overlooked by more schools. Chem major who gets Bs in history? Why is this such a disqualifier

Because there are chem major kids at your own high school who didn't get the B's in history and top schools can't admit the entire class?

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Anonymous wrote:More importantly, the AP released its weekly college football poll. If we cross compare with the US News ranking, we can see that among the top universities, Vanderbilt is currently the bestest school in America. It goes

Vanderbilt
Michigan
Notre Dame

Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, UCLA and Cal are presently unranked. These are the eight high performing schools that really matter in modern America and the popular zeitgeist.

And we really should spend a moment to ponder the momentousness of Vanderbilt ranking higher than Michigan and Notre Dame in the only ranking that truly matters. A historic moment for sure.

If it weren't for the God awful new defense coordinator, ND would be in the top 10. Their defense went from one of the top in the country to one of the worst, with only a handful leaving for the NFL last year. Fire Chris Ash!

lol ND was overrated in preseason. Played two decent teams and lost. They thought they could pad schedule with cupcakes remainder of season if they got the two decent early season wins. This plan didn’t work out well. Decent season last year was a mirage. They should join a good conference like BIG.

Sure but they should be in the top ten if it weren't for the horrendous defensive coaching. PS they won't join a conference because they can afford not to. It's all about money, and they are swimming in it. Read it and weep.