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Anonymous wrote:Just got the email from the AART at my son's school - he's been accepted for full-time AAP on appeal! Haven't gotten the email from the AAP office with the acceptance link yet, so maybe that will come later in the week.

Congratulations to you and your son. That's a happy outcome.
Our AART told us they will inform about the subject specific/part time AAP decisions this week.

A couple yrs ago, we received notification from our AART that my DC was declined level 3 part time AAP (approved level 2) on Thursday, and then received notification on Friday that she got in on appeal for full-time AAP. Further evidence that our local committee had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

I could have written this a few years ago. Our AART and principal were adamant that my second grader was no more than level 2. Got into AAP on appeal a few days later and scoring 99th percentile on all these exams ever since. These AARTs have no idea. And this was at one of the elementary schools this board considers well-regarded.

Shit yes same. I was so happy the appeals process didn’t involve our useless AART. And yes. Here we are, scoring pass advanced on the SOLs and absolutely thriving at our center.

This is not directed at your child and their need for AAP, but scoring Pass Advanced on SOLs is not an indicator that a child needs AAP.

Lots of lowly gen ed kids also pass advance, despite not getting the extra pbl

DP. Honestly, this speaks poorly of the efficacy of the AAP program. In theory, the kids selected start out more advanced and are more gifted than the kids who weren't selected. They are then given a stronger peer group and access to more advanced materials, while the top gen ed kids are largely ignored. In middle school, they theoretically get more rigorous courses. If the AAP program were at all effective, then the AAP kids, with all of their extra nurturing, should be leaps and bounds ahead of the bright gen ed kids. But this largely isn't the case.

SOLs are a low and inconsistent bar, but one would think that if an AAP kid, after benefitting from the stronger class environment, more advanced materials, and more teacher attention earns the same SOL score as a bright gen ed kid, who was denied access to all of the same, the gen ed kid is more "worthy" of being in AAP than the AAP kid.

For many reasons there are many kids in gen ed who are fully interchangeable with the kids in the aap classroom.... I've yet to see a good explanation yet for why

Because the program is too large so the edges get blurry. Reduce it back to a truer gifted program - 5 percent or so - and that will be less of an issue.

It’s not really a case of the edges being blurry. It’s a consequence of selecting based on “vibes” rather than objective metrics. It’s why there are kids who are objectively advanced in all subjects getting rejected and other kids who aren’t advanced in anything getting in.

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It’s not really a case of the edges being blurry. It’s a consequence of selecting based on “vibes” rather than objective metrics. It’s why there are kids who are objectively advanced in all subjects getting rejected and other kids who aren’t advanced in anything getting in.


This. This is why I was disappointed my child didn't get in. They require these kids to do these tests, they do well, and they don't weight the objective information over the subjective HOPE scores. In science, we rely on the objective information validated by more objective information. If the subjective data/information supports the objective, even better, but don't rely on the subjective over the objective and expect people to not scratch their heads.

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It’s not really a case of the edges being blurry. It’s a consequence of selecting based on “vibes” rather than objective metrics. It’s why there are kids who are objectively advanced in all subjects getting rejected and other kids who aren’t advanced in anything getting in.

This. This is why I was disappointed my child didn't get in. They require these kids to do these tests, they do well, and they don't weight the objective information over the subjective HOPE scores. In science, we rely on the objective information validated by more objective information. If the subjective data/information supports the objective, even better, but don't rely on the subjective over the objective and expect people to not scratch their heads.

Many school systems have achievement/aptitude test thresholds, where kids exceeding them are automatically admitted. The teacher recommendation and portfolio reviews are only used to admit additional kids into the program who did not meet the thresholds. This would be the most rational way for FCPS to run its program, as well, since it would cut down on unnecessary packet creation and reviews for kids who deserve to be in, but still give a chance to the kids who are performing well in the classroom but not testing especially well. I doubt FCPS would ever do this, since it would make it more difficult for them to meet their target demographics for the program.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got the email from the AART at my son's school - he's been accepted for full-time AAP on appeal! Haven't gotten the email from the AAP office with the acceptance link yet, so maybe that will come later in the week.

Congratulations to you and your son. That's a happy outcome.
Our AART told us they will inform about the subject specific/part time AAP decisions this week.

A couple yrs ago, we received notification from our AART that my DC was declined level 3 part time AAP (approved level 2) on Thursday, and then received notification on Friday that she got in on appeal for full-time AAP. Further evidence that our local committee had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

I could have written this a few years ago. Our AART and principal were adamant that my second grader was no more than level 2. Got into AAP on appeal a few days later and scoring 99th percentile on all these exams ever since. These AARTs have no idea. And this was at one of the elementary schools this board considers well-regarded.

Shit yes same. I was so happy the appeals process didn’t involve our useless AART. And yes. Here we are, scoring pass advanced on the SOLs and absolutely thriving at our center.

This is not directed at your child and their need for AAP, but scoring Pass Advanced on SOLs is not an indicator that a child needs AAP.

Lots of lowly gen ed kids also pass advance, despite not getting the extra pbl

DP. Honestly, this speaks poorly of the efficacy of the AAP program. In theory, the kids selected start out more advanced and are more gifted than the kids who weren't selected. They are then given a stronger peer group and access to more advanced materials, while the top gen ed kids are largely ignored. In middle school, they theoretically get more rigorous courses. If the AAP program were at all effective, then the AAP kids, with all of their extra nurturing, should be leaps and bounds ahead of the bright gen ed kids. But this largely isn't the case.

SOLs are a low and inconsistent bar, but one would think that if an AAP kid, after benefitting from the stronger class environment, more advanced materials, and more teacher attention earns the same SOL score as a bright gen ed kid, who was denied access to all of the same, the gen ed kid is more "worthy" of being in AAP than the AAP kid.

For many reasons there are many kids in gen ed who are fully interchangeable with the kids in the aap classroom.... I've yet to see a good explanation yet for why

Because the program is too large so the edges get blurry. Reduce it back to a truer gifted program - 5 percent or so - and that will be less of an issue.

It’s not really a case of the edges being blurry. It’s a consequence of selecting based on “vibes” rather than objective metrics. It’s why there are kids who are objectively advanced in all subjects getting rejected and other kids who aren’t advanced in anything getting in.

There aren't metrics to show which kids are objectively advanced in all subjects for 2nd grade. There are metrics to show that some kids are objectively advanced in *some* areas.

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Just received appeal decision. Kid is in.

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Same here. Got our decision just now. Eligible. Happy about it. Thanks to everyone who provided your experience, suggestions and advice. Truly appreciate them.

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Not in and pretty bummed about it.

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Anonymous wrote:High SES school where I know of several in-pool that did not get in. My kid had "always" checked off on all 11 HOPE questions. mix of test results. some 99% another below 90%. Did not get in. Took the WISC-V. Scored 135 (99%tile). Not sure if should appeal.

Thank you to everyone who opined and suggested to submit an appeal. I submitted an appeal on the deadline and kid was found eligible!

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Not in, not bummed. Will try again next year and hope for PT.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in, not bummed. Will try again next year and hope for PT.

Do you know when they are going to announce for PT?

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Anonymous wrote:Not in, not bummed. Will try again next year and hope for PT.

Do you know when they are going to announce for PT?

Our AART told us end of school year.

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We got our PT letter yesterday

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Anonymous wrote:Just got the email from the AART at my son's school - he's been accepted for full-time AAP on appeal! Haven't gotten the email from the AAP office with the acceptance link yet, so maybe that will come later in the week.

Do you mind sharing stats and/or pyramid?

Sure! Lord knows I poured over enough of these posts looking for the same info from others.

2nd grade
McLean HS Pyramid
Fall MAP RIT score 207 (most recent MAP 229, but I don't think that would've been considered - that testing date was after I submitted the appeals packet).
NGAT 133 (119 verbal, 132 nonverbal, 126 quantitative)
WISC-V FSIQ 136 (142 VCI, 126 VSI, 131 FRI; 107 WMI, 116 PSI)
HOPE Scores - 1 Sometimes, 4 Often, 5 Almost Always, 1 Always. Exceptional talent boxes marked for Math, Science, and Reading.
AuDHD with an IEP

I submitted 3 new work samples; 1 was a dictation (I typed up as he talked) where he detailed an original space travel idea of his, 1 was a dictation regarding Greek mythology and character motivations, and 1 was a photo of something he'd built along with a typed description of how he built it and his understanding of how it works.

Hope this helps someone else!

Correction. The email I received earlier this week from the AART was in error, and kiddo was not deemed eligible on appeal after all. Extremely frustrating position to be in, but I’m grateful that we hadn’t talked to our son about it at all yet, so he happily is unaware of any of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Just got the email from the AART at my son's school - he's been accepted for full-time AAP on appeal! Haven't gotten the email from the AAP office with the acceptance link yet, so maybe that will come later in the week.

Do you mind sharing stats and/or pyramid?

Sure! Lord knows I poured over enough of these posts looking for the same info from others.

2nd grade
McLean HS Pyramid
Fall MAP RIT score 207 (most recent MAP 229, but I don't think that would've been considered - that testing date was after I submitted the appeals packet).
NGAT 133 (119 verbal, 132 nonverbal, 126 quantitative)
WISC-V FSIQ 136 (142 VCI, 126 VSI, 131 FRI; 107 WMI, 116 PSI)
HOPE Scores - 1 Sometimes, 4 Often, 5 Almost Always, 1 Always. Exceptional talent boxes marked for Math, Science, and Reading.
AuDHD with an IEP

I submitted 3 new work samples; 1 was a dictation (I typed up as he talked) where he detailed an original space travel idea of his, 1 was a dictation regarding Greek mythology and character motivations, and 1 was a photo of something he'd built along with a typed description of how he built it and his understanding of how it works.

Hope this helps someone else!

Correction. The email I received earlier this week from the AART was in error, and kiddo was not deemed eligible on appeal after all. Extremely frustrating position to be in, but I’m grateful that we hadn’t talked to our son about it at all yet, so he happily is unaware of any of this.

Wow that's cruel.. wishing your kiddo to thrive no matter what!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just got the email from the AART at my son's school - he's been accepted for full-time AAP on appeal! Haven't gotten the email from the AAP office with the acceptance link yet, so maybe that will come later in the week.

Do you mind sharing stats and/or pyramid?

Sure! Lord knows I poured over enough of these posts looking for the same info from others.

2nd grade
McLean HS Pyramid
Fall MAP RIT score 207 (most recent MAP 229, but I don't think that would've been considered - that testing date was after I submitted the appeals packet).
NGAT 133 (119 verbal, 132 nonverbal, 126 quantitative)
WISC-V FSIQ 136 (142 VCI, 126 VSI, 131 FRI; 107 WMI, 116 PSI)
HOPE Scores - 1 Sometimes, 4 Often, 5 Almost Always, 1 Always. Exceptional talent boxes marked for Math, Science, and Reading.
AuDHD with an IEP

I submitted 3 new work samples; 1 was a dictation (I typed up as he talked) where he detailed an original space travel idea of his, 1 was a dictation regarding Greek mythology and character motivations, and 1 was a photo of something he'd built along with a typed description of how he built it and his understanding of how it works.

Hope this helps someone else!

Correction. The email I received earlier this week from the AART was in error, and kiddo was not deemed eligible on appeal after all. Extremely frustrating position to be in, but I’m grateful that we hadn’t talked to our son about it at all yet, so he happily is unaware of any of this.

That’s horrible. I’m so sorry.