Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC

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Anonymous wrote:So no more special education, no more FAFSA, no more Pell Grants.

I guess the goal is to keep everyone stupid and poor.

This...remember Trump said if I was going to run I'd run as a republican those people believe anything. Yes he did he also said he loves stupid supporters-he has them all clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a former Virginian and live in Lenexa, KS - a “red” state. Trust me, we’ll do just fine if we eliminated all payments to DC to get back back funding, but with certain strings attached.

This really shouldn’t even be a political thing. My great grandmother was educated in a log cabin with a slate and chalk tablet and sharing books. She read and studied insatiably and was very well educated.

Your great grandmother was the exception, not the rule.

Lack of education leads to higher crime. Enjoy that, I guess.

Only because you think schools and teachers should be playing a role that properly belongs to families and parents. Enough outsourcing of child rearing!

Oh yeah, especially when your role model is Trump and the parents that voted for him. Don't complain when they come grabbing you by the pussy.

Yup a cabinet full of cheaters, divorcees, and oh pedophiles are now in charge. Matt Gatez as the attorney general-it's like reading the onion every day all day in this shi#hole country. SNL doesn't even need their writers anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:If you get out of D.C., most Americans broadly agree that Federal bureaucracy is bloated and burdensome. Its sprawl contributes substantially both to our budget deficit, which in turn drives our debt up, crowding out capital for private investment which would in turn drive productivity. At the same time, the larger bureaucracy gets, the more things it sticks its nose into things to feel busy, which likewise drives productivity down. DoE is probably the worst. It is very new (Carter Administration) and our national education performance has plummeted since its inception. There is no evidence that it is effective at doing anything other than increasing local district workloads and stifling educational innovation, and it costs a lot of money. At this point, elimination would at worst be a natural experiment that fails; our education can't get much worse. At best we will see a renaissance as local schools innovate and best practices are unearthed. I understand that many D.C. residents are terrified at what this and other moves will do to our local economy, but nationally, there is broad support for this. It's not hard to see why.

Sigh. So much incorrect information. Let's start with this does nothing to local DC economy. He wants you to believe that so that when we tell you this move is a mistake, you think we are acting out of self interest for our economy. We're not. Our economy will be just fine one way or the other. You are allowing yourself to be manipulated.

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To be fair closing the department of education is not the end of the world. Wasn't this department created in the 70s anyways? Some ita functions can be transfered to other departments. For example student loans can be transfered to treasury. Education specific functions can be transfered to other departments as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

Then you might ask states to start experimenting with fully funding their states education instead of cutting from its first. I guess people convenient have forgotten the Red for Ed protest/strikes that teachers had to wage to get a livable wage.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Will this get rid of "no child left behind"?

How do you define NCLB in 2024?

NCLB expired in 2015. It exists in an extremely watered down version through ESSA. This means that the federal government doesn't hold schools accountable in any meaningful way.

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind

The DOE does in fact mandate a LOT of requirements. The Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA) is really burdensome to states because it requires them to develop complex accountability systems that go beyond just standardized test scores, while still holding them responsible for student achievement across diverse student subgroups, placing significant administrative pressure on state education departments and requiring them to invest resources in data collection, analysis, and reporting to meet federal requirements, even with a degree of flexibility in how they implement the law.

All that money that states spend on ESSA should be directly spent on students. Not all the administrators needed to implement this law.

Are you advocating for the federal government to just give out money without understanding how it is spent or what is working? States are free to not receive federal money if they find the accountability too burdensome.

Not OP, but I'm advocating for the feds to stop wasting money on "education" and let states experiment. All the federal dollars have not improved outcomes, so why keep throwing good money after bad, especially with a huge debt.

The truth is that about half of kids should stop math after 8th grade. There's no point teaching algebra to stupid people. We only lack the courage to test the kids and separate the smart from stupid.

I have yet to see much positive come out of states experimenting - Florida abandoned conventional sex ed and taught abstinence-only and teenage pregnancy rates spiked. We've seen red states teach a completely revisionist version of the Civil War which completely denies that slavery had anything to do with it.

It's also amazing how people who say "you don't need to go to college, you can make good money in the trades" suggesting not teaching algebra in high school. Algebra and geometry are actually pretty important in many of the trades, like calculating the materials you will need for a job, figuring out angles to make things fit and so on. Sure, you could be an uneducated "helper" working for a plumber or electrician or whatever else, but that's not where the money in the trades is, and you'll never be able to be that successful in the trades without having enough literacy and math skills to be able to do things like read a building code, being able to size the components you need based on calculations, being able to read a blueprint and work up a bill of materials from it and so on.

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I'd love more of this defund agency X goodness, and a lot less of Matt Gaetz and Tulsi Gabbard.

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Based on the sorry lot of evil halfwits being tapped by Trump for positions of power I assume there will be so much brain drain from every agency and every branch of the military that pretty much any one could be shuttered.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the DoEd's inception, US school test scores have consistently declined. Send the power back to the people. Not a gov mandated curriculum.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the DoEd's inception, US school test scores have consistently declined. Send the power back to the people. Not a gov mandated curriculum.

This.

We cracked the atom, landed on the moon, and became the largest most dynamic economy on the planet all before the educational labor establishment incorporated their lobbying team in the DoEd. It’s entirely a captured special interest operation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since the DoEd's inception, US school test scores have consistently declined. Send the power back to the people. Not a gov mandated curriculum.

This.

We cracked the atom, landed on the moon, and became the largest most dynamic economy on the planet all before the educational labor establishment incorporated their lobbying team in the DoEd. It’s entirely a captured special interest operation.

We also score below most developed countries in math, science, and reading. We could not currently function as a country without the brain drain from countries without Departments of Education. My company grabs every Ukrainian refugee they can find because they are much better educated and have more current tech knowledge. After World War II, my grandfather and his three brothers -- who never would have had access to any higher education -- used the GI to study engineering. All worked for big companies. My father and many of his cousins went into either engineering, math, economics, computer science or similar "hard" fields. So far the college kids in the family are taking sports management, communications, English, teaching, and general studies.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a former Virginian and live in Lenexa, KS - a “red” state. Trust me, we’ll do just fine if we eliminated all payments to DC to get back back funding, but with certain strings attached.

This really shouldn’t even be a political thing. My great grandmother was educated in a log cabin with a slate and chalk tablet and sharing books. She read and studied insatiably and was very well educated.

This is the plan. The poor will have log cabin schools and the wealthy will have tutors from England.

Comment of the year.

Oh my goodness yes. What would those rubes do without us and of course we need to do very well as we help them. It’s only our right!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since the DoEd's inception, US school test scores have consistently declined. Send the power back to the people. Not a gov mandated curriculum.

This.

We cracked the atom, landed on the moon, and became the largest most dynamic economy on the planet all before the educational labor establishment incorporated their lobbying team in the DoEd. It’s entirely a captured special interest operation.

We also score below most developed countries in math, science, and reading. We could not currently function as a country without the brain drain from countries without Departments of Education. My company grabs every Ukrainian refugee they can find because they are much better educated and have more current tech knowledge. After World War II, my grandfather and his three brothers -- who never would have had access to any higher education -- used the GI to study engineering. All worked for big companies. My father and many of his cousins went into either engineering, math, economics, computer science or similar "hard" fields. So far the college kids in the family are taking sports management, communications, English, teaching, and general studies.

All the good stuff you cite happened before the creation of the department and the bad after. Hmm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the DoEd's inception, US school test scores have consistently declined. Send the power back to the people. Not a gov mandated curriculum.

This.

We cracked the atom, landed on the moon, and became the largest most dynamic economy on the planet all before the educational labor establishment incorporated their lobbying team in the DoEd. It’s entirely a captured special interest operation.

We also score below most developed countries in math, science, and reading. We could not currently function as a country without the brain drain from countries without Departments of Education. My company grabs every Ukrainian refugee they can find because they are much better educated and have more current tech knowledge. After World War II, my grandfather and his three brothers -- who never would have had access to any higher education -- used the GI to study engineering. All worked for big companies. My father and many of his cousins went into either engineering, math, economics, computer science or similar "hard" fields. So far the college kids in the family are taking sports management, communications, English, teaching, and general studies.

Our kids have incredibly low attention spans and we have a wide range of levels in one class to educate to. A pre WWII classroom would have been kids at a chalkboard in rows, which has been railed against by education policy makers. Any teacher can tell you that keeping kids engaged and behaving is the first battle, which is difficult when their attention spans are shot.

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Anonymous wrote:If you get out of D.C., most Americans broadly agree that Federal bureaucracy is bloated and burdensome. Its sprawl contributes substantially both to our budget deficit, which in turn drives our debt up, crowding out capital for private investment which would in turn drive productivity. At the same time, the larger bureaucracy gets, the more things it sticks its nose into things to feel busy, which likewise drives productivity down. DoE is probably the worst. It is very new (Carter Administration) and our national education performance has plummeted since its inception. There is no evidence that it is effective at doing anything other than increasing local district workloads and stifling educational innovation, and it costs a lot of money. At this point, elimination would at worst be a natural experiment that fails; our education can't get much worse. At best we will see a renaissance as local schools innovate and best practices are unearthed. I understand that many D.C. residents are terrified at what this and other moves will do to our local economy, but nationally, there is broad support for this. It's not hard to see why.

Sigh. So much incorrect information. Let's start with this does nothing to local DC economy. He wants you to believe that so that when we tell you this move is a mistake, you think we are acting out of self interest for our economy. We're not. Our economy will be just fine one way or the other. You are allowing yourself to be manipulated.

So says a professional manipulator from the edu-industrial lobby complex.