ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

This is already happening? The ECNL showcase this weekend is up to U15 which are the non recruited age groups.
I like the idea of getting away from showcases and adding cups with strong RL teams is smart because that will attract more players to RL.

This won’t be a big change and aligning kids within their same grade U16 and up for showcases to me isn’t a big deal as showcases are meant for recruiting.

I don’t think clubs should or will force players up for league play as they want to be competitive and show how strong their teams are. Kids can always play up if they are capable and willing.

As long as results from showcases don’t matter I completely agree.

They do in ECNL not sure about GA

They do this year. It should be obvious but that would have to change if they were going to use GY for showcases sophomore year and up next year.

Nothing would change for league play, it would still be 8/1-7/31.

I find it hard to believe people would care a ton about exhibition showcases but my kids are aligned so I don't care much either way.

I highly doubt this would work.

Currently theres 3 levels at showcases. Mixing everyone together on the same teams would be 1/3 the amount of games. Assuming they stuck with the one game per day rule.

On top of that Sophmores would get screwed out of their recruitment opportunity when they're the players colleges coaches want to see the most.

I’m not understanding this.. please explain how sophomores are losing out.
I really don’t understand so break it down for me. Please and thank you.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

That’s who you are competing with for college spots.

League games are for competition first with some recruiting. Showcases are for recruiting only. They are not the same.

Parents when people tell you who they are listen to them.

The people that dont want a SY 8/1-7/31 rule that younger players play on a team with their grade. Don't want this because they know it will kill GY and players playing 1-2 years down on ECNL teams. They want club soccer to be like HS Soccer.

How is a 2010 player playing 2011 or 2012 in ECNL today?

You see them pushing for GY at showcases.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

What’s your purpose for playing in a showcase?

Did I pay for it?

If yes then the idea would be for my kid to play in front of college scouts.

I wouldn't want them to have to play against player 2 years older than they are in an event Im paying for.

Top college recruits can play against 2 years older and hold their own while showing quality over physicality

So players playing 2 years down at showcases is ok

but...

Players playing up 1-2 months isnt ok

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

This is already happening? The ECNL showcase this weekend is up to U15 which are the non recruited age groups.
I like the idea of getting away from showcases and adding cups with strong RL teams is smart because that will attract more players to RL.

This won’t be a big change and aligning kids within their same grade U16 and up for showcases to me isn’t a big deal as showcases are meant for recruiting.

I don’t think clubs should or will force players up for league play as they want to be competitive and show how strong their teams are. Kids can always play up if they are capable and willing.

As long as results from showcases don’t matter I completely agree.

They do in ECNL not sure about GA

They do this year. It should be obvious but that would have to change if they were going to use GY for showcases sophomore year and up next year.

Nothing would change for league play, it would still be 8/1-7/31.

I find it hard to believe people would care a ton about exhibition showcases but my kids are aligned so I don't care much either way.

I highly doubt this would work.

Currently theres 3 levels at showcases. Mixing everyone together on the same teams would be 1/3 the amount of games. Assuming they stuck with the one game per day rule.

On top of that Sophmores would get screwed out of their recruitment opportunity when they're the players colleges coaches want to see the most.

Sophomores would play together, juniors would play together, seniors would play together. That’s what GY sophomore year (when recruiting really starts) and up is.

I’m not advocating this, just explaining the rumor that someone posted earlier today.

If you add a rule to SY 8/1-7/31 that younger players must play on a team that's their grade in school. ALL games end up with players that are all one grade. It doesn't have to only be showcases where everyone on the field is the same grade and its easy to implement. This is important because recruiters dont just look at players at showcases. It might be a league game, or a tournamant, etc.

Recruiters are focused on Graduation Date and current performance plus future potential over the 4 years of college

Parents have created a non-existent problem that Recruiters are confused by BY

They know exactly who they want to recruit and where the player stands for graduation year.

No one said college coaches are confused by birth year only that college coaches have said that’s not the optimal recruiting format for their minimal time at showcases.

A showcase or two is not truly a priority for college recruiting
Recruiters have much more information on prospects than what happens at a singular showcase

You people think we showup at a showcase with a blank notebook and are looking for a Disney movie moment among hundreds of players?

I could see this being true. So why spend all this money traveling to play in showcases? Surely there are better ways to spend money and time to be recruited.

Are their people out here who hang their hat on showcases for their kid to get recruited? That can't be

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

MLS Next is the premier and real league for serious ambition players
This BY vs SY stuff is for the others

I guess, but their MLSN2 clubs are mostly RL level (sometimes better, sometimes lower) and they currently have no clue what age cut off they will use next year... It would be nice to prepare for either situation, since most of those clubs will have 90% of the club in SY teams/leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

This is already happening? The ECNL showcase this weekend is up to U15 which are the non recruited age groups.
I like the idea of getting away from showcases and adding cups with strong RL teams is smart because that will attract more players to RL.

This won’t be a big change and aligning kids within their same grade U16 and up for showcases to me isn’t a big deal as showcases are meant for recruiting.

I don’t think clubs should or will force players up for league play as they want to be competitive and show how strong their teams are. Kids can always play up if they are capable and willing.

As long as results from showcases don’t matter I completely agree.

They do in ECNL not sure about GA

They do this year. It should be obvious but that would have to change if they were going to use GY for showcases sophomore year and up next year.

Nothing would change for league play, it would still be 8/1-7/31.

I find it hard to believe people would care a ton about exhibition showcases but my kids are aligned so I don't care much either way.

I highly doubt this would work.

Currently theres 3 levels at showcases. Mixing everyone together on the same teams would be 1/3 the amount of games. Assuming they stuck with the one game per day rule.

On top of that Sophmores would get screwed out of their recruitment opportunity when they're the players colleges coaches want to see the most.

I’m not understanding this.. please explain how sophomores are losing out.
I really don’t understand so break it down for me. Please and thank you.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

That’s who you are competing with for college spots.

League games are for competition first with some recruiting. Showcases are for recruiting only. They are not the same.

Parents when people tell you who they are listen to them.

The people that dont want a SY 8/1-7/31 rule that younger players play on a team with their grade. Don't want this because they know it will kill GY and players playing 1-2 years down on ECNL teams. They want club soccer to be like HS Soccer.

How is a 2010 player playing 2011 or 2012 in ECNL today?

You see them pushing for GY at showcases.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

What’s your purpose for playing in a showcase?

Did I pay for it?

If yes then the idea would be for my kid to play in front of college scouts.

I wouldn't want them to have to play against player 2 years older than they are in an event Im paying for.

Top college recruits can play against 2 years older and hold their own while showing quality over physicality

So players playing 2 years down at showcases is ok

but...

Players playing up 1-2 months isnt ok

PP responded to the poster who is paranoid about their kid playing against older kids
They said a good player can play 2 years Up. Nothing about 2 years down

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

MLS Next is the premier and real league for serious ambition players
This BY vs SY stuff is for the others

I guess, but their MLSN2 clubs are mostly RL level (sometimes better, sometimes lower) and they currently have no clue what age cut off they will use next year... It would be nice to prepare for either situation, since most of those clubs will have 90% of the club in SY teams/leagues.

allegedly

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

This is already happening? The ECNL showcase this weekend is up to U15 which are the non recruited age groups.
I like the idea of getting away from showcases and adding cups with strong RL teams is smart because that will attract more players to RL.

This won’t be a big change and aligning kids within their same grade U16 and up for showcases to me isn’t a big deal as showcases are meant for recruiting.

I don’t think clubs should or will force players up for league play as they want to be competitive and show how strong their teams are. Kids can always play up if they are capable and willing.

As long as results from showcases don’t matter I completely agree.

They do in ECNL not sure about GA

They do this year. It should be obvious but that would have to change if they were going to use GY for showcases sophomore year and up next year.

Nothing would change for league play, it would still be 8/1-7/31.

I find it hard to believe people would care a ton about exhibition showcases but my kids are aligned so I don't care much either way.

I highly doubt this would work.

Currently theres 3 levels at showcases. Mixing everyone together on the same teams would be 1/3 the amount of games. Assuming they stuck with the one game per day rule.

On top of that Sophmores would get screwed out of their recruitment opportunity when they're the players colleges coaches want to see the most.

I’m not understanding this.. please explain how sophomores are losing out.
I really don’t understand so break it down for me. Please and thank you.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

That’s who you are competing with for college spots.

League games are for competition first with some recruiting. Showcases are for recruiting only. They are not the same.

Parents when people tell you who they are listen to them.

The people that dont want a SY 8/1-7/31 rule that younger players play on a team with their grade. Don't want this because they know it will kill GY and players playing 1-2 years down on ECNL teams. They want club soccer to be like HS Soccer.

How is a 2010 player playing 2011 or 2012 in ECNL today?

You see them pushing for GY at showcases.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

What’s your purpose for playing in a showcase?

Did I pay for it?

If yes then the idea would be for my kid to play in front of college scouts.

I wouldn't want them to have to play against player 2 years older than they are in an event Im paying for.

Top college recruits can play against 2 years older and hold their own while showing quality over physicality

So players playing 2 years down at showcases is ok

but...

Players playing up 1-2 months isnt ok

PP responded to the poster who is paranoid about their kid playing against older kids
They said a good player can play 2 years Up. Nothing about 2 years down

I believe they insinuated losers are holding back their kids to play 2 years down

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

MLS Next is the premier and real league for serious ambition players
This BY vs SY stuff is for the others

I guess, but their MLSN2 clubs are mostly RL level (sometimes better, sometimes lower) and they currently have no clue what age cut off they will use next year... It would be nice to prepare for either situation, since most of those clubs will have 90% of the club in SY teams/leagues.

allegedly

I'm not sure what you mean by allegedly? Their entire girls side will be in SY teams and leagues. Their U8-U12 boys side play in USYS leagues (SY, though I guess they could keep their teams BY and just play up), and their 2nd-4th teams all play USYS (again, SY going forward). At least the two MLSN2 clubs I know are like this... I guess the boys side could stay BY and just play up, but they really aren't good enough to do that and be very competitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

Maybe but why not come out and say it? Their member clubs don't even know what is going on. Seems odd to just let your customers hang like that...

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

MLS Next is the premier and real league for serious ambition players
This BY vs SY stuff is for the others

I guess, but their MLSN2 clubs are mostly RL level (sometimes better, sometimes lower) and they currently have no clue what age cut off they will use next year... It would be nice to prepare for either situation, since most of those clubs will have 90% of the club in SY teams/leagues.

allegedly

I'm not sure what you mean by allegedly? Their entire girls side will be in SY teams and leagues. Their U8-U12 boys side play in USYS leagues (SY, though I guess they could keep their teams BY and just play up), and their 2nd-4th teams all play USYS (again, SY going forward). At least the two MLSN2 clubs I know are like this... I guess the boys side could stay BY and just play up, but they really aren't good enough to do that and be very competitive.

All smoking mirrors that solves none of the real problems ailing the quality of youth soccer in our country

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

This is already happening? The ECNL showcase this weekend is up to U15 which are the non recruited age groups.
I like the idea of getting away from showcases and adding cups with strong RL teams is smart because that will attract more players to RL.

This won’t be a big change and aligning kids within their same grade U16 and up for showcases to me isn’t a big deal as showcases are meant for recruiting.

I don’t think clubs should or will force players up for league play as they want to be competitive and show how strong their teams are. Kids can always play up if they are capable and willing.

As long as results from showcases don’t matter I completely agree.

They do in ECNL not sure about GA

They do this year. It should be obvious but that would have to change if they were going to use GY for showcases sophomore year and up next year.

Nothing would change for league play, it would still be 8/1-7/31.

I find it hard to believe people would care a ton about exhibition showcases but my kids are aligned so I don't care much either way.

I highly doubt this would work.

Currently theres 3 levels at showcases. Mixing everyone together on the same teams would be 1/3 the amount of games. Assuming they stuck with the one game per day rule.

On top of that Sophmores would get screwed out of their recruitment opportunity when they're the players colleges coaches want to see the most.

I’m not understanding this.. please explain how sophomores are losing out.
I really don’t understand so break it down for me. Please and thank you.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

That’s who you are competing with for college spots.

League games are for competition first with some recruiting. Showcases are for recruiting only. They are not the same.

Parents when people tell you who they are listen to them.

The people that dont want a SY 8/1-7/31 rule that younger players play on a team with their grade. Don't want this because they know it will kill GY and players playing 1-2 years down on ECNL teams. They want club soccer to be like HS Soccer.

How is a 2010 player playing 2011 or 2012 in ECNL today?

You see them pushing for GY at showcases.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

FFS, there are no girls soccer players being held back two years to compete. Get a grip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

I believe the MLS next plan is to do what they want to do
Who are they going to change to suit?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

MLS Next is the premier and real league for serious ambition players
This BY vs SY stuff is for the others

I guess, but their MLSN2 clubs are mostly RL level (sometimes better, sometimes lower) and they currently have no clue what age cut off they will use next year... It would be nice to prepare for either situation, since most of those clubs will have 90% of the club in SY teams/leagues.

allegedly

I'm not sure what you mean by allegedly? Their entire girls side will be in SY teams and leagues. Their U8-U12 boys side play in USYS leagues (SY, though I guess they could keep their teams BY and just play up), and their 2nd-4th teams all play USYS (again, SY going forward). At least the two MLSN2 clubs I know are like this... I guess the boys side could stay BY and just play up, but they really aren't good enough to do that and be very competitive.

All smoking mirrors that solves none of the real problems ailing the quality of youth soccer in our country

True. But still happening.

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Anonymous wrote:So talking with a friend of mine at the ECNL showcase this weekend. Also I’ll say he told me last summer at surf cup about the age change that was coming and has some very reliable people that he knows. Here is the info I got. It sounds like the Aug hater might get their way and kids will play within their grade within the new 12 month window.
Well sort of…

According to him ECNL is most likely breaking into 3 different groups. Youngers U10-12 and U13-15 and older recruiting ages U16,17,19.
U10-15 will no longer play showcases but will have various cups throughout the year with divisions and tournament champions. Strong RL teams will be invited to these as well.

U10-15 will be based only off the Aug to July 12 month window. However U16/17 will be based off players grades between that 12 month window. So some kids will be pushed up for showcases so they will play against kids within their same grade. League play is still tbd. He didn’t know for sure.
U19 will be for any player who is a senior in high school, age will not matter as long as they are under 19 at the start their club season.

He also has more questions than answers at this point but this is what’s being discussed by ECNL/US Club admin team.

This is already happening? The ECNL showcase this weekend is up to U15 which are the non recruited age groups.
I like the idea of getting away from showcases and adding cups with strong RL teams is smart because that will attract more players to RL.

This won’t be a big change and aligning kids within their same grade U16 and up for showcases to me isn’t a big deal as showcases are meant for recruiting.

I don’t think clubs should or will force players up for league play as they want to be competitive and show how strong their teams are. Kids can always play up if they are capable and willing.

As long as results from showcases don’t matter I completely agree.

They do in ECNL not sure about GA

They do this year. It should be obvious but that would have to change if they were going to use GY for showcases sophomore year and up next year.

Nothing would change for league play, it would still be 8/1-7/31.

I find it hard to believe people would care a ton about exhibition showcases but my kids are aligned so I don't care much either way.

I highly doubt this would work.

Currently theres 3 levels at showcases. Mixing everyone together on the same teams would be 1/3 the amount of games. Assuming they stuck with the one game per day rule.

On top of that Sophmores would get screwed out of their recruitment opportunity when they're the players colleges coaches want to see the most.

I’m not understanding this.. please explain how sophomores are losing out.
I really don’t understand so break it down for me. Please and thank you.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

That’s who you are competing with for college spots.

League games are for competition first with some recruiting. Showcases are for recruiting only. They are not the same.

Parents when people tell you who they are listen to them.

The people that dont want a SY 8/1-7/31 rule that younger players play on a team with their grade. Don't want this because they know it will kill GY and players playing 1-2 years down on ECNL teams. They want club soccer to be like HS Soccer.

How is a 2010 player playing 2011 or 2012 in ECNL today?

You see them pushing for GY at showcases.

It all depends on how GY showcases are defined. If its purely by grade only what will happen is parents will hold their kid back in school usually up to 2x. This will make them an 18 year old Sophmore. In league games they'd need to play on the u18/u19 team but at showcases they could play on the Sophmore u16 and u17 team.

Do you want holdbacks that are 2 years older than your kid playing with /against them at showcases?

FFS, there are no girls soccer players being held back two years to compete. Get a grip.

Have you read this thread?

Theres parents that are overjoyed that their Aug birthday can can play on a grade down team.

If the rules holding back cheaters aee removed parents will cheat.