Redshirting August boy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Redshirting is most commonly practiced by white UMC boys. That’s how i know it’s beneficial, the most socially powerful group engages in it and now that same group is trying to gaslight people to look the other way so that they can maintain the unfair playing field.

Come back and talk to me when you stop moving to the “good” school district, pull your child from private school, and stop paying for outside enrichment

This is what I despise about DCUMs anti-redshirters. They are absolutely entitled and rank hypocrites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Redshirting is most commonly practiced by white UMC boys. That’s how i know it’s beneficial, the most socially powerful group engages in it and now that same group is trying to gaslight people to look the other way so that they can maintain the unfair playing field.

Thank you, NP!

And no one hysterical, just pointing out the fact that when summer bdays redshirt to gain and advantage/lose a disadvantage they are making the next in line take the role- April and May kids.

I dont have an April/ May kid but this is still a fact. You could just own it and move on rather than try to rationalize.

You are hysterical and your fact exists only in your head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Redshirting is most commonly practiced by white UMC boys. That’s how i know it’s beneficial, the most socially powerful group engages in it and now that same group is trying to gaslight people to look the other way so that they can maintain the unfair playing field.

Thank you, NP!

And no one hysterical, just pointing out the fact that when summer bdays redshirt to gain and advantage/lose a disadvantage they are making the next in line take the role- April and May kids.

I dont have an April/ May kid but this is still a fact. You could just own it and move on rather than try to rationalize.

A kid who is 5 years and 4 months starting kindergarten vs a kid who is still 4 until his birthday 8/30 when he turns 5 has a humongous advantage. At that age months matter. As the kids age, months matter much less. Which is why this evens out by 3rd/4th grade. And it's telling you don't even have any skin in this game. it's almost like you have no understanding of childhood development whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Redshirting is most commonly practiced by white UMC boys. That’s how i know it’s beneficial, the most socially powerful group engages in it and now that same group is trying to gaslight people to look the other way so that they can maintain the unfair playing field.

Thank you, NP!

And no one hysterical, just pointing out the fact that when summer bdays redshirt to gain and advantage/lose a disadvantage they are making the next in line take the role- April and May kids.

I dont have an April/ May kid but this is still a fact. You could just own it and move on rather than try to rationalize.

You are hysterical and your fact exists only in your head.

How is it not a fact that when the summer bdays redshirt the Apr/May become the youngest?

[Anonymous]

This thread made Jeff’s awesome daily blog. I think he has it on the nose:

The most active thread yesterday was titled, "Redshirting August boy?" and posted in the "Private/Independent Schools". The thread might be better suited for the "Schools and Education General Discussion" forum since the topic is not necessarily specific to private schools. Nevertheless, the original poster is considering redshirting her son who has a late August birthday and would be the youngest in his class. For those who are unfamiliar with the term, "redshirting" refers to having a child repeat a grade of school. Redshirting is a controversial topic on DCUM with a few posters absolutely obsessed with the issue. While the practice has traditionally been used to accomodate children with late birthdays or who may lag somewhat behind their peers in learning or maturity, some parents suspect that it is used to give unfair advantages to children who otherwise don't need to repeat a year. In the dog eat dog world of alpha parents whose entire self-value is tied to the academic and athletic achievements of their children, the thought of a rival child obtaining an advantage through redshirting is more than they can countenance. In less than 24 hours, this thread reached a whopping 23 pages, none of which I've read. I've seen enough of these threads to know that they offer little more than a depressing view into the perception of some parents that education is a zero-sum game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Redshirting is most commonly practiced by white UMC boys. That’s how i know it’s beneficial, the most socially powerful group engages in it and now that same group is trying to gaslight people to look the other way so that they can maintain the unfair playing field.

Thank you, NP!

And no one hysterical, just pointing out the fact that when summer bdays redshirt to gain and advantage/lose a disadvantage they are making the next in line take the role- April and May kids.

I dont have an April/ May kid but this is still a fact. You could just own it and move on rather than try to rationalize.

You are hysterical and your fact exists only in your head.

How is it not a fact that when the summer bdays redshirt the Apr/May become the youngest?

Because every summer birthday doesn't redshirt. There will always be kids who start on time because that's what was best for them.

[Anonymous]

Reposting this because the poster asking for data conveniently ignored it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604978/0209_CarolineSharp_et_al_RelativeAgeReviewRevised.pdf

THE YOUNGEST KIDS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reposting this because the poster asking for data conveniently ignored it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604978/0209_CarolineSharp_et_al_RelativeAgeReviewRevised.pdf

THE YOUNGEST KIDS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE!

So what will the schools do to make sure NOBODY is ever the youngest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread made Jeff’s awesome daily blog. I think he has it on the nose:

The most active thread yesterday was titled, "Redshirting August boy?" and posted in the "Private/Independent Schools". The thread might be better suited for the "Schools and Education General Discussion" forum since the topic is not necessarily specific to private schools. Nevertheless, the original poster is considering redshirting her son who has a late August birthday and would be the youngest in his class. For those who are unfamiliar with the term, "redshirting" refers to having a child repeat a grade of school. Redshirting is a controversial topic on DCUM with a few posters absolutely obsessed with the issue. While the practice has traditionally been used to accomodate children with late birthdays or who may lag somewhat behind their peers in learning or maturity, some parents suspect that it is used to give unfair advantages to children who otherwise don't need to repeat a year. In the dog eat dog world of alpha parents whose entire self-value is tied to the academic and athletic achievements of their children, the thought of a rival child obtaining an advantage through redshirting is more than they can countenance. In less than 24 hours, this thread reached a whopping 23 pages, none of which I've read. I've seen enough of these threads to know that they offer little more than a depressing view into the perception of some parents that education is a zero-sum game.

I love Jeff’s summary! Thanks for sharing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reposting this because the poster asking for data conveniently ignored it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604978/0209_CarolineSharp_et_al_RelativeAgeReviewRevised.pdf

THE YOUNGEST KIDS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE!

So what will the schools do to make sure NOBODY is ever the youngest?

Reduce the age cohort age range from 12 months to 6 months in the younger school years. Someone will still be the youngest but all the evidence based disadvantages from relative age affect disappear with such a narrow age gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reposting this because the poster asking for data conveniently ignored it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604978/0209_CarolineSharp_et_al_RelativeAgeReviewRevised.pdf

THE YOUNGEST KIDS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE!

So what will the schools do to make sure NOBODY is ever the youngest?

Reduce the age cohort age range from 12 months to 6 months in the younger school years. Someone will still be the youngest but all the evidence based disadvantages from relative age affect disappear with such a narrow age gap.

But until then….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reposting this because the poster asking for data conveniently ignored it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604978/0209_CarolineSharp_et_al_RelativeAgeReviewRevised.pdf

THE YOUNGEST KIDS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE!

The specific harms of redshirting was the data that was requested, and still not provided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reposting this because the poster asking for data conveniently ignored it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/604978/0209_CarolineSharp_et_al_RelativeAgeReviewRevised.pdf

THE YOUNGEST KIDS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE!

So what will the schools do to make sure NOBODY is ever the youngest?

Reduce the age cohort age range from 12 months to 6 months in the younger school years. Someone will still be the youngest but all the evidence based disadvantages from relative age affect disappear with such a narrow age gap.

The better option is to make wide age bands, like they do in the Netherlands, which is the only country where the relative age and ADHD link is not found.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread made Jeff’s awesome daily blog. I think he has it on the nose:

The most active thread yesterday was titled, "Redshirting August boy?" and posted in the "Private/Independent Schools". The thread might be better suited for the "Schools and Education General Discussion" forum since the topic is not necessarily specific to private schools. Nevertheless, the original poster is considering redshirting her son who has a late August birthday and would be the youngest in his class. For those who are unfamiliar with the term, "redshirting" refers to having a child repeat a grade of school. Redshirting is a controversial topic on DCUM with a few posters absolutely obsessed with the issue. While the practice has traditionally been used to accomodate children with late birthdays or who may lag somewhat behind their peers in learning or maturity, some parents suspect that it is used to give unfair advantages to children who otherwise don't need to repeat a year. In the dog eat dog world of alpha parents whose entire self-value is tied to the academic and athletic achievements of their children, the thought of a rival child obtaining an advantage through redshirting is more than they can countenance. In less than 24 hours, this thread reached a whopping 23 pages, none of which I've read. I've seen enough of these threads to know that they offer little more than a depressing view into the perception of some parents that education is a zero-sum game.

I love Jeff’s summary! Thanks for sharing

It is great. This sentence is so accurate in particular:

In the dog eat dog world of alpha parents whose entire self-value is tied to the academic and athletic achievements of their children, the thought of a rival child obtaining an advantage through redshirting is more than they can countenance.

[Anonymous]

Until then cluster. Group the 4-5 year old greenshirts from the 5-6 redshirts. African-American kids are the most likely group to Greenshirt likely due to the intersection with poverty and parents needing free childcare ASAP.